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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
    #7565861 - 10/27/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I heard vegans taste like shit anyway.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7565912 - 10/27/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that shit is fucked up. wish they could just kill the poor little bastards before doing it.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Meepp]
    #7566050 - 10/27/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What took you so long!?





Are you a vegetarian JunkFood? If not, what's taking YOU so long :wink: Like with Plumpynuts its quite easy to stand at the sideline making comments, but not making the change yourself.


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awwww.... dont let the wittle furry things be killed so violently.





There's a huge difference between a lion tearing up a prey, or a cat playing with a mouse, and the way humanity victimize billions of animals each year. Go watch that documentary Earthlings, if only for shock value. For an internet person like yourself it is very easy to come by. Once you see an overview of what mankind does, you'll probably agree there's no comparing the two.


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people are fucked




Some people are, and we are sitting back and let them do their grisly things to animals so we can have our pork chops, our leather shoes and our cheap-ass egg with breakfast in the morning. With our buying of the products and not raising holy Hell about the atrocities, we are part of the crime.


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Altho it would be incredibly hard for me to stop eating meat (hell i'm way too skinny as it is)




Well I'm huge and I love eating meat also. Yes, it's going to be terribly hard to unlearn eating meat, but I'm going to try. If being skinny holds you back from considering vegetarianism, look into things like mixed roasted nuts with even higher caloric densities.


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I wrestle with the knowlwdge thatthe food I enjoy is steeped in misery and pain.
I am too selfish to quit meat, but its worse when I think about the animals I am consuming, and horribly they had to die.




I think you're more like me, and that's resistant to change. Is it really in your best interest to eat meat of animals who lived short miserable lives and died horribly? They are pumped full of drugs all the time, and their conditions have them full of stress, anxiety and anguish hormones. You eat all of those too. Many of those factory farm animals lived with open festering wounds and huge puss filled abcesses, never eating the food thats right for them. That's all on your plate. Is it in your best interest to eat that?


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I find it pretty sad that lots of people who eat meat can't watch this stuff. They can't watch the death of the animals that give them life.




Aye. Taking responsibility means gathering knowledge and then deciding on that. Those videos are terrible, but they're the story behind what we eat.


If people want to eat meat I'm still not against that, but the meat should be from animals who lived worthwhile lives and were killed humanely by euthanasia injection. A tiny bit of sedative or opiate in the meat, which often is a human approved pharmaceutical, won't in any way adversely impact the quality of the meat but for the animal it would be a tremendous difference between falling into a deep sleep or, like happens to many many thousands of pigs each year, being dazed by having a steel peg jabbed up your brain, and then drowned in boiling water intended to remove skin and bristles.


At the moment I'm in a transitional period. I've replaced the meat in my diet by eating trawled up fish. That is wrong too, but those fish at least lived natural lives in the ocean before they were scooped up by a net. I'm unsure about milk and cheese though, soy milk just is rancid. *shudders* My next pair of shoes won't be leather. I'm going to try to gradually get out of the loop of the factory farms and other animal cruelty.

I don't know if I'll succeed, but I AM gonna try dammit :mad2:


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566063 - 10/27/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It was only in the last 2-3 years that I took serious steps in recognizing that I did not want to eat flesh anymore, of any type of creature. The defining moment was when I was tripping on shrooms and decided to bake a chicken because I felt hungry. There was nothing so unappetizing when I was losing my ego, let me tell you. I never baked it and instead threw it away. Even then, it's taken me a long time to retrain my brain about devouring flesh. To this day I still crave BBQ roast beef, and I'm sure out of habit at Thanksgiving I'll desire turkey, but I know for a fact that it makes my belly feel unhappy and heavy when I eat it, so I will abstain and stick to yummy vegetables, fruits, nuts instead. I love mashed potatoes and green beans, but I had to retrain my mind to desire that instead of craving the heavy stuff. It's a process, let me tell you, to undo years of embedded desire, but our minds are trainable and adaptable, so I just think of it as reteaching myself the proper (proper for me) foods to eat.

However, I don't judge people for eating meat; my partner still loves it so I only try to get free-range meat, where the animals are allowed to be free and forage before slaughter. Also if I were living in the wild, I might have to kill an animal simply to survive. I see nothing wrong with that.

