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Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika * 3
    #19238387 - 12/06/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The original meaning of the swastika generally means that something is good among many cultures.

Sanskrit: meaning any lucky or auspicious object
In Indian religions the swastika is a historical sacred symbol both to evoke tantric rituals and evoke the gods for blessings.
The swastika is recognized as a Hindu symbol in most parts of the world.

This symbol was used throughout history by many continents such as Europe, Asia, North America, and Africa. (used in
Jainism, Hinduism, Buddism, Armenia, Iran, Baltic, Celtic, Illyricans, Salics, Sami)

More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Damn Nazis ruined a perfectly good symbol...








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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: SkeletalSpore] * 1
    #19238405 - 12/06/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my friend who is hindu when i went in his old home there was a swastika with one of their gods in the living room.  Another one of my friends has a swastika tattoo except the edges are curved so it looks a little less nazi.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19238411 - 12/06/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the nazi party tilted the symbol.  they were spun.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19238453 - 12/06/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The NAZIs had good taste for sure. Its hip now to not like it even aesthetically or for what it really means because people don't want to be seen as NAZI sympathizers. Ever wonder why those SS guys looked so damn good/hot in their uniforms? They were designed by Hugo Boss!!! But everyone still at least loves good style but don't wear this designer suit to your next interview...



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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19238551 - 12/06/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cool tip: Some one I met (and trust completely) once told me that putting the an pre-nazi image of the swastika around your place, in plain sight, will aid one in being able to lucid dream. Claimed that something about the shape itself effects your brain


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: lot_justice]
    #19238572 - 12/06/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Imperialism has a pretty standard color scheme.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Konyap]
    #19238613 - 12/06/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Imperialism has a pretty standard color scheme.



If this site is believed the union jack (red white and blue) scheme is the most common in imperial color schemes.

http://imperialflags.blogspot.com/


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: lot_justice] * 4
    #19238660 - 12/06/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Cool tip: Some one I met (and trust completely) once told me that putting the an pre-nazi image of the swastika around your place, in plain sight, will aid one in being able to lucid dream. Claimed that something about the shape itself effects your brain




It's possible that this could be the flakiest comment I've ever seen on the shroomery.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19238848 - 12/06/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

when the swastika is reverse, so counter clockwise, it means life and prosperity ect


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19239302 - 12/07/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

haha yeah it was worded pretty sketch. A fellow new age-y dude swears by it, apparently he picked it up from the book "The Master of Lucid Dreams" by Olga Khartidi. I haven't had a chance to scope the book out, so idk I only have his word


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19239332 - 12/07/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

lot_justice said:
Cool tip: Some one I met (and trust completely) once told me that putting the an pre-nazi image of the swastika around your place, in plain sight, will aid one in being able to lucid dream. Claimed that something about the shape itself effects your brain




It's possible that this could be the flakiest comment I've ever seen on the shroomery.



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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Legend] * 2
    #19239372 - 12/07/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The Swastika should be rehabilitated, it has over 3000 years of significance only to be tarnished in a decades time.  In Tibet, the direction is quite important. Tibetan Buddhists subscribe to the "s" shape. The indigenous pre-Buddhist Bonpo religion is the opposite direction

I believe it's not a"s" good, opposite bad type dynamic as posited above.





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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Biodiversity]
    #19239389 - 12/07/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you know, we should have a commercial running day in and day out, that people have to watch if they wanna stoop down in their chairs and watch the boob tube... that says "idiot. the Swastika means a ton of stuff, but look at the symbol... it's an older then fuck symbol for all the ends of the Earth... it doesn't MEAN NAZI".

over and over again, until everyone gets what should be fuckin' obvious.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19239467 - 12/07/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to print up a picture of the swastika and leave copies of it at all the places I visit.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Konyap]
    #19239479 - 12/07/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
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lot_justice said:
Cool tip: Some one I met (and trust completely) once told me that putting the an pre-nazi image of the swastika around your place, in plain sight, will aid one in being able to lucid dream. Claimed that something about the shape itself effects your brain




It's possible that this could be the flakiest comment I've ever seen on the shroomery.



only one way to find out whether or not it's legit




Go for it, brah

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I'd like to print up a picture of the swastika and leave copies of it at all the places I visit.




The innocence of that idea, juxtaposed against the complete clusterfuck that would ensue makes this an awesome post.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods] * 3
    #19239531 - 12/07/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Swastika is just a sun symbol. And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19239540 - 12/07/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One time my buddies and I were tripping, and I was drawing galaxies in increasingly symbolic ways, and at some point my friends were laughing their asses off because I was drawing swastikas on everything.

