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Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry
#7564002 - 10/26/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been seeing a several Animal Rights videos recently and I'm completely appalled about the level of animal cruelty that's prevalent throughout the industries that exploit animals (meat, eggs, leather, fur, animal testing etc)
I'm looking into becoming a vegetarian because of the wake-up call I've gotten. Watch the documentary "Earthlings" and judge for yourself.
Critical mass was reached and I felt people should KNOW, so I made a YouTube video about fur just now, which is pretty damn disgusting but shows an everyday practice in the animal holocaust.
Here it is, it's pretty damn grisly so I wonder how long they're going to keep it up.
And it's the tip of the iceberg.. Unspeakable atrocities against animals are being committed in every city throughout the world. It's not that we eat meat and use animal products: it's the way we treat those animals every step of the way.
About that documentary, Earthlings.. Track it down and watch it. It will fuck you up but if you prefer reality over illusion, you got to know.
Here's a thread about animal cruelty. Any Vegans in da house?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564089 - 10/26/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't watch stuff like that. Makes me WAY to emotoinal. had to turn it off after a few seconds.
On a lighter note, i have taken to calling my dog Gnarls Barkley. Isn't that cute?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Dreamer987]
#7564151 - 10/26/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done my share of crying the past days watching those horrible videos, and even several times on remembering some of them. If you wonder why humans can be so cruel to one another, one needs only look at how we treat animals, from the meat on your plate to the leather of your shoes.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564155 - 10/26/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats horrible how anyone cant respect life is beyond me fucking sick
thanks for sharing
and why cant they atleast kill them initially in the most painless method possible? seriously...is it too much to ask? ugh I wanna do the same to them
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: mikeytro]
#7564364 - 10/26/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel that for many people it's good to have a confrontation moment. I've had several in the last days, and it really had me thinking, and I'm even moving in the direction of vegetarianism because of it.
Good things aren't always pleasant.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564407 - 10/26/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you made a video about the skinning of an animal.
this is something that happens to many animals every day that are not even used for the fur, but rather are eaten.
i eat bunny rabbits, they taste amazing with some rosemary some wine, and onions. Cook that stuff nice and slow and my friend you have some of the most delicious meat ever.
good things are not always pleasant in this respect as well.
how do you choose to single out the fur industry? is eating an animal no less cruel?
bear in mind that i am just playing devils advocate, and that i am against the poaching of fur animals, but not the production/raising of them.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: pong]
#7564420 - 10/26/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've currently transitioning away from eating any animal products. Everything nutritional that animal products supply a human being can be found in nuts, vegetables, seeds, fruits, and melons...and in a more sanitary and more easily digestible form.
I'm also never going to buy any material made from animals. Time to respect life.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564433 - 10/26/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bet you love peta after you see this. " http://petakillsanimals.com/
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: pong]
#7564440 - 10/26/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, you're not just being devils advocate, you're seriously being an insensetive jerk.
I couldn't even watch that whole thing, It just makes me too angry and disgusted. It makes me mad that I can't do anything to help relieve the pain and loss of life and hope of happiness. How can people do this sort of thing, and support it and then still try to hope for and talk about world of peace and love, where life and all living creatures are held sacred. Where all life is held in higher regard than a chunk of flesh to chew on, for your leather shoes and mink fur coat that you placed higher value than the creatures life.
I've been walking around my neighborhood recently, and I've seen how animals that have died and been trampled and run over by cars are left to rot openly in the streets. I walked down the other day and picked up a dead squirrel that was just laying in the alley, there had been a small mouse there just the day before. There was another dead squirrel that had been run over, it's guts burst from it's stomach, lying right in front of a persons house, laying there for days, still laying there, waiting for me to come clean up the mess that should have been dealt with days ago. Nobody cares about creatures anymore. Nobody really cares about the earth. Noone truly cares about peace, love and justice. I know the whole world is in this pit together, and if they truly were for these things, then the world would not be the way it is now.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564491 - 10/26/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i couldn't finish it either, great video, for getting the point across atleast, now i understand why ive never bought any fur of any type, and will now never shop at stores that sell any real fur.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7564568 - 10/26/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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 on the topic of killing animals my parents neighbor hood had a problem with some deranged person shooting everyones cats with a bbgun the cats would come back to the owners house after shot and died  the person killed around 5 cats or something and it wasn't even a kid, it was an adult and I guess it was because they had a garden. like WTF? cats dont even ruin gardens people are fucked
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: mikeytro]
#7564638 - 10/26/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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 on the topic of killing animals my parents neighbor hood had a problem with some deranged person shooting everyones cats with a bbgun the cats would come back to the owners house after shot and died  the person killed around 5 cats or something and it wasn't even a kid, it was an adult and I guess it was because they had a garden. like WTF? cats dont even ruin gardens people are fucked
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
#7564688 - 10/26/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok so cat shit is a legitimate reason to kill it?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Dreamer987]
#7564760 - 10/26/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dreamer987 said: I can't watch stuff like that. Makes me WAY to emotoinal. had to turn it off after a few seconds.