However, I no longer feel comfortable wearing leather because I've given up flesh (seems to be a side-effect) and I do get sick when I think of how all the animals are treated by humanity simply to fulfill a consumptive desire that seems like a black hole.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7566076 - 10/27/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

As for cheese...I am somewhat addicted to it. I enjoy it and whenever I go off a fast and readjust to food, I'll probably eat some eventually. Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it. And even though I avoid dairy like the plague, for some reason I still love cheese. Working on that...hehe. My goal is to eventually adjust to a monkey diet, of pure raw fruits, nuts and vegetables. I believe I'm making good progress since the fast presses the reset button on your relationship with food. But hey, it's a process.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: MOTH]
    #7566089 - 10/27/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: Somehow I always pictured you as a vegetarian Moth, I kind of expected you to be one though I don't recall you posting about it before.

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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.




Alas :frown:
Many milking cows are kept their entire lives (which tends to be 4 years, while wild cows live to be 20yo) in tight crates in barns in a miserable existence to provide that milk. At the end of their lives their bodies are usually considered unsuitable for slaughter.

Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.

I guess its expensive eco cheese for us :crazy:


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566098 - 10/27/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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:smile: Somehow I always pictured you as a vegetarian Moth, I kind of expected you to be one though I don't recall you posting about it before.

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Even though cheese is a processed food, I don't see anything wrong with it because the animal didn't suffer to provide it.




Alas :frown:
Many milking cows are kept their entire lives (which tends to be 4 years, while wild cows live to be 20yo) in tight crates in barns in a miserable existence to provide that milk. At the end of their lives their bodies are usually considered unsuitable for slaughter.

Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.

I guess its expensive eco cheese for us :crazy:




yeah, I don't know if you have a Whole Foods where you are at, but I love mine.  If I eat, it's only organically now.  I like eating cheese that comes from a cow grazed on grass.  :grin:  IN fact, now that we're talking about it, I have a fantasy of owning a cow and letting it roam in my pastures while I make homemade cheese out of its milk.  Someday...


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566157 - 10/27/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. Some people do mean stuff to animals, so I shouldn't eat meat to make a point? Is that the theme here?

I have blood on my hands from this mornings pheasant hunt, these birds sure are going to taste good for supper. One was shot in the wing and dropped from the sky, my dog chased it down and brought it back to me alive, I had to break it's neck with my hands so it wouldn't fly out of my game bag.

A couple weeks back I helped a friend butcher a hog. We raised him by his rear legs, he was still alive, then I took out a a .22 and killed it with one well placed shot. My friend then cut it's jugular, a couple hundred gallons of blood then poured out all over his gravel driveway. Then we skinned, loin-ed and quartered it. I wish I had a bacon press, I can almost smell it sizzling.

Another day I went to a customer of mines farm, I had to look over his corn, he had root worm this season and it's always my fault so I wanted to check out the area and see what he applied to the soil this year. While I was there I got to take a look at his 5,000 head dairy operation. It seems his animals spend all day in the pasture and are brought in his milking system 2 times a day to be milked, they live off grass, alfalfa and corn rubble mixed with molasses. No cages, whips, chains or medieval torture devices at that place.

A couple times a week I drive by the largest mink-farm in the country and the family who owns it are huge in the fur industry, it's not pretty but it sure as hell isn't animal torture..

The point of my stories is that the morons that are making these movies and the ignorant bovine swine who run PETA have no diea what happens on farms. I've been to thousands in the mid-west were this is the big business and I have yet to see anything like the crap posted online. If word got out around here about any of that shit, you can bet your life that hell would be raised.

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
    #7566175 - 10/27/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A lot more money goes to helping the animals from legal hunting.Then peta gives to helping. It's illegal hunting, that gives hunting a bad name.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
    #7566188 - 10/27/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I donate my time and money to the DNR of my state, I was hunting legally & I know where the money funnels are.

What about the money that goes to PETA? Where are those millions going?


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566200 - 10/27/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

wouldn't it make more sense to kill the animal before it is skinned? it would thrash around less if it were dead. that was the most fucked up part.

they should at least kill the animals quickly before they process them.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
    #7566201 - 10/27/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Brainiac]
    #7566214 - 10/27/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

I passed it the first time since I figured it was some stupid animal torture video I wouldn't want to see again.

TODAY, I don't know where the fuck these videos come from but that isn't how it works, I've been on several kill floors, from TYSON, to IBP, JOHN MORRELL, and Sara Lee, it's nothing glamorous but the animals are raised for food and are killed quickly and efficiently, that stuff posted doesn't make sense, it's dangerous for humans first off and second it is cruel.

