Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineJunkFood
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/02/06
Posts: 7,258
Loc: NYC
Last seen: 2 years, 6 months
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7572861 - 10/29/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MOTH said:
Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer?




What is the vegan position on free-range eggs?

"Free-range" is not a legal industry term; therefore it is essentially meaningless. Farmers use the term to imply that they practice a more humane standard of production but, in reality, there is no regulation regarding how the word is interpreted or used. Although most consumers imagine free-range hens have access to the outdoors with plenty of sunlight, vegetation, and normal social interaction, to most egg producers, the "range" is simply a bigger cage than those in which battery-caged hens are kept.

Free-range egg farming is, above all else, a business. Consequently, profit surpasses concern for the animals' comfort, welfare, or behavioral needs. In addition, it is common for free-range layers to be debeaked just like battery-caged layers.

But even if free-range hens were treated with kindness and given all the space they could use, they will still be killed for meat when their egg production wanes, usually after one or two years, even though in a natural environment a hen could live fifteen years. And, like all other animals raised for food, they will be subjected to the horrors and abuses of transportation, handling, and slaughter.

An inherent problem with all egg production, whether free-range or battery-caged, is the disposal of unwanted male chicks at the hatchery. Because male chicks don't lay eggs and do not grow fast enough to be raised profitably for meat, they are deemed a financial liability, except for the few used as rooster studs. On average, one rooster is used to service ten hens. Hence, nine out of ten male chicks are considered virtually useless and will be killed by the cheapest means available, including suffocation and being ground up alive.

No matter what words or systems are used to candy coat animal production, when we treat sentient beings as commodities we invariably invite abuse. From a vegan perspective, the use of animals for human profit or gain, regardless of how they are raised or treated, is incompatible with vegan principles and the practice of compassionate living.


http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qaeggs.htm


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7573272 - 10/29/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Moth, apparently A cow gives milk for about a little less than a year after giving birth, and it slowly declines.

I think that if someone can think of a way to make vegan cheese without milk (using natural veg rennet), then we'd never have to worry about it again.

Here's an informative page on rennet:

http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-5567.html


Edited by jonathan_206 (10/29/07 03:06 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMOTH
Wild Woman
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 23,431
Loc: In the jungle
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7573318 - 10/29/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I did some research of my own and found out that some organic farmers are using "microbes" instead of rennet to make the cheese.

Thanks for the link...the cheese thing has been on my mind lately. I just don't know if I can ever enjoy it again knowing it's made out of enzymes taken from a stomach of a cow or a pig. That's kinda gross.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7573339 - 10/29/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Theres no need for rennet. The Hindus make cheese by combining 2-3 parts of hot milk with 1 part of yoghurt. At these ratios the pH cancels out and the curd separates from the whey.

Pour through a cloth, compress to a lump and presto, there's fresh cheese. If you worked hygienically you can age it to cheeses we know.

I did this myself, it works.

Alternatively you can add vinegar to hot milk - same effect.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMOTH
Wild Woman
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 23,431
Loc: In the jungle
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7573342 - 10/29/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yay! I just found out that my most favorite type of cheese to eat at home (boursin) does not contain rennet. Phew.

Quote:

Boursin FAQ’s

What is Gournay Cheese?
When Francois Boursin first sold his creation, he was asked to classify it for customs purposes. He chose the name "Gournay" for his cheese, naming it for the small town in France where he grew up.

Today, every package of Boursin® is labeled "All Natural Gournay Cheese," the legal standard of identity for Boursin.

Back to Top

Is Boursin kosher?
A reflection of the highest quality standards, Boursin's Garlic & Fine Herbs, Pepper, Shallot & Chive, Fig, Raisin & Nut, Cranberry Pepper (holiday item) and Garlic and Fine Herbs Toppers are certified kosher by the Orthodox Union.

Back to Top

Why is Boursin wrapped in foil?
Boursin's unique packaging was designed to keep Boursin fresh, make it easy to unwrap and rewrap, and make an attractive presentation on a cheese board.

Back to Top

Is Boursin gluten free?
Yes, all Boursin flavors are gluten free.

Back to Top

Do any of the Boursin products contain allergens?
All of the Boursin products contain milk and Boursin Fig, Raisin & Nut contains milk and nuts.

Back to Top

What does the Best Before date mean?
The Best Before date is located on the top of the package. It is the date the product must be purchased by to ensure optimum freshness.