On a lighter note, i have taken to calling my dog Gnarls Barkley. Isn't that cute?
my 1yr old St.Bernard is named Barkley as well, alot of the time we call him bob though hahaha. horny bugger. always humping everything. fucking huge too
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564766 - 10/26/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I've been seeing a several Animal Rights videos recently and I'm completely appalled about the level of animal cruelty that's prevalent throughout the industries that exploit animals (meat, eggs, leather, fur, animal testing etc)
I'm looking into becoming a vegetarian because of the wake-up call I've gotten.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7564798 - 10/26/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man I couldn't finish watching it either. Made me so mad. Why can't they at least KILL IT for sure before chopping its legs off?
Altho it would be incredibly hard for me to stop eating meat (hell i'm way too skinny as it is), I always tend to make people wearing fur feel stupid. I will usualy try and call them out in public, maybe shame them a bit. It's getting a bit better, but not by much.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7565819 - 10/27/07 05:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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WS - I wrestle with the knowlwdge thatthe food I enjoy is steeped in misery and pain. I am too selfish to quit meat, but its worse when I think about the animals I am consuming, and horribly they had to die.
I wish some actor/singer would take up the call for animal rights. I dont think we should all move away from meat, but the abuse/cruelty is not a necessary part of the industry. There has to be a happy medium between veganism and holocuast.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
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the only thing i see wrong with it is the animals are not stunned humanely.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
#7565847 - 10/27/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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awwww.... dont let the wittle furry things be killed so violently.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7565858 - 10/27/07 05:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find it pretty sad that lots of people who eat meat can't watch this stuff. They can't watch the death of the animals that give them life. When you can face the truth and you don't find anything wrong with it then it's all good...
I don't eat meat but I eat dairy products because I recently went back to school and I can eat some veggie lunch there for free Otherwise I would have a very poor diet. But at least I know what I'm doing.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7565861 - 10/27/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard vegans taste like shit anyway.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7565912 - 10/27/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that shit is fucked up. wish they could just kill the poor little bastards before doing it.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7566050 - 10/27/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What took you so long!?
Are you a vegetarian JunkFood? If not, what's taking YOU so long Like with Plumpynuts its quite easy to stand at the sideline making comments, but not making the change yourself.
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awwww.... dont let the wittle furry things be killed so violently.
There's a huge difference between a lion tearing up a prey, or a cat playing with a mouse, and the way humanity victimize billions of animals each year. Go watch that documentary Earthlings, if only for shock value. For an internet person like yourself it is very easy to come by. Once you see an overview of what mankind does, you'll probably agree there's no comparing the two.
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people are fucked
Some people are, and we are sitting back and let them do their grisly things to animals so we can have our pork chops, our leather shoes and our cheap-ass egg with breakfast in the morning. With our buying of the products and not raising holy Hell about the atrocities, we are part of the crime.
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Altho it would be incredibly hard for me to stop eating meat (hell i'm way too skinny as it is)
Well I'm huge and I love eating meat also. Yes, it's going to be terribly hard to unlearn eating meat, but I'm going to try. If being skinny holds you back from considering vegetarianism, look into things like mixed roasted nuts with even higher caloric densities.
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I wrestle with the knowlwdge thatthe food I enjoy is steeped in misery and pain. I am too selfish to quit meat, but its worse when I think about the animals I am consuming, and horribly they had to die.
I think you're more like me, and that's resistant to change. Is it really in your best interest to eat meat of animals who lived short miserable lives and died horribly? They are pumped full of drugs all the time, and their conditions have them full of stress, anxiety and anguish hormones. You eat all of those too. Many of those factory farm animals lived with open festering wounds and huge puss filled abcesses, never eating the food thats right for them. That's all on your plate. Is it in your best interest to eat that?
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I find it pretty sad that lots of people who eat meat can't watch this stuff. They can't watch the death of the animals that give them life.
Aye. Taking responsibility means gathering knowledge and then deciding on that. Those videos are terrible, but they're the story behind what we eat.
If people want to eat meat I'm still not against that, but the meat should be from animals who lived worthwhile lives and were killed humanely by euthanasia injection. A tiny bit of sedative or opiate in the meat, which often is a human approved pharmaceutical, won't in any way adversely impact the quality of the meat but for the animal it would be a tremendous difference between falling into a deep sleep or, like happens to many many thousands of pigs each year, being dazed by having a steel peg jabbed up your brain, and then drowned in boiling water intended to remove skin and bristles.
At the moment I'm in a transitional period. I've replaced the meat in my diet by eating trawled up fish. That is wrong too, but those fish at least lived natural lives in the ocean before they were scooped up by a net. I'm unsure about milk and cheese though, soy milk just is rancid. *shudders* My next pair of shoes won't be leather. I'm going to try to gradually get out of the loop of the factory farms and other animal cruelty.
I don't know if I'll succeed, but I AM gonna try dammit
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566063 - 10/27/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was only in the last 2-3 years that I took serious steps in recognizing that I did not want to eat flesh anymore, of any type of creature. The defining moment was when I was tripping on shrooms and decided to bake a chicken because I felt hungry. There was nothing so unappetizing when I was losing my ego, let me tell you. I never baked it and instead threw it away. Even then, it's taken me a long time to retrain my brain about devouring flesh. To this day I still crave BBQ roast beef, and I'm sure out of habit at Thanksgiving I'll desire turkey, but I know for a fact that it makes my belly feel unhappy and heavy when I eat it, so I will abstain and stick to yummy vegetables, fruits, nuts instead. I love mashed potatoes and green beans, but I had to retrain my mind to desire that instead of craving the heavy stuff. It's a process, let me tell you, to undo years of embedded desire, but our minds are trainable and adaptable, so I just think of it as reteaching myself the proper (proper for me) foods to eat.
