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Karma
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Does anyone here believe in karma? Do you really think theres some preexisting force that punishes the wicked?

I sure dont! For one thing whats right and whats wrong is decided by man. When shit goes bad alot of people will say oh must be karma, usually when the wrong is ironic to the end result.But theres such evil people out there who continue to exist with out karma ever affecting them. I beleive what you put in is what you get in the world but thats far from some cosmic force which btw was originally conceived to benefit the brahmins.

What do you all think?


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Re: Karma [Re: Hakim0777]
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"America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve."

- Tom Morello

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Re: Karma [Re: Hakim0777]
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I believe in a karma-t....
I have two of them myself....!    :beartrap:


>^;;^<


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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Karma [Re: Hakim0777]
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Karma is just the law of cause and effect, as applied to actions. Any thing, any action you take, any deed you perform, will have results. It is generally recognized that a 'good' action will have 'good' results, and a 'bad' action will have 'bad' results. But who knows what this 'good' or this 'bad' really is?

Selflessness and selfishness? Pleasure and displeasure? I really don't know.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Karma [Re: dblaney]
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But do you really see this playing out in general?  I mean, "bad" actions seem to yield beneficial results for many, many people in organized crime, as well as quite a few politicians.  By contrast, "good" actions can yield no results or bad results.  :shrug:

It seems to me that your comment that no one really knows what "good" or "bad" really are is more accurate than the rest of your post.  If we don't know how to correctly apply these terms, then who does?  Some Big Daddy in the sky?  A punishing/rewarding energetic force in the Universe?  The Flying Spaghetti Monster?  :confused:

Karma seems like another made-up human idea to keep people well-behaved.

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Re: Karma [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
But do you really see this playing out in general?  I mean, "bad" actions seem to yield beneficial results for many, many people in organized crime, as well as quite a few politicians.  By contrast, "good" actions can yield no results or bad results.  :shrug:

It seems to me that your comment that no one really knows what "good" or "bad" really are is more accurate than the rest of your post.  If we don't know how to correctly apply these terms, then who does?  Some Big Daddy in the sky?  A punishing/rewarding energetic force in the Universe?  The Flying Spaghetti Monster?  :confused:

Karma seems like another made-up human idea to keep people well-behaved.


thats basically what im trying to get at.


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Re: Karma [Re: Veritas]
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Karma is real, I will tell you that. I can't prove it to you though.

Veritas, I don't really understand your post. First you say that bad actions can lead to good results, in such cases as organized crime or politicians (they gain wealth and happiness?) and that good actions can have bad results. Then you go on to say that good and bad are just concepts which can't be accurately applied to anything.

I mean, sure, everything is just a made-up human idea if you want to look at it that way...

What dblaney is talking about is cause and effect, and we can see this play out in situations at every single moment. If you are not intent on being socially open and an efficient person, you will be isolated. Is this good or bad? It's simply the consequence of your own actions.

We carry certain attachments and we have certain motivations we take with us... they will decide what the art of our life will be, what we will communicate. How do we know if we are communicating or putting something "good" out to the Universe? Some might say they can just "feel" it, if you don't feel it, or you have to intellectualize it, you might be on a bad path.

We don't know what comes after death, if we take stuff with us from this life. However, some have seen this possibility that the stuff they've learned from this life will be carried with them unless they cast it off... they call this karma.

As for the evil people whom karma doesn't effect, I don't think it works that way. The concept of karma isn't about a man in the clouds shooting lightning bolts of judgment at you when you break a human law, it's the result of what you put in to the world, and that means the karma of all history as well as the karma of our individual actions here and now.


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Re: Karma [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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And it's a plain one-sided view to think that an action has only good or bad effects. Since everything that we do has multiple effects, both "good" and "bad" and everything in between.
How can you determine Karma then? From which of the infinity of the perspectives do you calculate it? :sherlock:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I guess you can't really determine it... in infinity there is no us which karma applies to. I don't know, I thought I understood karma but now I'm questioning myself and what I saw... it was the magnification of my own beliefs I suppose, to look at people and think I could see that they were in different places in their own personal evolution and that there were certain lessons or struggles they would need to conquer to get higher to their goal.

Could that all be a projection of my mind? Is it?

