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Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? * 1
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Ha, now that i succeeded in grabbing everyones attention who would give a damn (or actually be intelligable) about someone making a false claim on cakes vs. how ever the fuck else you grow shroomies...

I am currently 12 days into colonization of 2 personal BRF cakes for my first grow of the fungus. Everything seems to be going normal, as far as what ive researched (which is a buttload of research which brings me to my next question).

Ive been worrying about the best way to birth in my situation. my 10 gal terrarium (in a small corner of a room which has excellent airflow (contamination possibility issue?), fluctuating temps (68-86; heating pad method to TRY to equalize (76-83). Do fluctauting temps matter as much in the FC as they do in the Incubation chamber?), and has a daily cycle of indirect light) can go two ways:

One, to lay out damp perlite and place the freshly dunked and rolled cakes on the perlite layer. or Two, to use the crumble method to insert the dunked (not rolled)mycelium into two 6x3x2 inch trays, add casing and place those on a perlite layer inside my terrarium (is the perlite overkill with the cased trays?)and then of course follow the crumble method tek for specifics.

Dunking and rolling is already supposed to maximize the flush yields and casing helps out for the same reasons in the tray method. YES i have read the post about how to birth most efficiently and NO it does not answer my question on if its worth putting a little bit more time and effort in to doing the crumble into tray into FC method than the cakes into FC method.

SO

Which is more efficient as far as flush size, amount of flushes and size of fruits (keep in mind that im not a dumbass, you dont have to answer my questions like i am one just because im a beginner)?

Dunking and Rolling and birthing BRF cakes?

or

Dunking, crumbling (into tray), casing and birthing BRF cakes?

THANX

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: Ellezdey]
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I would say crumbling and casing.

By the way I came up with the dunk and roll method and it is just ment to improve the outcome of cakes but it still won't keep up with casing. :cool:


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: Ellezdey]
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Yep..crumble and spawn to larger substrate..i suggest coir for bigass flushes:

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or hpoo to get monsters like this:

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: Weed_Indicated]
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Crumble and case. Post haste!


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: aspore]
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i love hpoo makes monsters!!!


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: wutang]
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By the way I came up with the dunk and roll method and it is just ment to improve the outcome of cakes but it still won't keep up with casing.


you really thought you could get away with this???? BULLSHIT and I'll PROVE IT...

first off.. Hippie3 came up with the "dunk"... and I "fahtphish" aka "fahtster" aka "faht" came up with the Rolling cakes in dry verm and you simply stole it... heres the proof in the pudding..

8/05/02.. you didn't even know what the dunk was.. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/797148#797148
you were a newbie..

5/23/03 my first post about dunking and rolling cakes with beautiful pictures provided...

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/27365.html?1053669228 heres the second page to that post... http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/27204.html?1054329698 you can CLEARLY see the pictures of my cakes rolled in dry verm....
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these are pix of his setup and of cakes he just did a 24 hour milk dunk, 10 min bleach dip, and after the cakes were dipped, right away when they were still wet, he burried them in dry verm. and pulled them out and this is what they looked like. fully cased. then he just added a little to the top and bottom and in between the cakes misted lightly and there you have it. hope you enjoyed my posts and my friends setup. he also wanted me to say that without mycotopia and gang (all of you) none of this would have been possible. we all thank you.

faht


that statement was made by me on 5/25/03


heres a post by you on 5/03/03... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1516393#1516393... the first picture in your post has NOT A ONE cake that is rolled in verm... not a one... and notice that second pic of yours... it's the same pic from this thread...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1584022#1584022 your first post about rolling cakes in dry verm... Thats the same pic... and that thread was made 5 days after my post about rolling cakes... you simply saw my thread, took your best looking cake and said that you rolled it in verm.. and stole my idea..

is that why you said... "btw, I came up with...." so that you can reaffirm it over and over again???

And btw, I have this post copied and posted over at 'topia... so no matter how many times you erase it, Mr. Mod, or ban me, I'll send over thousands of cats to repost it. so you best just leave it right where it is.

Now take it back and say your sorry! the defense rests.

Fahtphish.. fahtster... faht.

Edit: I've settled down a little bit and cleaned it up a bit for the kids.

Edited by fahtster (09/27/07 03:51 AM)

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: fahtster]
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
BURRRNEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BURNED!!!

you plagiarist...:rofl:


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: wutang]
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yeah... and it's not even that the roll does anything impressive... yall just think it does LOL I gave up rolling shortly after I made that post... all these cakes aren't rolled... just give it a casing and it'll produce those mushies where the casing and cake meet...







it's the amount of water in a cake that makes it perform to it's max.. the real credit goes to hippie for the dunk... I just can't stand by while you praise magash for something he stole. all hail the dunk.

fahtster

Edited by fahtster (09/27/07 03:52 AM)

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: fahtster]
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Wow that's a lot of hate and disdain for people you don't even know.

Sick FC of cakes though.


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: cbiegel]
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Wow that's a lot of hate and disdain for people you don't even know.


excuse me? so you should love the person that rapes your sister because you don't know them? ridiculous. magash took something that wasn't his without asking and for the last four years claimed it as his to get the respect of those that "didn't know" him... you are out of your place yo...

faht

Edit: the raping the sister comment probably wasn't the best example i could have used in this post but it's the idea that both the rapist and megash are thieves for taking something that wasn't theirs. again, probably could have used a better analogy than that... sorry.

