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theshiftingwalls
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Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009
#2169569 - 12/08/03 06:13 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Before the global warming kills the Azures in about 15/20 years or so. That means no more natural azures in oregon/washington sate. Plus I heard a rumor they are spraying fungicides in Oregon and southren Washington also. I am trying to make Ps. Azure to invade the Northren PNW in Canada (lower mainland B.C.). So in about 10 years Azures will be growing rampant in mulch all over Vancouver BC. I also know for a fact that Azures can be naturally supported in this type of Ecosystem. So when the Azures die in the states, they will be growing like insane in the Canada part of the PNW. Also due to global warming, the lowermain land will have weather more similar to southren Washington in about 15/20 years. Starting with only 1 myco bag using 1 azure syringe. Making woodlogs out of 2 liter bottles I will do this. I plan on making tons 2 liter bottles with maple chips inside them to expand the the spawn (I have unlimited access to woodchips) . I am going to build spawn and expand it to the max, hopefully I will end up with 100 clonized bottles by April. Everyone knows that azure spawn is very vigrious, aggressive and will kill other species it encounters. I am going to make this project souly on spread azure myc through various methods to the PNW part of Canada. So Azure will become an invader of Vancouver soon enough. Then in about 7 years from now, the azure spores will start naturally in Vancouver mulch beds. Thus introducing Azure to the lowermain land for final . I will also keep adding spawn to the area for the next 5 years. Any donations of azure spores would help this project lots. Various ways of spreading azure spawn : A) I plan on spreading the spawn by going out and looking for wood mulch around the lowermain land. Via libaries, offices, parks, gardens and forests. B) Going to garden centres and dumping the azure spawn in outdoor hardwood mulch piles (its like a big pile of hardwood mulch that you use a sovel and purchase large amounts thats you put in the cab of your truck for land scaping). C) Going to shore line and putitng azure spawn in hardwood drift wood patches. Any comments?
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Interesting theory. However extremely unlikely and unfounded. What is your basis for the conjecture that azures will be extinct in the PNW? Also, I don't believe that the state is spreading large amounts of fungicide onto natural land.
Please don't report unfounded conjecture. Or at least cite your sources.
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Signo
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: kindkesey]
#2169600 - 12/08/03 06:26 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, don't let me discourage you from your experiments, as they might be fun and fruitful. However claiming that azures will be extinct because of weather conditions doesn't make sense.
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Baby_Hitler
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What you're doing is cool. Keep it up.
But global warming doesn't wipe out the azurescens in the PNW, in fact, it does spread on into the CSW and along the coasts of the California Sea.
Cubensis also spreads on into Kansas, Tennessee, and southern Kentucky.
Trust me, I'm from the future.
Actually I'm not from the future, but I did lived there for a while.
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MeetMeInEleusis
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 *DELETED* [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2169684 - 12/08/03 07:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2169720 - 12/08/03 07:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It will get sooo hot in 20 years that Vancouver would be likes southren Washington. Seattle would be more like northren Oregon.
So I am just speeding the process .
It will never go dead as a natural species. It will be so hot in Oregon in 20 years. So azures probably will have to move out more north naturally. So Seattle will be prime in natural Azures in about 15 years .
But Azures will be in the lower-main land in 5 years!!!
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theshiftingwalls
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In Wisconsin, Psilocybe azurescens was introduced. Im just in the northren PNW. I know it will work better here if it worked in Wisconsin .
Bound to work.
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buckwheat
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thats a good idea regardles of what happens to the temperature's(where are the sources for this btw). spread them evreywhere!! i hope you will make it
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llamaboy
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: buckwheat]
#2170665 - 12/09/03 01:57 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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eh, plus there is no substantial scientific evidence that global warming even exists...maybe in 10-20 years there will be a global cooling effect and San Diego will be the hotspot for azures...
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zeronio
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Azures won't die. We're spreading them all over the world. (laugh of a mad scientist) I can donate you a print - PM me your address.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: zeronio]
#2170769 - 12/09/03 06:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe you are right, that if the weather doesnt change that much the azures will stay natural in Oregon. I think I should change the project name to "spreading Azure". No matter what I am still moving the species to the PNW of Canada . Maybe might even start moving down the boarder into northren Washington. Then all of the PNW will have azures growing everywhere .
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I would like to know how far south and east that the Azures will grow . I have heard about Ohio, Wisconsin ,what bout our southern states like Tn n perhaps Ky?