However, I don't judge people for eating meat; my partner still loves it so I only try to get free-range meat, where the animals are allowed to be free and forage before slaughter. Also if I were living in the wild, I might have to kill an animal simply to survive. I see nothing wrong with that.
However, I no longer feel comfortable wearing leather because I've given up flesh (seems to be a side-effect) and I do get sick when I think of how all the animals are treated by humanity simply to fulfill a consumptive desire that seems like a black hole.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7566076 - 10/27/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As for cheese...I am somewhat addicted to it. I enjoy it and whenever I go off a fast and readjust to food, I'll probably eat some eventually. Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it. And even though I avoid dairy like the plague, for some reason I still love cheese. Working on that...hehe. My goal is to eventually adjust to a monkey diet, of pure raw fruits, nuts and vegetables. I believe I'm making good progress since the fast presses the reset button on your relationship with food. But hey, it's a process.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7566089 - 10/27/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Somehow I always pictured you as a vegetarian Moth, I kind of expected you to be one though I don't recall you posting about it before.
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.
Alas Many milking cows are kept their entire lives (which tends to be 4 years, while wild cows live to be 20yo) in tight crates in barns in a miserable existence to provide that milk. At the end of their lives their bodies are usually considered unsuitable for slaughter.
Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.
I guess its expensive eco cheese for us
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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Somehow I always pictured you as a vegetarian Moth, I kind of expected you to be one though I don't recall you posting about it before.
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.
Alas Many milking cows are kept their entire lives (which tends to be 4 years, while wild cows live to be 20yo) in tight crates in barns in a miserable existence to provide that milk. At the end of their lives their bodies are usually considered unsuitable for slaughter.
Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.
I guess its expensive eco cheese for us
yeah, I don't know if you have a Whole Foods where you are at, but I love mine. If I eat, it's only organically now. I like eating cheese that comes from a cow grazed on grass. IN fact, now that we're talking about it, I have a fantasy of owning a cow and letting it roam in my pastures while I make homemade cheese out of its milk. Someday...
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566157 - 10/27/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah. Some people do mean stuff to animals, so I shouldn't eat meat to make a point? Is that the theme here?
I have blood on my hands from this mornings pheasant hunt, these birds sure are going to taste good for supper. One was shot in the wing and dropped from the sky, my dog chased it down and brought it back to me alive, I had to break it's neck with my hands so it wouldn't fly out of my game bag.
A couple weeks back I helped a friend butcher a hog. We raised him by his rear legs, he was still alive, then I took out a a .22 and killed it with one well placed shot. My friend then cut it's jugular, a couple hundred gallons of blood then poured out all over his gravel driveway. Then we skinned, loin-ed and quartered it. I wish I had a bacon press, I can almost smell it sizzling.
Another day I went to a customer of mines farm, I had to look over his corn, he had root worm this season and it's always my fault so I wanted to check out the area and see what he applied to the soil this year. While I was there I got to take a look at his 5,000 head dairy operation. It seems his animals spend all day in the pasture and are brought in his milking system 2 times a day to be milked, they live off grass, alfalfa and corn rubble mixed with molasses. No cages, whips, chains or medieval torture devices at that place.
A couple times a week I drive by the largest mink-farm in the country and the family who owns it are huge in the fur industry, it's not pretty but it sure as hell isn't animal torture..
The point of my stories is that the morons that are making these movies and the ignorant bovine swine who run PETA have no diea what happens on farms. I've been to thousands in the mid-west were this is the big business and I have yet to see anything like the crap posted online. If word got out around here about any of that shit, you can bet your life that hell would be raised.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
#7566175 - 10/27/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot more money goes to helping the animals from legal hunting.Then peta gives to helping. It's illegal hunting, that gives hunting a bad name.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
#7566188 - 10/27/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I donate my time and money to the DNR of my state, I was hunting legally & I know where the money funnels are.
What about the money that goes to PETA? Where are those millions going?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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wouldn't it make more sense to kill the animal before it is skinned? it would thrash around less if it were dead. that was the most fucked up part.
they should at least kill the animals quickly before they process them.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
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I passed it the first time since I figured it was some stupid animal torture video I wouldn't want to see again.
TODAY, I don't know where the fuck these videos come from but that isn't how it works, I've been on several kill floors, from TYSON, to IBP, JOHN MORRELL, and Sara Lee, it's nothing glamorous but the animals are raised for food and are killed quickly and efficiently, that stuff posted doesn't make sense, it's dangerous for humans first off and second it is cruel.
Notice the skin color of those people, not to be racist but that is definitly not a regulated country, it reaks of 3rd world insanity.
Yup, U.S.A. is the shitty country for having law.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
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They just took it down, LOL.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: TODAY]
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Some people do mean stuff to animals, so I shouldn't eat meat to make a point? Is that the theme here?