I thought they were galaxies until I remembered what a swastika was, hahaha.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19239543 - 12/07/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.




See what you get OP?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19239549 - 12/07/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Two very popular old Nordic shield paint designs that are just the sun / swastika symbol that supossedly Hitler stole from those poor old hindus.




It was a celebration of life for the National Socialists just like it is everywhere else.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19239555 - 12/07/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is that Thulean as after the Thule society?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19239558 - 12/07/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Swastika is just a sun symbol. And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.





Your posts are just terrible, I wish you'd just go away, even your name is sickening.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Constantine] * 3
    #19239560 - 12/07/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)




Apparently we still have the swastika in our presidential flag& Air Force Academy's flag


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19239591 - 12/07/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Swastika is just a sun symbol. And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.



the people that the Nazi's tried to wipe off the face of the planet... can't say i blame them for propagating.

you're a fucked up individual. (before you call me a fool or a "jew lover"; just thought you should know how fucked you seem to be.)

:archiebunker:

i'd love to hear the explanation on why the Nazi's were "good" and why "jews are bad"; and without this sanctimonious "look on the internet broo it's all there" type answer... naw, there are TONS of sources and articles and NOT all of them are relevant or important to my understanding what you're trying to say...

i need to hear it from you, go ahead. give it your best shot. i need to know how "nazi's are good and jews are bad".

tell me.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19239605 - 12/07/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

After capturing all the Midianite women and children, God commands Moses to kill the women and the male children and to "keep the virgin girls alive for yourselves." Moses then proceeds to offer 32 of the 32,000 virgin girls to God as a "tribute." We know from Leviticus 27:29 that these 32 girls would not be allowed to stay alive but were offered as a heave offering (burnt on the sacrificial altar) to the Lord. - Numbers 31:17-18,40-41

The way I see it Jews and NAZIs are roughly equal in badness, with a slight edge to the Jews for merely raping the young virgin girls and murdering a portion of them in sacrafice, rather than just murdering all of them. But then again the NAZIs did leave overall more survivors so its tough to judge this one.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19239606 - 12/07/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In the bigger scheme of things...does it really even matter?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: OldHam]
    #19239610 - 12/07/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The swastika is a pretty sacred symbol and many people still understand that.. it's just upsetting that the Nazis butchered it.

Truly, it doesn't really matter what other people think as long as you stay true to its rootal meanings.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: DirtyTomFlint] * 1
    #19239646 - 12/07/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll never understand everyone's problem with Nazis.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Ellis Dee] * 6
    #19239648 - 12/07/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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After capturing all the Midianite women and children, God commands Moses to kill the women and the male children and to "keep the virgin girls alive for yourselves." Moses then proceeds to offer 32 of the 32,000 virgin girls to God as a "tribute." We know from Leviticus 27:29 that these 32 girls would not be allowed to stay alive but were offered as a heave offering (burnt on the sacrificial altar) to the Lord. - Numbers 31:17-18,40-41

The way I see it Jews and NAZIs are roughly equal in badness, with a slight edge to the Jews for merely raping the young virgin girls and murdering a portion of them in sacrafice, rather than just murdering all of them. But then again the NAZIs did leave overall more survivors so its tough to judge this one.





No you can't do it like that.

The Bible story is three thousand year old lore that may or may not have happened that way and the Nazis were 20st century. 3000 years ago the germanic people had slaves too and burnt the wife with the deceased husband and more such prose.

The jews as a people werent doing much of anything sinister, just trying to stay alive in hostile lands, when Hitler whipped up an antisemitic frenzy and the subsequent holocaust. Sure there were some crooked jewish businessmen but thats the nature of business, you can't blame that on the jewish people anymore that you can blame the actions of Ted Bundy and John Gacy on all americans.

The vast majority of jews were just trying to make ends meet in a hostile climate, they were innocent victims of the crimes of hate committed against them.

Using 3000 year old hearsay about Mozes to say jews were as bad as the nazis is poppycock and dishonest argumentation. You might as well blame all women for eating the Apple of Knowledge that allegedly got us all kicked out of Paradise.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Asante]
    #19239652 - 12/07/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

>>>>The Bible story is three thousand year old lore that may or may not have happened that way and the Nazis were 20st century. 3000 years ago the germanic people had slaves too and burnt the wife with the deceased husband and more such prose.