Back to Top

Can Boursin be frozen?
Freezing Boursin is not recommended.

Back to Top

Why doesn’t my store carry all of the Boursin Flavors?
Each store decides which flavors it will carry. If you are looking for a particular flavor, ask the Deli Manager about ordering it.

Back to Top

What type of milk is used?
Cow’s milk is used in the production of Boursin cheeses.

Back to Top

Does Boursin contain rennet?
Boursin cheeses do not contain any type of rennet.









I'm kinda relieved. I can see myself giving up all cheeses that use rennet. Maybe I'm not ready to go pure vegan though, because admittedly I love boursin cheese on rosemary crackers.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMOTH
Wild Woman
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 23,431
Loc: In the jungle
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7573346 - 10/29/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Theres no need for rennet. The Hindus make cheese by combining 2-3 parts of hot milk with 1 part of yoghurt. At these ratios the pH cancels out and the curd separates from the whey.

Pour through a cloth, compress to a lump and presto, there's fresh cheese. If you worked hygienically you can age it to cheeses we know.

I did this myself, it works.

Alternatively you can add vinegar to hot milk - same effect.




That's exciting. I can't wait to possibly make my own cheese one day.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaggotz


Registered: 06/24/06
Posts: 7,539
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7573370 - 10/29/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that's aweful man. even when they had already skinned the animals alive they just threw in the pile still alive. can't they just kill them first at least?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBoom
just a tester
Male
Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 11,252
Loc: Cypress Creek
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7573380 - 10/29/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That seems like an extreme example used for shock value


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJunkFood
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/02/06
Posts: 7,258
Loc: NYC
Last seen: 2 years, 6 months
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Boom]
    #7573491 - 10/29/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Boom said:
That seems like an extreme example used for shock value




You don't think the fur farm that footage was taken on does that regularly?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleChiefGreenLeaf

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 1,596
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
    #7573618 - 10/29/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wiccan Seeker what is the name of that song in your vid. I love it, but it sure is going to bring up some bad images now.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
    #7573654 - 10/29/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)
Log in to view attachment

Quote:

You don't think the fur farm that footage was taken on does that regularly?




The fur farm is in China. Someone heard of the atrocities, took a cam and shot that on a random day. (a lot of other equally bad stuff too, including dogs) As you see, no effort is taken to shoo off the cameraman. It was normal, run-of-the-mill practice there. The flayer is obviously "just doing his job" as he considers it.


Quote:

Wiccan Seeker what is the name of that song in your vid. I love it, but it sure is going to bring up some bad images now.





It's "The Unforgiven" (original from Metallica) performed on 4 chello's by Apocalyptica. It has anger, despair but overall sadness, which I found fitting. I'll attach it.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaggotz


Registered: 06/24/06
Posts: 7,539
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7573668 - 10/29/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

apocalyptica is awesome. :rockon:


what do they do with the carcasses?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: maggotz]
    #7573736 - 10/29/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

what do they do with the carcasses?





In a fox fur farm they feed the carcasses to the other animals.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdom
Totally Nude
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 10,877
Loc: Way Up North
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
    #7573776 - 10/29/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am, I pay my local government what I can afford to give in time and money.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLeanin
Student of theIron Game
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/18/06
Posts: 2,231
Last seen: 10 years, 7 months
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7573830 - 10/29/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jonathan_206 said:
Quote:



Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower. Then I come and read your post. :smile:

Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer? What if they don't constantly rebreed them? If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer?

I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding. I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked. Such a thing has to exist....I hope.




I think that if you got a cow of your own and took care of it, and it gave milk that would be just fine. I don't know however how long a cow's milking period is. Maybe they milk their whole life, just not as much as when they're nursing. I think though that you would have to have it give birth to start with, that's my honest guess. But you know there are some pretty good vegan cheese out there. The follow your heart brand I think is pretty good, at least the mozzerella. Once more people become vegans then food will get better. But I was reading that
there is a vegetable derived rennet, and I am hoping someday perhaps a vegan cheese can be made of it.

Cheese is a tough point for a lot of people to become vegans. It's really a drug, like meat. It seriously is. I don't remember all the facts about it, but it's physically addictive from what I remember. Eating vegan just isn't the same. In my opinion, it can be better, or it can be worse. It all depends on how you go about it.

You could get a little goat, and milk it. But you might have to again make it give birth.

