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Re: Karma [Re: krypto2000]
    #7473342 - 10/01/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And yet another definition for Karma :lol:
How many are there until now? :strokebeard:

The example you gave is a pure psychological effect, which has nothing to do with karma. :shrug:


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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7473345 - 10/01/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

why not?


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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473368 - 10/01/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Because, like I said, the example he gave represents a psychological effect. It is known by all the specialty books (and also by simply by being an aware observer) that if a kid is grown in an unhealthy manner, he will have issues.
That unless, you just want to see karma in everything, which can lead me to the conclusion that even taking a shit and hearing the after splash is karma too (cause & effect) :grin:


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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7473386 - 10/01/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive never really thought of karma as a magical thing. Ive always thought of it as being cause and effect, but with the opinion that it also applies to moral choices. And i guess the bad raising of a child is an example of poor moral choice, leading to a poor outcome.


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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473421 - 10/01/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive never really thought of karma as a magical thing. Ive always thought of it as being cause and effect,




This also has a name: life :smirk:
A chain of causes & effects, multiplied by an infinity of outcomes, and, for those who Want... also Free Will. :mushroom2:
Now karma already has a definition and I think that it has way too many errors, no need to amplify it by finding new interpretations of it.
See, what happens is, that if we choose to believe in karma, our freedom is being obstructed because we live under the impression that there is something/ somebody out there, watching us and judging us. How can this lead to a happy life? Why this need for an arbiter? I think it's about time for us to grow up and wipe our own asses when we need it.

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but with the opinion that it also applies to moral choices. And i guess the bad raising of a child is an example of poor moral choice, leading to a poor outcome.




Can you define "moral" for me? :thanx:
In actual, practical and discernible terms.
Also, what does morality have to do with raising a kid in an unhealthy way? There are parents who have "issues", fears, frustrations, inhibitions... etc, and by simply raising their kids they transmit all of those to them. Should we label all those psychological problems and a lack of "morality"? :rolleyes:


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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473426 - 10/01/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry i missed out the part your probably going to disagree with the most:tongue: Negative moral values lead to negative results for the person who has them. So in this case, i think its inevitable that the parents will have some kind of negative impact on themselves because of the way they think and act. I mean anyone who would negelect a child obivously has some issues which are going to come back to bite them.


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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473432 - 10/01/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I guess morals are a personal value system


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Re: Karma [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473452 - 10/01/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So, if morals are a personal value system, how can karma (which is intrinsically linked to morality from your own words), apply to a mass of people who's measurements for morality differ?
Am I getting through to you with that?

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mean anyone who would negelect a child obivously has some issues which are going to come back to bite them.




You never really explained how this is karma.


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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7473589 - 10/01/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
And yet another definition for Karma :lol:
How many are there until now? :strokebeard:

The example you gave is a pure psychological effect, which has nothing to do with karma. :shrug:




I would not argue that that is pure psychological effect, but why can this not be karma? No one has said karma has to be some otherworldly or a mystical type of thing. There are many different definitions according to various religions, but I was trying to explain what I think karma is in it's most basic worldly form.

In the end karma is a subjective term. With anything that has multiple definitions, or vague ideas expressed behind it is left up to the individual to decide what they think it truly means.


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Re: Karma [Re: krypto2000]
    #7473598 - 10/01/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with subjective terms as long as you keep them out as arguments in philosophical discussions. :shrug:


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Re: Karma [Re: Hakim0777]
    #7473695 - 10/01/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm too damn lazy to write a summary of Karma, so I'll quote someone else who did a good job at it:

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Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to "stop the wheel" is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called "the horror of our situation," you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.




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Re: Karma [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7473850 - 10/01/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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    #7473868 - 10/01/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Karma [Re: trip2night]
    #7473877 - 10/01/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Karma [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7475108 - 10/01/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Your not getting through to me yet, because i havent found a way to explain to you properly what i mean. It dosent matter if everyones view on morality is different, 1 + 1 still equals two. Say for example you get really angry at someone, that anger is harmful to you because it is a narrow way of thinking stopping you from being happy. So anger is an emotion which has what could be called negative karma attached to it, it always results in harm to the person feeling it because its in its nature to do so. I wish i could find my book by the dalai lama , he explains it so much better than me. Karma is about removing human suffering by realising that negative thoughts towards life and other people actually cause harm to your well being and have a dominoe effect. I'll look for that book today.


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