Unless we could see ourselves from an infinite number of perspectives, and see which perspectives or actions were creating good karma and which ones were creating bad karma. If we saw from an infinite number of perspectives, wouldn't this be a kind of omnipotence where we would naturally know what the best possible choice would be?


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Re: Karma [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Ahhh now you're talking about the best choice (on a personal level of course), which is something entirely different than Karma.
I view karma as a two dimensional map in a multi dimensional world. It might represent a route, but it's not the only one. It leads you to an understanding of the surface. Which, if we choose to take too serious, would put a stop to us seeing the rest of the possible outcomes.
The greatness, in my opinion, is to always stay perceptive to what's around us, in order to get as much as possible out of this reality.
Also, it is possible for two persons who share the same one-sided view on Karma, to find even more coincidences, but this only because they both see only what they were already expecting. Which can be a very impressive feeling but it's all there is.
The Will surpasses this plain old view and puts a congregation of new perspectives on the table. This is where we find freedom. :mushroom2:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
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mushroomtrip +5 for being a smart ass...in a good way.


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Re: Karma [Re: Hakim0777]
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I particularly hate the Karma of masturbation, that i am killing all the  living things (according to karmalogists) = sperms. :lol:


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Karma [Re: shakercee]
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Do you have any idea how many sperms are you killing just one time? :what:
You're so charged for massacre! :rolleyes:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
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:lol: The punishment for that is multiple births as a sperm, until you realize oh!!! sperms are sacred.  Now how does a sperm attain enlightenment? :shrug:


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Karma [Re: shakercee]
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It certainly makes more sense to me than an all powerful, all knowing consciousness ruling the heavens and deciding what's right and what's wrong...

But if you don't believe in regular karma...what about INSTANT KARMA??

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon youre gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin to do
Its up to you, yeah you

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin at fools like me
Who in the hell dyou think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Evryone come on

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Evryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When youre evrywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on

- John Lennon


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Well it's alright riding around in the breeze
Well it's alright if you live the life you please
Well it's alright doing the best you can
Well it's alright as long as you lend a hand

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Re: Karma [Re: shakercee]
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Positive distribution :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
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gee... a sperm would be more worried about competition..bump...bump...push..push. :evil:


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Karma [Re: Yosefxp]
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Quote:
what about INSTANT KARMA??


I will take it. That would be fine.


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Karma [Re: shakercee]
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I actually believe in it. My view is that if you are selfish and cruel, although you may get results and lots of money etc. In the end you will be unhappy. Its inevitable, the hate and anger will twist and destroy you...although you may die on a pile of money, you will never find peace. Where are as if you concentrate on good and try and achieve peace, you are on the road to self satisfaction. This dosent mean your magically protected, people can still hurt you, things can still go wrong. You cant control the outside world or other people, but the choices you make about yourself you can, and thats whats important.

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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
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I actually believe in it.


Taken from another thread, your own words:

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Once you believe you know something you stop thinking.


:strokebeard:

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My view is that if you are selfish and cruel, although you may get results and lots of money etc. In the end you will be unhappy.


Can you define selfish and cruel for me?
Also, your assumption is that all the people who have money are unhappy. This doesn't make any sense to me and I'm asking you to elaborate on it.

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Its inevitable, the hate and anger will twist and destroy you...although you may die on a pile of money, you will never find peace.


Ok, this sounds like a passage from a self help book. :rolleyes:
How do you know that all the people who have money are full of hate and anger? Is this something that applies to all the cases?
And the reverse... to be quite honest, I've seen a lot of poor people who never found happiness and which live in hate and frustration.
Conclusion: one's happiness doesn't depend oh having money or not.
You example is ambiguous.

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Where are as if you concentrate on good and try and achieve peace, you are on the road to self satisfaction.


And I'll have to ask you one more time: how do you know this?
And what's good?
Should we all feel obliged to fight for peace? :smirk:
I feel pretty darn happy and I don't fight for peace.

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This dosent mean your magically protected, people can still hurt you, things can still go wrong.


People don't "hurt" you, you let yourself get hurt by how you interpret the actions of others. Huge difference.

You still didn't bring any prof to sustain the existence of karma. :sorry:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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