Time is as they say relative. I've often thought that there isn't much difference and that all nations are bad. FDR had Japanese in camps for instance. At least in my mind the only difference between Adold Hitler, FDR, and Moses is that Moses and FDR won their wars. The winners as they say write the history books, even if they are 3000 years old.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19239661 - 12/07/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've often thought that there isn't much difference and that all nations are bad.




Except the jews werent a nation then, they were a nationless people on the run, oppressed all across the globe.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Asante]
    #19239676 - 12/07/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've often thought that there isn't much difference and that all nations are bad.




Except the jews werent a nation then, they were a nationless people on the run, oppressed all across the globe.



I read the Bible and as much as they enjoy pretending to be victims they were usually the victimizers in the stories I read, invasion of the area they called the promised land, mass murders, convert or die, etc. And then every so often when they get beat they blame themselves for failing their bloody tribal god and deserving for him to turn his back on his people. Its really what they believed in those days. Capture the flag is still the main international contest in that part of the world and they still blame their triumphs and defeats on their dieties. We're an absurd species, us homo sapiens, thinking we're not part of the animal kingdom and then acting like the most savage beasts of all.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Asante]
    #19239677 - 12/07/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

... and as far as swastikas go, Jung had interesting things to say. For example, if the swastika is turning towards the right ( clockwise ), it suggests a movement towards consciousness, an affirmation of individual and personal egotism. If the swastika is turning towards the left, it would suggest a movement towards the unconscious, instinctual behavior and spiritual life.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika *DELETED* [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19239681 - 12/07/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think this sums up what Wiccan Seeker is trying to say:

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I read the Bible and as much as they enjoy pretending to be victims they were usually the victimizers in the stories I read




Keyword here: Story.

What the nazis did can be verified. What Moses and the jews of old the bible says they did: we cannot.

End of argument. Back to swastikas. :grin:


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Constantine]
    #19239682 - 12/07/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thulean said:
Swastika is just a sun symbol. And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.





Your posts are just terrible, I wish you'd just go away, even your name is sickening.




Thule is just the ancient greek term for northern europe, it's a neutral word.

As for the guy himself, I'm guessing a sock puppet who +1s himself from his real account.


Let's put some more swastikas up in this, and less old "horrible nazis vs. innocent jews" talk.



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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19239685 - 12/07/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Constantine said:
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Thulean said:
Swastika is just a sun symbol. And lol at all the people in here clinging to the "nazi's were bad" lies propagated by Jews.





Your posts are just terrible, I wish you'd just go away, even your name is sickening.




Thule is just the ancient greek term for northern europe, it's a neutral word.





Read some of his posts, it's pretty clear his name is a reference to the Thule Society (which is far from being neutral). But I agree, most likely a puppet/troll.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19239722 - 12/07/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll never understand everyone's problem with Nazis.



i have a problem with Nazi sympathizers.

after reading about this Thule shit, a bit, i mean... it's got soem really interesting symbology... and structure.

but... it's inherent philosophy can't have genocide of a singular race in mind... and if it did, like Hitler did... then i find it disgusting in that case, because in this day and age... all over the world understand that that amount of suffering... is terrible. even plenty of Nazi's were reeling from the perception of the suffering they caused...

Nazi's sympathizers are pretty sick and twisted people.

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... and as far as swastikas go, Jung had interesting things to say. For example, if the swastika is turning towards the right ( clockwise ), it suggests a movement towards consciousness, an affirmation of individual and personal egotism. If the swastika is turning towards the left, it would suggest a movement towards the unconscious, instinctual behavior and spiritual life.



interesting. i never heard of that before. :yesnod:


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    #19239760 - 12/07/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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... and as far as swastikas go, Jung had interesting things to say. For example, if the swastika is turning towards the right ( clockwise ), it suggests a movement towards consciousness, an affirmation of individual and personal egotism. If the swastika is turning towards the left, it would suggest a movement towards the unconscious, instinctual behavior and spiritual life.



interesting. i never heard of that before. :yesnod:





Arguably Jung was giving himself a cigar from his own box as symbols have no meaning except the ones given to them.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Asante]
    #19239776 - 12/07/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's Freud Dude.

Btw, wouldn't unconscious, instinctual behaviour be very egotistical? The me-now survival trip is one of the most fundamental things we are programmed with, no?