The theme is to treat animals humanely. By not eating meat from factory farms (and factory farms are the cause of most of these atrocities, not traditional farms), you decrease the market for their products, to which they can only respond by "producing" less animals. Not eating factory farmed meat saves animals agony. That's more than making a point, it's tangible results.
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wouldn't it make more sense to kill the animal before it is skinned? it would thrash around less if it were dead. that was the most fucked up part.
they should at least kill the animals quickly before they process them.
Absolutely. Dispatching animals by euthanasia by means of an inoculation gun is quicker and about as cheap as the furfarm practice of letting the animal bite down on one electrode, shoving the other electrode up the animal's ass and passing a current through it, often several times, until it is dead.
It works for livestock too, if you use a substance similar to Remifentanyl the drug will after the animal has died completely decompose by blood enzymes to pharmacologically inactive compounds even during the processing. All this cruelty is totally unneccessary even if you continue the practice of animal exploitation.
Like I said at YouTube, fur farms are totally unneccesary period. Synthetic furs can be just as beautiful as the real thing, can be cleaned better, comes in colors, patterns and shapes that animals cannot provide and this at a far lower cost. Eating meat I can relate to, but in this day and age fur farms are completely unneeded and nothing more than a source of endless animal suffering.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
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Adom, I definitely figured the people in those videos are third worlders. They are slaughtering those animals in a field of dirt, from old dirty trucks, and they are brown skinned...I know that's not how most of the industry works.
That's sick stuff, but people are treated with ill-regard in those countries sometimes too. In countries where human life isn't worth a shit nobody can expect animals to be treated well.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566261 - 10/27/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I happen to agree with you, and I know it looks like I personally insulted you but that wasn't directed at you.
I just have a bad taste in my mouth left over from putting up with vegan PETA hippies. They were brainwashed, not informed.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566520 - 10/27/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.
I guess its expensive eco cheese for us
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MOTH said: yeah, I don't know if you have a Whole Foods where you are at, but I love mine. If I eat, it's only organically now. I like eating cheese that comes from a cow grazed on grass. 
Although I do believe that Whole Foods has tried to find not atrocious farms:
What is the vegan position on free-range eggs?
"Free-range" is not a legal industry term; therefore it is essentially meaningless. Farmers use the term to imply that they practice a more humane standard of production but, in reality, there is no regulation regarding how the word is interpreted or used. Although most consumers imagine free-range hens have access to the outdoors with plenty of sunlight, vegetation, and normal social interaction, to most egg producers, the "range" is simply a bigger cage than those in which battery-caged hens are kept.
Free-range egg farming is, above all else, a business. Consequently, profit surpasses concern for the animals' comfort, welfare, or behavioral needs. In addition, it is common for free-range layers to be debeaked just like battery-caged layers.
But even if free-range hens were treated with kindness and given all the space they could use, they will still be killed for meat when their egg production wanes, usually after one or two years, even though in a natural environment a hen could live fifteen years. And, like all other animals raised for food, they will be subjected to the horrors and abuses of transportation, handling, and slaughter.
An inherent problem with all egg production, whether free-range or battery-caged, is the disposal of unwanted male chicks at the hatchery. Because male chicks don't lay eggs and do not grow fast enough to be raised profitably for meat, they are deemed a financial liability, except for the few used as rooster studs. On average, one rooster is used to service ten hens. Hence, nine out of ten male chicks are considered virtually useless and will be killed by the cheapest means available, including suffocation and being ground up alive.
No matter what words or systems are used to candy coat animal production, when we treat sentient beings as commodities we invariably invite abuse. From a vegan perspective, the use of animals for human profit or gain, regardless of how they are raised or treated, is incompatible with vegan principles and the practice of compassionate living.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566576 - 10/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What the fuck kind of animal is that? Poor little guy just keels over at the end
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7566738 - 10/27/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've watched so many of those videos, and videos from shelters putting animals down that I can't even count. It doesn't get any easier to watch though - it's simply terrible. I've been volunteering for animal rescue groups for a couple of years now, and some of the stories I've heard and things I've witnessed first hand keep me awake at night and give me nightmares.
For instance, here is a link to one of the dogs we have for adoption right now, he's just a puppy. http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=917766&do_count=1
and here is a link to the pictures that were taken of him when he first arrived at our hospital.
http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=91aystyn.5tmmh3mn&Uy=4qalqh&Ux=0
some teenagers used him as a "bait dog" for some fighting dogs.
About 2 weeks ago we found a home for a puppy named Barney. He was turned into the shelter by his owners who didn't want him anymore, and as a parting gift, they decided to attempt to cut off his tail. It got terribly infected, but he was nursed back to health.
Oh, and here is a link to Dominic, who is still up for adoption. His owners turned him in, and he's in simply terrible shape. That thing that looks like a Ball sack on his chin is actually a cyst or some sort of tumor - they let him live like that for about 3 years without doing a damned thing about it. They also turned in their other basset hound, Nina. Both have terrible eye infections and are severely malnourished - they were starved, nearly to death.
http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=917796&do_count=1
Oh, and here's Leon, who will always be in pain and walk with a limp, because someone shot him in the damn elbow.
http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/pet_details?pet_id=888100&do_count=1
And Buck...poor Buck. He got hit by a car, and about a month later, his owner surrendered him to the shelter because he "wasn't doing well". I guess that's what happens when you try to fix a shattered leg by wrapping it in fucking duct tape. Buck had his leg amputated and got adopted.