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: 284_27]
#2170808 - 12/09/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will donate spores to anyone who will follow my TEK in the following areas. We can all report in 5 years and see if we get anywhere. We can all update once a year. Newzealand, Japan, UK, Northren Europe and Southren Australia (only 20 miles in from coast). I am very serious on making Azure an invader all over the world. Now lets do this myco op !! Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 has commenced .
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Twista
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good luck, i salute you.
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eric_the_red


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this is cool of you to do. i wish you luck.
i don't have anymore azure spores, but i do have something better.
if you swear on your left nut that you really are going to spread the mycelium and not sell anything donated to you, pm me and i'll help you out.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: eric_the_red]
#2179635 - 12/15/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know 7 acres of land in New England that are going to be knee deep in Azures this summer.
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pleezr
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: JetBlackNinja]
#2180198 - 12/15/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
I know 7 acres of land in New England that are going to be knee deep in Azures this summer.
WHOA!?!
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flubbilynumpkins
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: pleezr]
#2180254 - 12/15/03 05:09 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like a fun idea, good luck, but someone has to say it:
Introduction of a foreign species into a new habitat, how could it go wrong, sounds perfect. Yet, even if it seems like it's just harmless, rememer that sane ideas have resulted in horrible outcomes. The cane toad in australia, introduced to help farmers, messed up the enviroment a lot. Foxes and rat's and pigs introduced to various islands by the early sailors, resulting in the extinction of many species (ex. the Dodo bird.)
Just remember, while it might not, it could have devastating unforeseen results.
Only playing the devil's advocate here, good luck anyways.
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theshiftingwalls
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True... If the Azures start to kill native species in 10 years, then im in deep trouble.
But hey, azures are better then nothing .
BTW the lower-main land has hardly any native Ps. Cyans left. So the azures will replace the cyans.
This is my funniest project I might add .
Wish me luck .
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lalala
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Never seen an Azure in Arkansas! I've got access to 40 acres of prime land, would anyone send a spore or two this way?
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eric_the_red


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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: lalala]
#2180681 - 12/15/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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they don't grow here.
well, they don't grow in arkansas naturally.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: eric_the_red]
#2180705 - 12/15/03 07:43 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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little rock?
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: lalala]
#2180811 - 12/15/03 08:21 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It might work. But then again, it might not . The coast is prime for spreading azures. Mostly matters where you are if you wanna spread azures.
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theshiftingwalls
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I am doing very good on making spawn. I will dump large amounts in the dark wood mulch pile in garden centres. All is under way.
Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 is in full effect
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@cro
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Dark woodchips is usually a sign of cedar or bark which you want to stay away from. Go lookin around for lighter colored, tan woodchips. That will more likely be a hardwood variety or at least leached well. So, do we get to see pics of the progress? Peace - @cro
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Zen Peddler


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Im in Australia and have already cultivated azurescens in three different locations down here. If your using a syringe, you may as well not bother. Woodlovers require agar isolation. Not all isolates from a print will fruit - many wont perform well even if they do - you better off using a known fruiting clone to cut the hassle out of it. Secondly, the difference between Ps.azurescens and Ps.eucalypta are pretty minimal - most of the cyanescens family are very similar - even if azurescens dissappeared (and Gartz demonstrated that patches that were not maintained in naturalised environments could not sustain themselves) there would still be other species that would be thriving. Cyanescens is a thriving species - they will always be more cyanescens around than azurescens - so there is no way that azures will 'replace' cyanescens.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2191248 - 12/19/03 06:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am using cultures.
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Zen Peddler


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Since Azurescens has one of the more robust mycelia of known Psilocybes, why do you think it in particular is under threat of dissappearing due to perceived environmental changes? Ive colonised azurescens in temps at around 29-34 C which demonstrates that it is quite a hardy mushroom with plenty of phenotypes that it can express in response to variable environmental factors. Certainly, azurescens limited range of natural habitat probably indicates that it is an introduced species - the grasses that it is frequently located with are native Baltic grasses - perhaps it was introduced with this grass. Also, one of the three main clone lines that are being sold of azurescens - i believe it is ossip off the top of my head, was confused as cyanescens - perhaps this demonstrates some sort of speciation link with cyanescens. Certainly subaeruginosa, azurescens, bohemica, cyanescens, eucalypta represent fairly similar mushrooms - their differences probably fairly recent expressions of sympatric speciation.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2195141 - 12/22/03 05:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I know that it will never die. Just if a freak weather change or something to that effect would kill off the azures. But the chances out a freak weather problem is low.
But yes I agree with you %100.