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    #19239792 - 12/07/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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... and as far as swastikas go, Jung had interesting things to say. For example, if the swastika is turning towards the right ( clockwise ), it suggests a movement towards consciousness, an affirmation of individual and personal egotism. If the swastika is turning towards the left, it would suggest a movement towards the unconscious, instinctual behavior and spiritual life.



interesting. i never heard of that before. :yesnod:





Arguably Jung was giving himself a cigar from his own box as symbols have no meaning except the ones given to them.



yeah, but... that's what makes a symbol... a symbol.


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*hands you a cigar*


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phallic... :blush: *puff puff*


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... and as far as swastikas go, Jung had interesting things to say. For example, if the swastika is turning towards the right ( clockwise ), it suggests a movement towards consciousness, an affirmation of individual and personal egotism. If the swastika is turning towards the left, it would suggest a movement towards the unconscious, instinctual behavior and spiritual life.



interesting. i never heard of that before. :yesnod:





Arguably Jung was giving himself a cigar from his own box as symbols have no meaning except the ones given to them.




Jung understood that was the meaning he was attributing to them. In other contexts, the gammadion represents luck, prosperity, hope, growth, and intellectual activity.


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    #19239827 - 12/07/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i like that name better.


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phallic... :blush: *puff puff*





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It's like saying the rainbow meams gay or jesus promise to not flood the earth. Anyone who says that is retarded, its clearly a symbol of acid culture.:cookiemonster:


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phallic... :blush: *puff puff*





Phallic pleasures are the best Akira :lol:




something goes into nothing, and nothing likes something... :yesnod:





look, mummified penis!1
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What do people think the nazi's would have chosen for a symbol? The fucking devil? I mean they are evil, but in their eyes they're the good guy, it kind of makes sense that they'd choose a symbol of good luck.


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Good and evil is for kids.


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No its for people with a robustly developed sense of right and wrong.

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What do people think the nazi's would have chosen for a symbol? The fucking devil? I mean they are evil, but in their eyes they're the good guy, it kind of makes sense that they'd choose a symbol of good luck.



LOL :ilold:

but yeah, you're right.

which is why it should be dumbfuckin' obvious to EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING PERIOD that you shouldn't look at is if the fuckin' thing "means NAZI"

seriously, the whole concept of the ignorance of this issue pisses me off :lol: how can be people be so stupid?

it means... naz-- i bet there is a bunch of people right now, on Earth who think the fuckin' thing means "nazi". :facepalm:


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Good and evil is for kids.



+1 for the heresy.

Unless you can love war and violence for the perfection they are as much as you love a beautiful sunset, or inspiring music, or the touch of a woman's skin that love becomes conditional, not unconditional and acts just like any other belief filter such as hate on the psyche.


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Animals are neutral, we have to take sides.



Humans are animals, every bit as much a part of the animal kingdom as a rabbit or a lion, or a horse and we are the most brutal animals of all too much more than the four legged kind because we are one of the few animals that preys on itself.


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Good and evil is for kids.



+1 for the heresy.

Unless you can love war and violence for the perfection they are as much as you love a beautiful sunset, or inspiring music, or the touch of a woman's skin that love becomes conditional, not unconditional and acts just like any other belief filter such as hate on the psyche.




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    #19239917 - 12/07/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, but you understand, he means that since Humans do act as they do... with a sense of morality... that that makes it possible to side with one or the other (good or evil), right?

and that he's saying that good is obviously better then evil, at the rate we've established both concepts, in this Human civilization.

compare good and bad. good got you things, and bad is destructive and hurts people.

things have been done in the past, to assure several "peoples" their survival and their freedom. alot of those things were evil... hell, alot of the evil shit back then was senseless things that we never needed... but i digress, there has to be some point at which we draw the line as a species, of what's allowed and what shouldn't be allowed.

because we've grown up, we've got a "sense" of a 'freedom' and we've got our lives. now wouldn't you value your life, or your families lives, or your belongings?

if something were to upset this balance, wouldn't you find it "wrong" "upsetting" "evil"?

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Read some God-damned Nietzsche. :headbang:


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i plan on it. i'm gonna get the Divine Comedy first, though.

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yeah, but you understand, he means that since Humans do act as they do... with a sense of morality... that that makes it possible to side with one or the other (good or evil), right?

and that he's saying that good is obviously better then evil, at the rate we've established both concepts, in this Human civilization.

compare good and bad. good got you things, and bad is destructive and hurts people.

things have been done in the past, to assure several "peoples" their survival and their freedom. alot of those things were evil... hell, alot of the evil shit back then was senseless things that we never needed... but i digress, there has to be some point at which we draw the line as a species, of what's allowed and what shouldn't be allowed.

because we've grown up, we've got a "sense" of a 'freedom' and we've got our lives. now wouldn't you value your life, or your families lives, or your belongings?

if something were to upset this balance, wouldn't you find it "wrong" "upsetting" "evil"?