Oh - and then there's Timmy. Our shelter volunteers were sitting in front of the shelter having a smoke, when a car slowed down and caught their eye. They thought it was going to turn into the parking lot...instead, it sped back up, the window rolled down, and they tossed Timmy out the window, onto the highway. The impact shattered his femur, and he needed extensive surgery.
Rascal was a tiny little papillion whose owner kicked him in the face repeatedly until he shattered his jaw.


Emma, the first dog I ever fostered, was a tiny beagle puppy who is mostly paralyzed from the waist down, and has no control of her bodily functions because somebody shot her in the back twice, and left her to die in a ditch. They did it because "she wouldn't hunt".




I really could go on and on. My point is that there are some really fucking awful people in this world, and all we can do is try to get the word out there about what is going on. With enough outraged people, maybe these things will stop....or at least not happen so often?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Liz]
#7566752 - 10/27/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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To You.
This stuff does bother me but I never feel I should express it, I try to appear cold as ice as the stuff is in my face for a living and the weak aren't respected in my business.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7567485 - 10/27/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's a huge difference between a lion tearing up a prey, or a cat playing with a mouse, and the way humanity victimize billions of animals each year.
no there isnt. we are animals just like a lion is. you think that the prey was dead before it got its intestines ripped from it? you think that entire limbs werent ripped away while the animal could feel it?
you live in a delusional reality. you have some stigma attached to the idea that humans are somehow better than animals, that we are above animal behaviour. understand the word humane.... then maybe you will understand the word inhumane merely means to "act like an animal". we are animals.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7567701 - 10/27/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Syle said: actually, most large predatory felines suffocate their prey. i was watching this cool documentary on em.
a lot of animals they find in the wild that were killed by big cats have zero puncture or scratch marks on em. rather, they find that the animal suffocated. cats take a hold of your throat with their mouth, and then push their incisor teeth down behind your wind pipe where a large arterial (not sure if arterial is the right term) vein or something is that is the main roller coaster for the blood to your brain. they bite down just hard enough to close that vein off. so you just pass out and then eventually die. saw it on national geographic a while ago.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7567710 - 10/27/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Besides, having all your skin ripped off is actually a lot different than being mauled to death.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: SneezingPenis]
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awwww.... dont let the wittle furry things be killed so violently.
Do you really think you've spoken in love? Do you really think what you've shown is accurate? It's not. It's rude and heartless.
Just because there is death and suffering in this world does not mean we should be promoting or creating more death and suffering. We should be working to cause the least harm as we reasonably can. One person can make a lot of difference in the world if they work at it.
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.
Actually both cheese and milk require the suffering of animals. Rennet isn't easy to come by, and some cheeses don't have them I think, but rennet must be taken from the stomach of bovine and other animals, ( like goats) Milk causes animal suffering because Cattle only give milk for so long naturally. farmers force them to breed so that their milk giving period is extended. If it is a male cow they are often taken when young and put in small pens where they cannot move for long periods and made into veal.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7569440 - 10/28/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.
Actually both cheese and milk require the suffering of animals. Rennet isn't easy to come by, and some cheeses don't have them I think, but rennet must be taken from the stomach of bovine and other animals, ( like goats) Milk causes animal suffering because Cattle only give milk for so long naturally. farmers force them to breed so that their milk giving period is extended. If it is a male cow they are often taken when young and put in small pens where they cannot move for long periods and made into veal.
Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower. Then I come and read your post. 
Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer? What if they don't constantly rebreed them? If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer?
I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding. I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked. Such a thing has to exist....I hope.
If I knew more about cheese and milk production (from RESPONSIBLE nonforceful free-range farmers) then maybe I could make up my mind on the topic.
Either way, I won't be eating any cheese for the next twenty-twenty five days anyway. But I do want to educate myself and do what's best for nature.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7569452 - 10/28/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leeee deeerrrr
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
#7569480 - 10/28/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone has different priorities in life.
I know you're a hunter Adom, and I respect that. I was with my dad at age 7 when he shot and killed a deer and then butchered it in front of me and my little brothers to feed us the meat. I loved venison. My grandfather used to take us trapping for rabbits and we ate the meat and hearts. My aunts and uncles have the huge heads of all kinds of creatures all throughout their house as well as an extensive bow collection, which they use exclusively to hunt. They have the pelt of a bear that they killed laying on their living room floor. You see, I'm not a stranger to that lifestyle of hunting for game. I grew up around it. I was offered a rifle when I hit age 12. If I was in different circumstances where food was scarce and I needed to hunt to survive, I wouldn't hesitate to do so. (One of my favorite shows on DVD is 'Survivorman'.)
I guess...as I got older I grew seperated from that lifestyle, in body and in mind. It's just not for me. That doesn't mean I think hunters or meat-lovers are cold-blooded killers though; quite the contrary. It is what it is. Different strokes for different folks. Animals kill other animals for food. So what. I can accept that, but I just choose to live differently.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7569655 - 10/28/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.
its necessary, mange is a big problem around here for yotes/fox/coon.
trappers and hunters care about the animals more than any PETA freak would. we actually give money to game commissions/wildlife organizations that help preserve land and resources for the animals.