If azure were introduced species, where would the orgin be from?
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th3b34r
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dude, sounds good enough of an idea and im for spreading the bitch but your worried about global warming? and you think that the weather is going to change that drastically in as little as 20 years? where is any sort of logic drawn to your ideas? i mean sure, global warming might very well exist, but even the most liberal theories on global warming still think that it will take thousands of years. the earth has been around for billions of years and it's not going anywhere for a while so i wouldn't be too worried about that. hell there have been volcanic eruptions for billions of years and 1 volcanic eruption creates more CFC's than all of human existance could have created from the past few hundred years and for even hundred's of years into the future. never the less, i think that it's a really cool idea to grow it at garden centers, i mean how happy would you be to look out your door one morning and find yourself a couple of new friends to play with i live in knoxville TN and i would like to make an attempt at growing, i can get dried shrooms when they are in town, not really sure about the species, never checked, im fairly new at this and i have only tripped about 4 times. my friends have been pressing me to find some way to get it done and i have read up on a few sites on how to grow using spore prints/syringes. if your going to be at it anywyas would oyu mind sending a spore print this way? im not sure if any grow around here, i live pretty close to the smokies, but was planning to grow in a fish tank with a sonic humidifier and a plexiglass top w/ holes drilled in for air circulation. i should be getting some $$ for xmas so i was going to go invest in a few mason jars and some rye berries, vermiculite/perilte. i have a pressure cooker so now about all i need are some prints to get started with. please send email if your willing to help (heheh im not a cop, but i checked into legalities and so long as you dont have anything with psilosybin in it it's cool to have in tennessee [spores are cool] even so, i can understand worry in the matter so something like no return address would be cool?) also i might need some pointers on how to do it, i would be planning to grow these inside btw, a few of my friends just moved out and i can use a room in their new house for whatever i want>>fun times w/b scott th3b34r@yahoo.com
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RogerRabbit
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They aren't spraying fungicide in oregon and washington. If they tried it, ten thousand naked hippies would lay down in front of the equipment and block them. I picked lots of azures near astoria again this year, even getting directed by a park ranger who 'caught' us to where a better patch was. I don't think they're going away.
Good project anyway though. Don't just spawn wood chips. In nature they grow in the beach sand right along the shoreline, nestled into the dune grasses. Most azures I've found have been within 100 yards (meters) of the shoreline.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: RogerRabbit]
#2198844 - 12/23/03 11:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am aware that azures arent being treated with fungicide down in Oregon.
They still need hardwood chips to spawn. If I could put large amounts of spawn in hardwood mulch piles, it will spread like crazy. Atleast 20 miles from shore. Scaling miles of beach is very time consuming. The best way is going to hardwood piles that get shipped for landscaping all over the area. Then the spawn would be all over the lower-main land very quickly.
Then azures will be growing like rampant throughout the area in a matter of one year.
For Europe, I suggest using a Ps. Sub isolate and use the same tek as I.
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Anno
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>For Europe, I suggest using a Ps. Sub isolate
Why?
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#2198917 - 12/24/03 12:26 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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More of an adaptable species for other parts of the world. I think azure would not spread in Europe. Because it would be to dry inland. Also Ps. Sub has strong hardy myc (even more then azure). I guess I could change my mind and use a sub isolate instead of azure before I get enough myc. Maybe it could spread azures near the Baltic sea. That would be a prime place for that. The southren Baltic sea.
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Anno
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Just to clear that up, you have never grown any woodlovers up till now, right?
I just want to check your experience with these things, before relaying on your advice.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#2199088 - 12/24/03 02:19 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I grew BC Cyans last year with my friend. Thats about my only experience.
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Anno
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> I think azure would not spread in Europe. Because it would be to dry inland. What I would like to see from you are some hard facts, not only wild speculations(as the above) Saying "Europe is too dry inland" is just an ignorant uninformed claim. Europe has a variety of climate zones as has every other large piece of landmass. Compare: North American Climate
European Climate
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Dobie
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i personally think you should just go crazy with cyans not azures. azures have never been found more than a mile from the coast. i dont think they would spread to well to other places. because if they did why arent in other places right now ya get what im saying.
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ive been smokin weed and drinking beer all night i dont know if that makes sense lol
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#2199125 - 12/24/03 03:16 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only Humid oceanic zones are good for any woodlovers. So only a small part of Europe is good for Psi woodlovers. But way bigger zone compared to North America. I think some would dhould try this in Europe. It could work to well.
