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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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I've watched so many of those videos, and videos from shelters putting animals down that I can't even count.  It doesn't get any easier to watch though - it's simply terrible.  I've been volunteering for animal rescue groups for a couple of years now, and some of the stories I've heard and things I've witnessed first hand keep me awake at night and give me nightmares. 

For instance, here is a link to one of the dogs we have for adoption right now, he's just a puppy.
http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=917766&do_count=1

and here is a link to the pictures that were taken of him when he first arrived at our hospital.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=91aystyn.5tmmh3mn&Uy=4qalqh&Ux=0

some teenagers used him as a "bait dog" for some fighting dogs.

About 2 weeks ago we found a home for a puppy named Barney.  He was turned into the shelter by his owners who didn't want him anymore, and as a parting gift, they decided to attempt to cut off his tail.  It got terribly infected, but he was nursed back to health.

Oh, and here is a link to Dominic, who is still up for adoption.  His owners turned him in, and he's in simply terrible shape.  That thing that looks like a Ball sack on his chin is actually a cyst or some sort of tumor - they let him live like that for about 3 years without doing a damned thing about it.  They also turned in their other basset hound, Nina.  Both have terrible eye infections and are severely malnourished - they were starved, nearly to death.

http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=917796&do_count=1

Oh, and here's Leon, who will always be in pain and walk with a limp, because someone shot him in the damn elbow.

http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=888100&do_count=1

And Buck...poor Buck.  He got hit by a car, and about a month later, his owner surrendered him to the shelter because he "wasn't doing well".  I guess that's what happens when you try to fix a shattered leg by wrapping it in fucking duct tape.  Buck had his leg amputated and got adopted. 

Oh - and then there's Timmy.  Our shelter volunteers were sitting in front of the shelter having a smoke, when a car slowed down and caught their eye.  They thought it was going to turn into the parking lot...instead, it sped back up, the window rolled down, and they tossed Timmy out the window, onto the highway.  The impact shattered his femur, and he needed extensive surgery.

Rascal was a tiny little papillion whose owner kicked him in the face repeatedly until he shattered his jaw.





Emma, the first dog I ever fostered, was a tiny beagle puppy who is mostly paralyzed from the waist down, and has no control of her bodily functions because somebody shot her in the back twice, and left her to die in a ditch.  They did it because "she wouldn't hunt". 









I really could go on and on.  My point is that there are some really fucking awful people in this world, and all we can do is try to get the word out there about what is going on.  With enough outraged people, maybe these things will stop....or at least not happen so often? 

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Liz]
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:thumbup: To You.

This stuff does bother me but I never feel I should express it, I try to appear cold as ice as the stuff is in my face for a living and the weak aren't respected in my business.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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There's a huge difference between a lion tearing up a prey, or a cat playing with a mouse, and the way humanity victimize billions of animals each year.


no there isnt. we are animals just like a lion is. you think that the prey was dead before it got its intestines ripped from it? you think that entire limbs werent ripped away while the animal could feel it?

you live in a delusional reality. you have some stigma attached to the idea that humans are somehow better than animals, that we are above animal behaviour.
understand the word humane.... then maybe you will understand the word inhumane merely means to "act like an animal".
we are animals.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Syle said:
actually, most large predatory felines suffocate their prey. i was watching this cool documentary on em.

a lot of animals they find in the wild that were killed by big cats have zero puncture or scratch marks on em. rather, they find that the animal suffocated. cats take a hold of your throat with their mouth, and then push their incisor teeth down behind your wind pipe where a large arterial (not sure if arterial is the right term) vein or something is that is the main roller coaster for the blood to your brain. they bite down just hard enough to close that vein off. so you just pass out and then eventually die. saw it on national geographic a while ago.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Besides, having all your skin ripped off is actually a lot different than being mauled to death.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
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awwww.... dont let the wittle furry things be killed so violently.



Do you really think you've spoken in love? Do you really think what you've shown is accurate? It's not. It's rude and heartless.

Just because there is death and suffering in this world does not mean we should be promoting or creating more death and suffering. We should be working to cause the least harm as we reasonably can. One person can make a lot of difference in the world if they work at it.

Moth:
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.


Actually both cheese and milk require the suffering of animals. Rennet isn't easy to come by, and some cheeses don't have them I think, but rennet must be taken from the stomach of bovine and other animals, ( like goats) Milk causes animal suffering because Cattle only give milk for so long naturally. farmers force them to breed so that their milk giving period is extended. If it is a male cow they are often taken when young and put in small pens where they cannot move for long periods and made into veal.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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jonathan_206 said:
Moth:
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.


Actually both cheese and milk require the suffering of animals. Rennet isn't easy to come by, and some cheeses don't have them I think, but rennet must be taken from the stomach of bovine and other animals, ( like goats) Milk causes animal suffering because Cattle only give milk for so long naturally. farmers force them to breed so that their milk giving period is extended. If it is a male cow they are often taken when young and put in small pens where they cannot move for long periods and made into veal.


Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower.  Then I come and read your post.  :smile:

Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer?  What if they don't constantly rebreed them?  If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer? 

I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding.  I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked.  Such a thing has to exist....I hope. 

If I knew more about cheese and milk production (from RESPONSIBLE nonforceful free-range farmers) then maybe I could make up my mind on the topic. 