PETA would rather hurt their cause by spending money on their special interests, or acting totally radical rather than actually helping the animals.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7569691 - 10/28/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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eh, im gonna be performing surgeries on animals soon so that video didnt really disgust or repulse me in any way.
anybody who eats meat but cant face these videos are goddamn pussies. if you're gonna eat an animal, then you gotta be man enough to kill it. sorry, but thats just the way it goes.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7569713 - 10/28/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have my respect 
It's funny PETA booths used to follow Phish around, they pray on the gullible.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Crystal G]
#7569739 - 10/28/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh yeah, heres another video of dogs getting gassed to death in shelters
yeah. i have no soul.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Crystal G]
#7569783 - 10/28/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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PETA is a bunch of radical freaks. they attack hunters/fisherman/trappers every year. they go about their cause in the wrong way and in the wrong areas.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7569903 - 10/28/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not to sound like a redneck, but I felt like I should contribute to the special collection of animal cruelty videos I have saved on my favorites list on youtube.
now now, before you pansies go all out and start crying, dont worry justice has been served on both ends:
aw hell. i dont give a fuck. i AM a redneck trapped in an asian girls body. it is AWESOME on both ends and i dont give a fuck what you guys say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7569933 - 10/28/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no difference between animal cruelty nad human cruelty: Both can feel pain. That doesn't mean it's not right to kill animals for uses; but what's not right is making them suffer.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
#7569994 - 10/28/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where's the line drawn?
I hook fish in the mouth by tricking them into thinking they are eating food and then battling them through the water, this probably isn't pleasent from the fishes perspective but I sure enjoy it. Sometimes I take one home with me for supper, sometimes they sufficate and die before I get my knife to their head, . I supose I could club them over the head but that makes me feel bad, why oh why?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
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Adom said: Where's the line drawn?
You could start by being against an animal having its skin ripped off.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7572850 - 10/29/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower. Then I come and read your post. 
Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer? What if they don't constantly rebreed them? If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer?
I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding. I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked. Such a thing has to exist....I hope.
I think that if you got a cow of your own and took care of it, and it gave milk that would be just fine. I don't know however how long a cow's milking period is. Maybe they milk their whole life, just not as much as when they're nursing. I think though that you would have to have it give birth to start with, that's my honest guess. But you know there are some pretty good vegan cheese out there. The follow your heart brand I think is pretty good, at least the mozzerella. Once more people become vegans then food will get better. But I was reading that there is a vegetable derived rennet, and I am hoping someday perhaps a vegan cheese can be made of it.
Cheese is a tough point for a lot of people to become vegans. It's really a drug, like meat. It seriously is. I don't remember all the facts about it, but it's physically addictive from what I remember. Eating vegan just isn't the same. In my opinion, it can be better, or it can be worse. It all depends on how you go about it.
You could get a little goat, and milk it. But you might have to again make it give birth.
I think I have a few recipes for vegan cheese. Pm me if you would like them.
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I trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.
You hunt down and kill innocent animals for recreation?
This is exactly why I hate hunting. Because it's a cop out when people say they do it just for food. If you were really concerned about food, you wouldn't have spent all that money on hunting supplies permits gas to go hunt down an innocent animal for fun.
It's totally insane for people to behave the way they do in this thread towards vegetarianism and then not expect vegans to be mad at you. You are behaving like absolute scum. It's outrageous.
Why do you feel the need to post videos of animal torture videos in contempt for veganism? That is wicked. You are doing it to the offense of others. Because deep down, you know it's wrong the way you're behaving, and selfish.And so you lash out.
I don't look down on meat eaters, if they have a good attitude. But the attitudes I see here are rotten. You provoke others, and cause much hurt. You disregard animals feelings and the sanctity of life. And then when they get mad, you call them peta freaks.
First, wake up and realize that you are a living creature, and that all life is sacred and worth consideration and they need compassion and mercy and they feel pain like you do. Then, stop stereotyping people and acting like immature jerks, trying to show how tough you are because you can watch an animal being killed or kill an animal. It's pathetic, and you know it takes a lot more courage to take blows then to deliver them.
It takes a lot more courage to wake up, and not shut your eyes to the cruelty and bitterness of this world, to stand up and work to do something about it, even when it's so overwhelming.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7572861 - 10/29/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MOTH said: Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer?
What is the vegan position on free-range eggs?
"Free-range" is not a legal industry term; therefore it is essentially meaningless. Farmers use the term to imply that they practice a more humane standard of production but, in reality, there is no regulation regarding how the word is interpreted or used. Although most consumers imagine free-range hens have access to the outdoors with plenty of sunlight, vegetation, and normal social interaction, to most egg producers, the "range" is simply a bigger cage than those in which battery-caged hens are kept.
Free-range egg farming is, above all else, a business. Consequently, profit surpasses concern for the animals' comfort, welfare, or behavioral needs. In addition, it is common for free-range layers to be debeaked just like battery-caged layers.
