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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5357634 - 03/02/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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McKennaDMT said:
Chill, as people should on most things. 

"The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism, Heathenry and Buddhism." 

Ya never know.  I'd bet it wasn't for those though.  :wink:

As long as he doesn't specifically offend you, leave it be...




Thats what I was going to say.  It's also a symbol of power and the sun if im not mistakin.  Why not ask him about it instead of sitting back and worrying.


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Asante]
    #5357727 - 03/02/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if there's a problem, the owner or manager should confront him about breaking work policies. If there is no policy regarding tattoos, I don't see what the problem is.


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Asante]
    #5357881 - 03/02/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If it would make you feel better: a pot leaf tattoo would not be OK too.

Now personally I like it that nazi scum voluntarily wears a sign by which you can recognise them, but an employee is an extension of the business, and the swastika is a political symbol intimately associated with genocide.

From september 1, 1939 onwards the war lasted about 6 years, and for every single year a million Jews died in death camps based on that ideology. A pretty powerful statement for a pizza place.

A hemp leaf tattoo would signify: "dude, by the time you'll get your pizza it'll be cold and you have to repeat twice what you want on it."
Big difference!




You consider it better to have a drugged out, incompetent employee(who will probably be putting lives at risk by delivering pizzas under the influence) than to have someone with a controversial tattoo?


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #5357968 - 03/02/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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PDU said:
I still get offended when i see people with swastika tattoo's, while trying to keep an open mind...

sometimes its hard.




That's the point of swastikas... shock and offend.






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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Asante]
    #5357973 - 03/02/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
A hemp leaf tattoo would signify: "dude, by the time you'll get your pizza it'll be cold and you have to repeat twice what you want on it."




To you maybe.


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5358006 - 03/02/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly.  If a guy shows up to my door stoned off his ass delivering me the wrong pizza, i'm gonna be more pissed about that then someone who delivers me the correct pizza and I just happen to notice a swastika tattoo. 

I have many books on Nazism and Germany during WW2, thus many of the books have swastikas on the cover and some on the spine as well, and people that come over to my place and see that are taken aback at first and they ask me about it and I have to tell them that I have an interest in WW2 and especially the Nazis.  Mainly the psychological factor behind it all.  I understand that having books about Nazism and having a swastika tattoo are completley different and that having said tattoo probably doesn't mean he has an interest in the period.  :wink:

I bet the OP wouldn't be offended if the guy had an American flag tattoo in the same place.  If he's not causing problems, leave it be. :cool:


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5358055 - 03/02/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have the American flag tattooed on my face.


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Re: Swastika tattoo [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5358070 - 03/02/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The Oldest Known Symbol

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

* China - wan
* England - fylfot
* Germany - Hakenkreuz
* Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
* India - swastika

Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.

The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
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Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis

In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.


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