I think I have a few recipes for vegan cheese. Pm me if you would like them.


leanin:

Quote:

I trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.





You hunt down and kill innocent animals for recreation?

This is exactly why I hate hunting. Because it's a cop out when people say they do it just for food. If you were really concerned about food, you wouldn't have spent all that money on hunting supplies permits gas to go hunt down an innocent animal for fun.

It's totally insane for people to behave the way they do in this thread towards vegetarianism and then not expect vegans to be mad at you. You are behaving like absolute scum. It's outrageous.

Why do you feel the need to post videos of animal torture videos in contempt for veganism? That is wicked. You are doing it to the offense of others. Because deep down, you know it's wrong the way you're behaving, and selfish.And so you lash out.

I don't look down on meat eaters, if they have a good attitude. But the attitudes I see here are rotten. You provoke others, and cause much hurt. You disregard animals feelings and the sanctity of life. And then when they get mad, you call them peta freaks.

First, wake up and realize that you are a living creature, and that all life is sacred and worth consideration and they need compassion and mercy and they feel pain like you do. Then, stop stereotyping people and acting like immature jerks, trying to show how tough you are because you can watch an animal being killed or kill an animal. It's pathetic, and you know it takes a lot more courage to take blows then to deliver them.

It takes a lot more courage to wake up, and not shut your eyes to the cruelty and bitterness of this world, to stand up and work to do something about it, even when it's so overwhelming.




i dont care what you say, you arent going to stop humans from doing something they have always done.

what have you done for wildlife lately? i know for a fact these animals mean more to me than you will ever know.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleChiefGreenLeaf

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 1,596
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
    #7574189 - 10/29/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has really upet me. People are so dumb too. I think we should live like the Native Americans...they held their prey in the highest respect. There is no excuse for the crulety however.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMitchnast
Toadmonger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/27/99
Posts: 8,656
Loc: Okanagan Flag
Last seen: 16 days, 7 hours
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7576769 - 10/30/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that first video is them killing and skinning tanukis :smile:
alot of people think tanuki are raccoons, but they are in fact wild dogs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJunkFood
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/02/06
Posts: 7,258
Loc: NYC
Last seen: 2 years, 6 months
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7576780 - 10/30/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They're not killing them, they're just skinning them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMitchnast
Toadmonger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/27/99
Posts: 8,656
Loc: Okanagan Flag
Last seen: 16 days, 7 hours
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
    #7576859 - 10/30/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well, thats Russians for ya.
where do you think those fuzzy hats come from?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdom
Totally Nude
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 10,877
Loc: Way Up North
Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
    #7577459 - 10/30/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ChiefGreenLeaf said:
This thread has really upet me. People are so dumb too. I think we should live like the Native Americans...they held their prey in the highest respect. There is no excuse for the crulety however.




BULLSHIT, what about cliff drives?

I've been on several sioux, lakota or what ever the fuck else they were called sights and they had lots of mass kills with bones they hadn't marrowed out. I bet all those broken bones, torn muscles and stretched muscles felt real good, real respectable way to treat bison. Drive em' off a cliff and cut what you need off.

I love native american culture and I'm fascinated by it. I know several areas they populated and even know a few trade routes, they were not some enlightened culture, they were closer to brutal.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Have you seen this video?
( 1 2 3 all )
Hawkeye3 3,991 47 11/02/05 04:45 PM
by Konnrade
* youtube movies
( 1 2 all )
lsdandfrisbee 5,835 22 04/25/06 10:45 AM
by cybrbeast
* I got someone fired at work. (for abusing animals) and am afraid.
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
MOTH 8,628 81 10/22/05 05:47 PM
by Dreamer987
* wearing fur?
( 1 2 all )
Delyrium 3,978 36 09/07/04 05:27 PM
by d33p
* Music Videos
( 1 2 all )
plexus 5,605 31 09/12/04 01:20 PM
by abhi
* Can't watch a video I downloaded LuNaTiX 558 3 05/07/06 10:55 AM
by OJK
* "White Rabbit" used in video game commercial
( 1 2 all )
LearyfanS 9,388 27 11/02/02 10:15 AM
by Papaver
* Getting High: History Of LSD video Helge 2,387 10 04/09/06 02:49 AM
by Skunk420

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
13,876 topic views. 3 members, 57 guests and 60 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 15 queries.