But even if free-range hens were treated with kindness and given all the space they could use, they will still be killed for meat when their egg production wanes, usually after one or two years, even though in a natural environment a hen could live fifteen years. And, like all other animals raised for food, they will be subjected to the horrors and abuses of transportation, handling, and slaughter.
An inherent problem with all egg production, whether free-range or battery-caged, is the disposal of unwanted male chicks at the hatchery. Because male chicks don't lay eggs and do not grow fast enough to be raised profitably for meat, they are deemed a financial liability, except for the few used as rooster studs. On average, one rooster is used to service ten hens. Hence, nine out of ten male chicks are considered virtually useless and will be killed by the cheapest means available, including suffocation and being ground up alive.
No matter what words or systems are used to candy coat animal production, when we treat sentient beings as commodities we invariably invite abuse. From a vegan perspective, the use of animals for human profit or gain, regardless of how they are raised or treated, is incompatible with vegan principles and the practice of compassionate living.
http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qaeggs.htm
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7573272 - 10/29/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moth, apparently A cow gives milk for about a little less than a year after giving birth, and it slowly declines.
I think that if someone can think of a way to make vegan cheese without milk (using natural veg rennet), then we'd never have to worry about it again.
Here's an informative page on rennet:
http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-5567.html
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7573318 - 10/29/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did some research of my own and found out that some organic farmers are using "microbes" instead of rennet to make the cheese.
Thanks for the link...the cheese thing has been on my mind lately. I just don't know if I can ever enjoy it again knowing it's made out of enzymes taken from a stomach of a cow or a pig. That's kinda gross.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7573339 - 10/29/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres no need for rennet. The Hindus make cheese by combining 2-3 parts of hot milk with 1 part of yoghurt. At these ratios the pH cancels out and the curd separates from the whey.
Pour through a cloth, compress to a lump and presto, there's fresh cheese. If you worked hygienically you can age it to cheeses we know.
I did this myself, it works.
Alternatively you can add vinegar to hot milk - same effect.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7573342 - 10/29/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yay! I just found out that my most favorite type of cheese to eat at home (boursin) does not contain rennet. Phew.
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Boursin FAQ’s
What is Gournay Cheese? When Francois Boursin first sold his creation, he was asked to classify it for customs purposes. He chose the name "Gournay" for his cheese, naming it for the small town in France where he grew up.
Today, every package of Boursin® is labeled "All Natural Gournay Cheese," the legal standard of identity for Boursin.
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Is Boursin kosher? A reflection of the highest quality standards, Boursin's Garlic & Fine Herbs, Pepper, Shallot & Chive, Fig, Raisin & Nut, Cranberry Pepper (holiday item) and Garlic and Fine Herbs Toppers are certified kosher by the Orthodox Union.
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Why is Boursin wrapped in foil? Boursin's unique packaging was designed to keep Boursin fresh, make it easy to unwrap and rewrap, and make an attractive presentation on a cheese board.
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Is Boursin gluten free? Yes, all Boursin flavors are gluten free.
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Do any of the Boursin products contain allergens? All of the Boursin products contain milk and Boursin Fig, Raisin & Nut contains milk and nuts.
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What does the Best Before date mean? The Best Before date is located on the top of the package. It is the date the product must be purchased by to ensure optimum freshness.
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Can Boursin be frozen? Freezing Boursin is not recommended.
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Why doesn’t my store carry all of the Boursin Flavors? Each store decides which flavors it will carry. If you are looking for a particular flavor, ask the Deli Manager about ordering it.
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What type of milk is used? Cow’s milk is used in the production of Boursin cheeses.
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Does Boursin contain rennet? Boursin cheeses do not contain any type of rennet.
I'm kinda relieved. I can see myself giving up all cheeses that use rennet. Maybe I'm not ready to go pure vegan though, because admittedly I love boursin cheese on rosemary crackers.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7573346 - 10/29/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Theres no need for rennet. The Hindus make cheese by combining 2-3 parts of hot milk with 1 part of yoghurt. At these ratios the pH cancels out and the curd separates from the whey.
Pour through a cloth, compress to a lump and presto, there's fresh cheese. If you worked hygienically you can age it to cheeses we know.
I did this myself, it works.
Alternatively you can add vinegar to hot milk - same effect.
That's exciting. I can't wait to possibly make my own cheese one day.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7573370 - 10/29/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's aweful man. even when they had already skinned the animals alive they just threw in the pile still alive. can't they just kill them first at least?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7573380 - 10/29/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That seems like an extreme example used for shock value
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Boom]
#7573491 - 10/29/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Boom said: That seems like an extreme example used for shock value
You don't think the fur farm that footage was taken on does that regularly?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7573618 - 10/29/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan Seeker what is the name of that song in your vid. I love it, but it sure is going to bring up some bad images now.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
#7573654 - 10/29/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You don't think the fur farm that footage was taken on does that regularly?
The fur farm is in China. Someone heard of the atrocities, took a cam and shot that on a random day. (a lot of other equally bad stuff too, including dogs) As you see, no effort is taken to shoo off the cameraman. It was normal, run-of-the-mill practice there. The flayer is obviously "just doing his job" as he considers it.
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Wiccan Seeker what is the name of that song in your vid. I love it, but it sure is going to bring up some bad images now.
