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OfflineLearyfanS
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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Minstrel]
    #7682887 - 11/26/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck bro.









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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Learyfan]
    #7683078 - 11/26/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
    #7688342 - 11/27/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well while we're at it...


can we take back the rainbow from the gays?

i mean seriously... come on... rainbows were cool. they shouldnt represent butt secks??


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: kake]
    #7688345 - 11/27/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I want to take back the 'hitler mustache' as well.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: kake]
    #7688348 - 11/27/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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kake said:
can we take back the rainbow from the gays?



Meanwhile, can we also take back the word "gay"?  It used to mean happy.

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Tangerines said:
I want to take back the 'hitler mustache' as well.



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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Silversoul]
    #7688369 - 11/27/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Fred Flintsone was always having a 'gay old time' and now kids hear that and are like 'OMG fred and barney are totally homosexuals with each other!!!!!'


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Tangerines]
    #7688376 - 11/27/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think that has to do with the theme song


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Minstrel]
    #7689380 - 11/28/07 07:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's an ancient symbol of power and beauty. We should take it back from those idiot anti-racists.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Conservationist]
    #7689602 - 11/28/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
    #7689658 - 11/28/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is something I've been thinking about a lot for the past several years, and again the past several months. Yes it should be taken back for religious and non-racist uses, and small steps and a lot of persecution is how we're gonna get there.

Did you ever see how the Raelians had to change their logo which was a unicursal Star of David/Swastika hybrid? It was awesome - even if they are nutty like a fruitcake. Now they've got the hexagram with a swirl in the middle. It's not nearly as cool looking.



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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7737694 - 12/09/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

people will always speak their opinions,  people shall use whatever symbols they fell they must.  As long as they can reason use of such symbol  :drag:


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7738275 - 12/09/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Swastikas don't have any negative connotations for me, unless it's the Nazi version- black with a white circle and red all around it. Looks seriously menacing. A version with dots around it, in a more benign colour, just looks like an ancient Hindu and Buddhist symbol, to me, though I know very little about the origins of the Swastika.

Don't let a group of angry, scared, violent little boys with big guns from the past ruin a holy symbol.





I feel the same. I use this as a spiritual symbol (although, in private practice) so the issue IS important to me.

The nazis and skinheads STOLE a legitimate religious symbol and used it to represent their hatred. Fuck them.

People have been serious fuckwads to each other under the sign of the cross, but I view that as a symbol of a religion that does teach love, as opposed to most of its hypocrite followers.

Fuck it. I won't let anyone's bullshit opinion, based in ignorance, keep me from using the symbols I choose to use.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7738286 - 12/09/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This is something I've been thinking about a lot for the past several years, and again the past several months. Yes it should be taken back for religious and non-racist uses, and small steps and a lot of persecution is how we're gonna get there.

Did you ever see how the Raelians had to change their logo which was a unicursal Star of David/Swastika hybrid? It was awesome - even if they are nutty like a fruitcake. Now they've got the hexagram with a swirl in the middle. It's not nearly as cool looking.







Oh...haha... and I know a girl who has that second symbol tattooed on her back. NO, she's not a Raelien. It's just a really fucking cool symbol. Actually, she's a member here.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #7738760 - 12/09/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Looking at them today, I see that the star of david is the Earth (two points at the poles, four points at the tropic lines) and the swirl and swastika both symbolize the sun.

This is an image of a hollow earth surrounding (and intertwined with) an internal sun. It is also a nucleus surrounded by protons.

It's an extremely positively charged image in my mind in both forms. Our minds are the place that these symbols have the most power, of course.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
    #7739456 - 12/10/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Whats this talk of "taking back" the Swastika from people who have no history with the symbol, and probably themselves got to know it as a Nazi symbol in the first place?

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So is it rude to bring these memories to people, even though it's not the intention?




You're a white guy in western culture and want to display a symbol that almost everyone in western culture associates with a world war, attempted genocide on several groups of people, and you're wondering if its rude to offend people with it. Your reason: it looks pretty.

I think it looks good to you because its controversial and you're justifying it like we humans can do so well.\

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is it a noble and controversial use of free spreech?




Its a time-honored American hobby and passtime to set out to hurt and offend people in the name of freedom of speech. There is nothing noble about that whatsoever, it's just antisocial.

Don't be one of those. The swastika is associated with so much misery in the western world, and all you're really saying is "war genocide atrocity holocaust-survivors yes I know, but I think it looks pretty".


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Asante]
    #7739519 - 12/10/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You are a total buzzkill.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
    #7739768 - 12/10/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

its just a simple symbol, i know it was used in other cultures like Egypt way back but I don't see how the swastika could not be associated with antisemitism by everyone since what happened in world war 1 were the most significant events related to the symbol. So why not just leave it with all that, and its still being used today as a symbol by racists all over the world so it will continue to be embraced by them. so there really is no "taking back the symbol" or "corrupting history to wash away what happened". unless you just want to be a douche, then roll into Compton or Oakland like that


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: fapjack]
    #7739837 - 12/10/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You are a total buzzkill.





Why?


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Asante]
    #7739882 - 12/10/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't display it openly outside of a religious/mystical context, but it is very meaningful, and I don't think the Nazis should have a monopoly on it. It's not just a matter of it "looking pretty" and I don't like it just because people find it offensive. It's actually a powerful symbol with lots of history behind it.

Some tastefully decorated swastikas:









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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Silversoul]
    #7739977 - 12/10/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not just a matter of it "looking pretty" and I don't like it just because people find it offensive.





To some extent that seemed the case with the threadstarter though.

If you have spiritual use for the swastika then use it, but like you say it would be good form to keep it to yourself and informed people.

The time is not ripe. I live in Holland. For us the war started with one of our major cities (Rotterdam, to our nation then more important than New York City is to the USA) being leveled by the Luftwaffe. Then we were occupied for years, and on a population of a few million, well over a hundred thousand people were deported and killed in the concentration camps. Our workers were deported to Germany to be used as slave labor for the war industry. Now, over 60 years on, swastikas are still very much frowned upon and near-universally associated with Nazism.

The Swastika has quite a stigma. No religion etc requires that it is to be worn visibly etc, so why needlessly offend many people, with the added risk of drawing negative attention to yourself? Many people will think less of you and treat you accordingly and neonazis might raise their arm and start race war chitchat with you.

Why have all that to begin with :shrug:


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