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Zeif
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Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms 1
#7329796 - 08/24/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm no master chemist or scientist but I do have a good hand at organic and inorganic chemistry. But primarily I know wood loving mushrooms usually decompose lignin (in fact they love it, check wikipedia which proves what I remember) into the chemicals they naturally produce or maybe its just for the structure. But primarily what I wanted to know is...
Would a mixture of sawdust,cardboard(cut or ripped into tiny equal chunks), alder chips, and lignin would create a perfect substrate for the mushrooms or do you think its a waste of time even to add extra ingredients.
Im just asking this question in thought that maybe if the substrate was enriched with lignin that mycelium might be easier to cultivate (quicker, stronger, prettier mycelium) added that lignin is acting as a pure nutrient.
Any input would be great, if you think this might actually be possible I recently came across a Psi. Cyanescens spore print and might give it a shot.
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: Zeif] 1
#7331993 - 08/25/07 03:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't thinks that lignin is the limiting component. Usually wood is supplemented with a protein containing additive for instance rye bran, rice bran, corn, millet and alike.
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: Zeif] 1
#7332201 - 08/25/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where would you get the lignin? Brown rotters?, mushrooms that don't use lignin leave behind brownish red punk, so are called brown rotters. Most mushrooms are "white rotters" and use lignin and cellulose and hemicellulose, since the lignin that is brown is used up it leaves behind white punk(mostly cellulose).
If you are planning to do this withPsilocybe cyanescens, it may be fun to try just to see what happens, but wavy caps do quite well on fresh chipped wood without any additives.
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Zeif
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: Zeif] 1
#7332286 - 08/25/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thx for the replies, I just thought that the cyans might cultivate faster with the additives who knows, i guess trial and error is the best teacher
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: Zeif] 1
#7332359 - 08/25/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would also like to know where you were planning to get this lignin?
I say go for it! I love to experiment with different substrates, fortified with different nutrients or vitamins, and seeing how different species take to it.
For my first multi-spore inoculation, I made cakes using vermiculite, 4 or 5 different grains, ground to flour, ground flax seed, straw, a pinch of calcium enriched sand, and some ground oyster shell. The cubensis seemed to like it!
Anyway, do update with results if you decide to follow through with the experiment.
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Zeif
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: CureCat] 1
#7333241 - 08/25/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The lignin i'll be aquiring should be USP grade (or at least that quality) because im getting it through my old chem teacher, who's getting it from a high-grade bio/organic chemical supplier.
The only problem i have with this expirement is the ratio of substrate to nutrients. Nutrients arnt bad but i know too much of em is! So ill prolly do a few different test batches with different ratios, find which one colonizes quicker. If this does succeed, I'm going to search and attempt to find a legitment baeocystin spore print( to me, looking around on various forums this seems to be a pretty hard wood-loving species to cultivate) and attempt to grow it, because according to wikipedia they grow on lignin enriched areas. If this be true, we may have found the key for wood-loving mushy cultivation.
I'll update tonight on how ill set these batches up and everything. Might start a growlog.
Thanks, Zeif
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms [Re: Zeif] 1
#25941585 - 04/18/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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How did this experiment go?
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Re: Lignin for Wood loving Mushrooms (moved) [Re: Zeif] 1
#25941851 - 04/18/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.
Reason: 11 year old post and the guy last logged in 7 years ago.
Lignin is a useless additive. The entire substrate is already made of lignin and cellulose.
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