It's "The Unforgiven" (original from Metallica) performed on 4 chello's by Apocalyptica. It has anger, despair but overall sadness, which I found fitting. I'll attach it.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7573668 - 10/29/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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apocalyptica is awesome. 
what do they do with the carcasses?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: maggotz]
#7573736 - 10/29/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what do they do with the carcasses?
In a fox fur farm they feed the carcasses to the other animals.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
#7573776 - 10/29/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am, I pay my local government what I can afford to give in time and money.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7573830 - 10/29/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jonathan, thanks for replying, I was just thinking about my liking for cheese and whether or not I should attempt to retrain my brain about that a few moments ago while taking a shower. Then I come and read your post. 
Does organic/local farm/free-range cheese also make the animal suffer? What if they don't constantly rebreed them? If I got a cow and milked it every once in awhile to make homemade cheese, would that make the animal suffer?
I am not talking about mass cheese production, where no doubt the farmers force cows to produce milk by excessive breeding. I'm talking about conscious milk production where the cows produce milk naturally and then it is milked. Such a thing has to exist....I hope.
I think that if you got a cow of your own and took care of it, and it gave milk that would be just fine. I don't know however how long a cow's milking period is. Maybe they milk their whole life, just not as much as when they're nursing. I think though that you would have to have it give birth to start with, that's my honest guess. But you know there are some pretty good vegan cheese out there. The follow your heart brand I think is pretty good, at least the mozzerella. Once more people become vegans then food will get better. But I was reading that there is a vegetable derived rennet, and I am hoping someday perhaps a vegan cheese can be made of it.
Cheese is a tough point for a lot of people to become vegans. It's really a drug, like meat. It seriously is. I don't remember all the facts about it, but it's physically addictive from what I remember. Eating vegan just isn't the same. In my opinion, it can be better, or it can be worse. It all depends on how you go about it.
You could get a little goat, and milk it. But you might have to again make it give birth.
I think I have a few recipes for vegan cheese. Pm me if you would like them.
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I trap every winter for money/recreation/damage control for farmers.
You hunt down and kill innocent animals for recreation?
This is exactly why I hate hunting. Because it's a cop out when people say they do it just for food. If you were really concerned about food, you wouldn't have spent all that money on hunting supplies permits gas to go hunt down an innocent animal for fun.
It's totally insane for people to behave the way they do in this thread towards vegetarianism and then not expect vegans to be mad at you. You are behaving like absolute scum. It's outrageous.
Why do you feel the need to post videos of animal torture videos in contempt for veganism? That is wicked. You are doing it to the offense of others. Because deep down, you know it's wrong the way you're behaving, and selfish.And so you lash out.
I don't look down on meat eaters, if they have a good attitude. But the attitudes I see here are rotten. You provoke others, and cause much hurt. You disregard animals feelings and the sanctity of life. And then when they get mad, you call them peta freaks.
First, wake up and realize that you are a living creature, and that all life is sacred and worth consideration and they need compassion and mercy and they feel pain like you do. Then, stop stereotyping people and acting like immature jerks, trying to show how tough you are because you can watch an animal being killed or kill an animal. It's pathetic, and you know it takes a lot more courage to take blows then to deliver them.
It takes a lot more courage to wake up, and not shut your eyes to the cruelty and bitterness of this world, to stand up and work to do something about it, even when it's so overwhelming.
i dont care what you say, you arent going to stop humans from doing something they have always done.
what have you done for wildlife lately? i know for a fact these animals mean more to me than you will ever know.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
#7574189 - 10/29/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has really upet me. People are so dumb too. I think we should live like the Native Americans...they held their prey in the highest respect. There is no excuse for the crulety however.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
#7576769 - 10/30/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that first video is them killing and skinning tanukis  alot of people think tanuki are raccoons, but they are in fact wild dogs.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Mitchnast]
#7576780 - 10/30/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They're not killing them, they're just skinning them.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: JunkFood]
#7576859 - 10/30/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, thats Russians for ya. where do you think those fuzzy hats come from?
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
#7577459 - 10/30/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: This thread has really upet me. People are so dumb too. I think we should live like the Native Americans...they held their prey in the highest respect. There is no excuse for the crulety however.
BULLSHIT, what about cliff drives?
I've been on several sioux, lakota or what ever the fuck else they were called sights and they had lots of mass kills with bones they hadn't marrowed out. I bet all those broken bones, torn muscles and stretched muscles felt real good, real respectable way to treat bison. Drive em' off a cliff and cut what you need off.
I love native american culture and I'm fascinated by it. I know several areas they populated and even know a few trade routes, they were not some enlightened culture, they were closer to brutal.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
#7577539 - 10/30/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You don't think the fur farm that footage was taken on does that regularly?
The fur farm is in China.
You DO know that China has no animal welfare laws, at all, right?
In fact, old traditional Chinese customs believe that the more pain the animal is in when you kill it, the juicier the meat will taste.
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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Crystal G]
#7578589 - 10/30/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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the Chinese farm humans too, they harvest and sell their organs to foreign transplantees. they keep them in inhuman conditions and then shoot them, harvest usable organs, and burn the evidence.
don't expect them to start respecting ANIMAL rights anytime soon.
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