No I can't agree so I must be a low grade moron.

No. It seems to me that everything called good or evil is merely perception through belief filters. Every advancement we take for granted is the result of war and war technology. Every time the phoenix that is human civilization rises from the ashes it is stronger, and bigger, and more brightly colored. This was true when our ancestors with bronze swords hacked up those with mere copper swords and its true now with our drone planes and surgical strikes on those iron sword weilding barbarous tribes over there.

And now... We humans, us homo sapiens are no longer animals, for we are at the peak of civilization with our hydrogen bombs and striped toothpaste and internet all thanks to our animal ancestors who used to do things like fight wars and mate. No we homo sapiens no longer are animals anymore because we have invented religion and have souls too!


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    #19239943 - 12/07/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens


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    #19240371 - 12/07/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tell me.




Common sense mostly. Since you obviously lack this...

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I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens



Don't you love living in a society where displaying a symbol would incite violent rage against you and your property?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Thulean]
    #19240383 - 12/07/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wow, i said tell me in YOUR OWN WORDS, you blithering tool. you seemingly can't think for yourself, so why should i listen... and i'm not defending anything, either, fuckwit.

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I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens



Don't you love living in a society where displaying a symbol would incite violent rage against you and your property?



because Nazi's fucked that up for everyone, by bein evil scumsuckers (Third Reich), and brainless brainwashed morons (their soldiers)


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    #19240456 - 12/07/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tell me.




Common sense mostly. Since you obviously lack this...

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So you keep defending that ^

And I'll keep defending this...



Sieg Heil :smile:





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    #19240472 - 12/07/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

apparently, he doesn't understand the concept of propaganda.


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well, it's what Thule would do. :shrug:


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    #19240493 - 12/07/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

just pointing out the irony.


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    #19240510 - 12/07/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Aight. I hope wiccan was making a point like that too, and not actually advocating banning someone just for being a nazi sympathiser.

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tell me.




Common sense mostly. Since you obviously lack this...

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And for le grand finale!!!

http://i.imgur.com/8YlWd6t.jpg

So you keep defending that ^

And I'll keep defending this...



Sieg Heil :smile:





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Hate is never good. Imagine what we could have become if instead we welcomed the jews and the gypsy's? I mean really The German Armies ruled all of Europa (except that island) and that was without their help. And look who beat them back. America, A country that prides itself on its diversity. That should be the lesson learned. that humanity can only succeed if we do it together.
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Yeah, let's silence people with uncomfortable opinions.




^ Seriously. What rules did he break here? I mean he's entitled to his opinion even if it's :flowstone: so what is the point? If anything, to him, it'll just validate what he feels and he'll just chalk it up to Shroomery being owned by Jews or something like that. Any chance at a debate or changing of opinion is lost. I agree with what others say but at the same time we don't ban people for being bible thumpers or any number of controversial whatever opinions so why are we banning holocaust deniers?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: gzuf]
    #19243232 - 12/08/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wiccan was obviously joking, referencing the fascism of the NSP. Jeeze.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19243299 - 12/08/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The original meaning of the swastika generally means that something is good among many cultures.

Sanskrit: meaning any lucky or auspicious object
In Indian religions the swastika is a historical sacred symbol both to evoke tantric rituals and evoke the gods for blessings.
The swastika is recognized as a Hindu symbol in most parts of the world.

This symbol was used throughout history by many continents such as Europe, Asia, North America, and Africa. (used in
Jainism, Hinduism, Buddism, Armenia, Iran, Baltic, Celtic, Illyricans, Salics, Sami)

More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Damn Nazis ruined a perfectly good symbol...




That is not the Nazi swastika. Look hard, and you will notice that the Nazi swastika is backwards from the Asian swastika. The swastika is facing the wrong direction.