Notice the skin color of those people, not to be racist but that is definitly not a regulated country, it reaks of 3rd world insanity. 

Yup, U.S.A. is the shitty country for having law.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566222 - 10/27/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They just took it down, LOL.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: TODAY]
    #7566248 - 10/27/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Some people do mean stuff to animals, so I shouldn't eat meat to make a point? Is that the theme here?





The theme is to treat animals humanely. By not eating meat from factory farms (and factory farms are the cause of most of these atrocities, not traditional farms), you decrease the market for their products, to which they can only respond by "producing" less animals. Not eating factory farmed meat saves animals agony. That's more than making a point, it's tangible results.


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wouldn't it make more sense to kill the animal before it is skinned? it would thrash around less if it were dead. that was the most fucked up part.

they should at least kill the animals quickly before they process them.





Absolutely. Dispatching animals by euthanasia by means of an inoculation gun is quicker and about as cheap as the furfarm practice of letting the animal bite down on one electrode, shoving the other electrode up the animal's ass and passing a current through it, often several times, until it is dead.

It works for livestock too, if you use a substance similar to Remifentanyl the drug will after the animal has died completely decompose by blood enzymes to pharmacologically inactive compounds even during the processing. All this cruelty is totally unneccessary even if you continue the practice of animal exploitation.


Like I said at YouTube, fur farms are totally unneccesary period. Synthetic furs can be just as beautiful as the real thing, can be cleaned better, comes in colors, patterns and shapes that animals cannot provide and this at a far lower cost. Eating meat I can relate to, but in this day and age fur farms are completely unneeded and nothing more than a source of endless animal suffering.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Adom]
    #7566252 - 10/27/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Adom, I definitely figured the people in those videos are third worlders. They are slaughtering those animals in a field of dirt, from old dirty trucks, and they are brown skinned...I know that's not how most of the industry works.

That's sick stuff, but people are treated with ill-regard in those countries sometimes too. In countries where human life isn't worth a shit nobody can expect animals to be treated well.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566261 - 10/27/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I happen to agree with you, and I know it looks like I personally insulted you but that wasn't directed at you.

I just have a bad taste in my mouth left over from putting up with vegan PETA hippies. They were brainwashed, not informed.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: TODAY]
    #7566266 - 10/27/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smile:

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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566520 - 10/27/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cows that have grazed in pastures yes, I see not much wrong with that, but as usual factory farms have managed to destroy a wonderful thing.

I guess its expensive eco cheese for us :crazy:




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yeah, I don't know if you have a Whole Foods where you are at, but I love mine.  If I eat, it's only organically now.  I like eating cheese that comes from a cow grazed on grass.  :grin:




Although I do believe that Whole Foods has tried to find not atrocious farms:

What is the vegan position on free-range eggs?

"Free-range" is not a legal industry term; therefore it is essentially meaningless. Farmers use the term to imply that they practice a more humane standard of production but, in reality, there is no regulation regarding how the word is interpreted or used. Although most consumers imagine free-range hens have access to the outdoors with plenty of sunlight, vegetation, and normal social interaction, to most egg producers, the "range" is simply a bigger cage than those in which battery-caged hens are kept.

Free-range egg farming is, above all else, a business. Consequently, profit surpasses concern for the animals' comfort, welfare, or behavioral needs. In addition, it is common for free-range layers to be debeaked just like battery-caged layers.

But even if free-range hens were treated with kindness and given all the space they could use, they will still be killed for meat when their egg production wanes, usually after one or two years, even though in a natural environment a hen could live fifteen years. And, like all other animals raised for food, they will be subjected to the horrors and abuses of transportation, handling, and slaughter.

An inherent problem with all egg production, whether free-range or battery-caged, is the disposal of unwanted male chicks at the hatchery. Because male chicks don't lay eggs and do not grow fast enough to be raised profitably for meat, they are deemed a financial liability, except for the few used as rooster studs. On average, one rooster is used to service ten hens. Hence, nine out of ten male chicks are considered virtually useless and will be killed by the cheapest means available, including suffocation and being ground up alive.

No matter what words or systems are used to candy coat animal production, when we treat sentient beings as commodities we invariably invite abuse. From a vegan perspective, the use of animals for human profit or gain, regardless of how they are raised or treated, is incompatible with vegan principles and the practice of compassionate living.


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Re: Animal Cruelty -- I made a youtube video about the fur industry [Re: Asante]
    #7566576 - 10/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What the fuck kind of animal is that? Poor little guy just keels over at the end :frown:


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