Edited by fahtster (09/27/07 03:54 AM)

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: fahtster]
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"yo"

I don't have any idea who he is and never heard his assertion before. I'd bet that a quite a few of us here are in the same boat. That's why I wonder why you'd lump us all together.

If you really feel that this is in any way similar to someone raping a woman I don't even know what to say. It's exaggerations like that mess up your credibility though I think that you showed pretty conclusive proof that you and your friend posted this tek first. Do you still support the bleach dunk? That alone shows the fact that you were talking about it a long time ago.


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: cbiegel]
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the raping a woman issue is a matter of opinion... some people hate their sisters and don't care and some would kill the Motherfucker that did it.. I, myself am in the second category.. Maybe thats just the Lenny Bruce admiration coming out.. it's not the words, it's the meaning you as an individual put to them. plain and simple, he took something that wasn't his without asking.. thats the point I'm trying to make... and I didn't lump you all together (this time).. more than one shroomerite has attempted to take my work and call it their own... I could care less about my credibility here anyway... it's fucked... but thats only because I stand up for myself. I use bleach in all my water, all the time.. highly diluted, but it's there. I recommend it... I don't do a milk dunk (i certainly didn't come up with that) anymore tho, thats pretty much faded from the OMC. I'm actually working on an iso 70% cake 10 sec. dip then immediate quick rinse to kill any contam spores or germinated mold myc. left on a cake after a flush.. oops.. shit... now thats up for grabs. lol

and as far as calling someone names on this board.. I laugh in the face that... people including mod staff have joined in the public humiliation of people such as shroomy dan and others with little care, so I don't feel the least bit wrong about telling a thief to fuck off.

But, the truth is now known and I could care less about this board... some of you are cool... away I go.

fahtster

Edited by fahtster (09/27/07 12:00 AM)

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: fahtster]
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its true,
"a copy of a beautiful thing, is always ugly"
its cool faht, i agree.


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: wutang]
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I also agree that representing other people's ideas as your own isn't cool.

Now I just have to come up with a good idea worth stealing...;)


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: cbiegel]
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Magash's posts have helped me alot. I hope he isnt prohibited from saying anything, at least untill im better than him :wink:

So thank you magash, i am NOT hating one bit. :thumbup:

play nice:thumbup:


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: rodfarva]
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well, I'm sure he has helped a lot of people.. I guess a simple "sorry, that was wrong of me to do" would be a nice gesture on his part. and we'll all move on eh. and that was four years ago... maybe hes grown up morally since then and just always caught himself in that trap of always having to lay claim to it to keep his rep nice and tidy... like diggin a hole to fill another one.

faht

Edited by fahtster (09/27/07 04:43 AM)

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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: fahtster]
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YEAH, I know what you mean and ur right. I'm in management and theres this guy i used to hate have working directly under me. He doesnt follow some work practices i harp on people about, but he gets the job done well. Hes good enough to miss some things and still be fine, i acctually consider him my most productive guy ever, after removing my ego and letting him walk on me a bit. It sucks, but i would be worse off with out the guy.


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: rodfarva]
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wow... this all reminds me of Overgrow. RIP OG, RIP.

:frown:


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: rodfarva]
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i think magash might have been saying that he invented the "dunk and roll" not the dunk or the roll but the tek of put the two together, he is a really nice and helpful preductive member of the shroomery and i dont like to hear ppl talk shit about him or anyother good guy on here,

so until magash comes back and says whats up please stop calling him names,


peace out Dm


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Re: Cakes arent Best Method for beginners-WHY? [Re: dutchmushroom]
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i think magash might have been saying that he invented the "dunk and roll" not the dunk or the roll but the tek of put the two together


you're right... thats exactly what he is stating which is not the truth... you should follow those links and see what I'm talking about. it was shisty, what he did.. not to mention obvious. And I did stop calling him names.. I also presented a way for him (in my eyes) to come clean and apologize.. like I said, it's no big deal to me anymore, I don't even use the method like I did back then. I find no need for it. The thing that pissed me off was how he went about claiming a practice that I was using as his... I wonder when he was asked questions about the method if he had to go back to my thread at 'topia to find out any answers.. lol he was answering questions before he even started using the method. I mean it's a pretty self explanatory method.. you simply bury a wet/dunked cake in dry verm and pull it out.. bam your done.. but it's the reason that you would do that that is crafty. You might ask yourself... why are you rocking the boat?? well, I live in the U.S., and theres enough corruption all around me.. if I can do something about the corruption I'm part of, well you better be damn sure I'm going to. I'm sure someone, somewhere has done it before me possibly... maybe even on accident and didn't realize that it was beneficial without a casing and didn't do it again etc.. and thats fine.. I don't really care if when someone asks well who came up with combining the dunk and roll that you say well faht did.. I've given up on the whole my tek, not your tek thing because whenever I do, I get tried to make a fool of. so blah.. whatever. But this was so blatant and such BS I couldn't excuse it. I'm just mad that I missed it for so long. but whatever I'm over it and done being emotional about it. And I'm sure some of you just think I'm being a whiner, but I bet a lot of politicians say that about you behind closed doors too.. should we just let them do whatever they want too? ya know what I'm saying? I don't think Magash should be condemned. I think this was more than enough punishment.

fahtster

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