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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Patlal]
    #19243416 - 12/08/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens


You gotta Quadruple dog dare em to make it worth while.  Unless I missed it nobody pointed out that Aryans were a people from northern India and Tibet. around 3 or 4000 years ago. Almost certainly of darker skin and brown eyed.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19243508 - 12/08/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are many kinds of Aryans, the word simply means nobles. The Nazis were referring to the ancient Nordic tribes.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Patlal]
    #19243514 - 12/08/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens



i'd rather see someone get it as a tattoo


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Legend]
    #19243531 - 12/08/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens



i'd rather see someone get it as a tattoo



To his/her forehead :yesnod:


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: rulesq]
    #19243544 - 12/08/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

god people get so butthert

they had to do something with all that zyclon b at least they didn't just go dumping it in the ocean and hurting the sea horses and sea cucumbers


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: gzuf]
    #19244558 - 12/08/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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KremrBigSikter said:
Yeah, let's silence people with uncomfortable opinions.




^ Seriously. What rules did he break here? I mean he's entitled to his opinion even if it's :flowstone: so what is the point? If anything, to him, it'll just validate what he feels and he'll just chalk it up to Shroomery being owned by Jews or something like that. Any chance at a debate or changing of opinion is lost. I agree with what others say but at the same time we don't ban people for being bible thumpers or any number of controversial whatever opinions so why are we banning holocaust deniers?




Banning someone for having an unpopular opinion seriously crosses the line. I don't even know why W_S continues to enjoy his position as an admin; he gets way too emotionally involved in this crap and it leads to baiting and abuses of power. Remember what happened to zappaisgod?


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: rulesq]
    #19244577 - 12/08/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rulesq said:
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Legend said:
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Patlal said:
I quadruple dare somebody to put an indian swatika on a sign on their front lawn. Just to see what happens



i'd rather see someone get it as a tattoo



To his/her forehead :yesnod:





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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Crystal G]
    #19244632 - 12/08/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That is not the Nazi swastika. Look hard, and you will notice that the Nazi swastika is backwards from the Asian swastika. The swastika is facing the wrong direction.




Both types have been used in Asia.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: setb]
    #19244644 - 12/08/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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setb said:
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gzuf said:
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KremrBigSikter said:
Yeah, let's silence people with uncomfortable opinions.




^ Seriously. What rules did he break here? I mean he's entitled to his opinion even if it's :flowstone: so what is the point? If anything, to him, it'll just validate what he feels and he'll just chalk it up to Shroomery being owned by Jews or something like that. Any chance at a debate or changing of opinion is lost. I agree with what others say but at the same time we don't ban people for being bible thumpers or any number of controversial whatever opinions so why are we banning holocaust deniers?




Banning someone for having an unpopular opinion seriously crosses the line. I don't even know why W_S continues to enjoy his position as an admin; he gets way too emotionally involved in this crap and it leads to baiting and abuses of power. Remember what happened to zappaisgod?



Well the guy is banned now and his last posts were the ones in here. I'm not gonna cry over this nazi dick (and since it was probably a puppet account there's no harm done), but it's kinda ridiculous.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: psi]
    #19244646 - 12/08/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not like the swastika has any power besides pissing people off. Why would someone waste their time rehabilitating it. Seems like an epic waste of time that will just make you hated.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19244650 - 12/08/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Personally I want to reform the symbol of the cross to its original meaning as an ancient torture/execution device. The christians have tarnished it!


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19244659 - 12/08/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Personally I want to reform the symbol of the cross to its original meaning as an ancient torture/execution device. The christians have tarnished it!




Not really. It still is a symbol of torture. It's just that Christians get off on seeing their savior being tortured.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: koods]
    #19244684 - 12/08/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not like the swastika has any power besides pissing people off. Why would someone waste their time rehabilitating it. Seems like an epic waste of time that will just make you hated.



I tend to agree. Aside from the association with Nazism it is a cool symbol geometrically, but it's always going to piss people off.


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    #19244716 - 12/08/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on how you look at that. He's named after theb Thule society, keeps poking the fire of nazism in several threads and then that last one insinuating auschwitz was a summer camp, that he makes a stand for the NSDAP and a Sieg Heil to boot.

Admin consensus so far is that he was here to troll and/or recruit, two things we don't want here.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #19244796 - 12/08/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And look who beat them back. America




Bollocks. The Russians had you running before the d-day landings. We hear a lot about the yanks because of their bodged attempt at Omaha beach. It was a combined effort in the end but the Russians got there first.


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Re: Misunderstood meaning of the Swastika [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19245505 - 12/08/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And look who beat them back. America




Bollocks. The Russians had you running before the d-day landings. We hear a lot about the yanks because of their bodged attempt at Omaha beach. It was a combined effort in the end but the Russians got there first.




Very good point but who wants to go giving a damn commie any credit. That would have ruined my whole spiel on Diversity and blah blah..


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