Either way, I won't be eating any cheese for the next twenty-twenty five days anyway.  But I do want to educate myself and do what's best for nature.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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leeee deeerrrr

Animal Suffering :sleepingcow:

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
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Everyone has different priorities in life.  :shrug:

I know you're a hunter Adom, and I respect that.  I was with my dad at age 7 when he shot and killed a deer and then butchered it in front of me and my little brothers to feed us the meat.  I loved venison.  My grandfather used to take us trapping for rabbits and we ate the meat and hearts.  My aunts and uncles have the huge heads of all kinds of creatures all throughout their house as well as an extensive bow collection, which they use exclusively to hunt.  They have the pelt of a bear that they killed laying on their living room floor.  You see, I'm not a stranger to that lifestyle of hunting for game.  I grew up around it.  I was offered a rifle when I hit age 12.  If I was in different circumstances where food was scarce and I needed to hunt to survive, I wouldn't hesitate to do so.  (One of my favorite shows on DVD is 'Survivorman'.) 

I guess...as I got older I grew seperated from that lifestyle, in body and in mind.  It's just not for me.  That doesn't mean I think hunters or meat-lovers are cold-blooded killers though; quite the contrary.  It is what it is.  Different strokes for different folks.  Animals kill other animals for food.  :shrug:  So what.  I can accept that, but I just choose to live differently. 

There's my spiel; I'm off to get some rye for my spores.  :tongue2:

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
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i trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.

its necessary, mange is a big problem around here for yotes/fox/coon.

trappers and hunters care about the animals more than any PETA freak would. we actually give money to game commissions/wildlife organizations that help preserve land and resources for the animals.

PETA would rather hurt their cause by spending money on their special interests, or acting totally radical rather than actually helping the animals.

Edited by Leanin (10/28/07 01:49 PM)

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
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eh, im gonna be performing surgeries on animals soon so that video didnt really disgust or repulse me in any way.

anybody who eats meat but cant face these videos are goddamn pussies. if you're gonna eat an animal, then you gotta be man enough to kill it. sorry, but thats just the way it goes.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
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You have my respect :sun:


It's funny PETA booths used to follow Phish around, they pray on the gullible.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Crystal G]
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oh yeah, heres another video of dogs getting gassed to death in shelters



yeah. i have no soul.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Crystal G]
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PETA is a bunch of radical freaks. they attack hunters/fisherman/trappers every year. they go about their cause in the wrong way and in the wrong areas.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
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Not to sound like a redneck, but I felt like I should contribute to the special collection of animal cruelty videos I have saved on my favorites list on youtube.










now now, before you pansies go all out and start crying, dont worry justice has been served on both ends:





aw hell. i dont give a fuck. i AM a redneck trapped in an asian girls body. it is AWESOME on both ends and i dont give a fuck what you guys say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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There's no difference between animal cruelty nad human cruelty: Both can feel pain. That doesn't mean it's not right to kill animals for uses; but what's not right is making them suffer.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
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Where's the line drawn?

I hook fish in the mouth by tricking them into thinking they are eating food and then battling them through the water, this probably isn't pleasent from the fishes perspective but I sure enjoy it. Sometimes I take one home with me for supper, sometimes they sufficate and die before I get my knife to their head, . I supose I could club them over the head but that makes me feel bad, why oh why?



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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
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Adom said:
Where's the line drawn?


You could start by being against an animal having its skin ripped off.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
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Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower. Then I come and read your post. :smile:

Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer? What if they don't constantly rebreed them? If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer?

I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding. I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked. Such a thing has to exist....I hope.



I think that if you got a cow of your own and took care of it, and it gave milk that would be just fine. I don't know however how long a cow's milking period is. Maybe they milk their whole life, just not as much as when they're nursing. I think though that you would have to have it give birth to start with, that's my honest guess. But you know there are some pretty good vegan cheese out there. The follow your heart brand I think is pretty good, at least the mozzerella. Once more people become vegans then food will get better. But I was reading that
there is a vegetable derived rennet, and I am hoping someday perhaps a vegan cheese can be made of it.

Cheese is a tough point for a lot of people to become vegans. It's really a drug, like meat. It seriously is. I don't remember all the facts about it, but it's physically addictive from what I remember. Eating vegan just isn't the same. In my opinion, it can be better, or it can be worse. It all depends on how you go about it.

You could get a little goat, and milk it. But you might have to again make it give birth.

I think I have a few recipes for vegan cheese. Pm me if you would like them.


leanin:

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I trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.



You hunt down and kill innocent animals for recreation?

This is exactly why I hate hunting. Because it's a cop out when people say they do it just for food. If you were really concerned about food, you wouldn't have spent all that money on hunting supplies permits gas to go hunt down an innocent animal for fun.

It's totally insane for people to behave the way they do in this thread towards vegetarianism and then not expect vegans to be mad at you. You are behaving like absolute scum. It's outrageous.

Why do you feel the need to post videos of animal torture videos in contempt for veganism? That is wicked. You are doing it to the offense of others. Because deep down, you know it's wrong the way you're behaving, and selfish.And so you lash out.

I don't look down on meat eaters, if they have a good attitude. But the attitudes I see here are rotten. You provoke others, and cause much hurt. You disregard animals feelings and the sanctity of life. And then when they get mad, you call them peta freaks.

First, wake up and realize that you are a living creature, and that all life is sacred and worth consideration and they need compassion and mercy and they feel pain like you do. Then, stop stereotyping people and acting like immature jerks, trying to show how tough you are because you can watch an animal being killed or kill an animal. It's pathetic, and you know it takes a lot more courage to take blows then to deliver them.

It takes a lot more courage to wake up, and not shut your eyes to the cruelty and bitterness of this world, to stand up and work to do something about it, even when it's so overwhelming.

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