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Anno
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Oh really? So all the woodlovers that grow in central Europe(South Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Hungary...) are only fictitious products of our mind?
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#2199141 - 12/24/03 03:48 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Variety is the spice of life, the more species you spread, the better chance of success, I've mixed spawn from a few species into a few large woodchip piles around my area(zone 8), including the local council tree yards piles, and 3 private tree surgons wood chip piles. I've also sold spawn to people who told me they were going to do the same in other parts of the country. These large piles are the best place to start the spread, as the chips are sold to gardeners all over the place, so this aids the spread, and saves foot work. Just be sure not to spawn too deep into the piles, as the heat produced can kill your spawn, better to spawn many different areas of the top layer. So, I know you have a few species , spread them all Just remeber to lable
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John
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Why don't you show pictures of your progress? I know you have a camera. Sorry to rain on your parade but this whole thread smells of bullshit, though a great idea I don't think you intentions go further than trying to impress people on a website, I've never seen you post anything about cultivation before and all the sudden you act as if your an expert in growing woodlovers. I think you found a new website to copy ideas off of like just about everyone of your other posts. To the people unfamilar with this guys post I know I might be coming off as an asshole but I have good reason, I would hold off on the praise and sending donations until he actually proved himself, if I'm wrong I apoligize now.
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Baby_Hitler
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#2200836 - 12/25/03 10:41 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, you hallucinated them.
Mushrooms don't cause hallucinations.
Hallucinations cause mushrooms.
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#2200942 - 12/25/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think psilocybe azurenscens are native to canada, so I wouldnt try to introduce this alien specie here. Ever heard of bio-invasion? (yes, bio-invasion is bad) It seems that you have no idea what you are doing. Do you, or anybody else have any idea of what this might result in 5,10,15 years?
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: John]
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honestly i dont know what i think about all this. i am not claiming to know everything about active LBMs, and therefore i am not attempting something like this project. i sure hope shiftingwalls knows alot about what he's doing or else this could be a big failure and waste. it has good intentions but it might be alot of wasted effort and spores, for all the reasons all the skeptics have already posted.
i know he PMs me alot about getting cyan prints, apparantly he's intending to start a spore business. that's all i know about this guy.
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'Only Humid oceanic zones are good for any woodlovers. So only a small part of Europe is good for Psi woodlovers. But way bigger zone compared to North America. '
I have the following points to make in response to this post. 1. Psilocybe subaeruginosa and Psilocybe cyanescens fruit in areas that have around 400kms distances from the coast. Ive also fruit azurescens in areas around 253kms from the ocean on staight beech woodchips. The humidity requirements have sweat FA to do with the distance from the ocean - it has to do with the climate in the area (rain and cold requirements) , availability of lignious substrates and thats about it. You could fruit any woodlover anywhere that has cold snaps, wood chips and pelnty of rain. Sounds like most of europe to me, and ive read countless articles of lignious psilocybes all through europe and parts of the United States and South America that demonstrate your 'theory' (which is based on nothing but your own preconceptions and has no basis in any study i am aware of) to be quite incorrect. The best way to learn about any topic is to ask questions or research rather than just presume. This avoids misconceptions.  2. Psilocybe azurescens mycelia is more competitive and hardier than subaeruginosa - this i know for sure. The similiarities between subaeruginosa and cyanescens suggest that its a little pointless suggesting one will thrive in an area that another will not. Ive demonstrated that cyanescens from europe (?) will fruit on all the same substrates as subaeruginosa and is almost macroscopically impossible to differentiate between certain subaeruginosa variants. (whiter stem and lacks inrolled margins). Im sure Anno would agree that azurescens, cyanescens, and subaeruginosa will thrive in quite similar invitro conditions - surprising when you consider the large distances between their natural but similar habitats. I have read a theory that azurescens may have originated from the baltic - but its only a theory.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
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UPDATE : I got 6 pounds of azure spawn going good. But I dont know how to upload pics. When I can, I will update with pics.
Everything is working out great .
(note : please stop the negativity in this thread people, its pretty hurt)
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FAQ's: posting pics
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Im not being negative - unless ofcourse being negative is the same as pointing out factually incorrect statements. It is important to correct misinformed statements so that others who read these posts are able to formulate an informed concept of the realities of these issues. If i was flaming anyone, then sure im being a wanker, but when im correcting factually incorrect statements that people choose to make then im only doing it for everyone's good. Peace
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
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unless of course being negative is the same as pointing out factually incorrect statements. It is important to correct misinformed statements so that others who read these posts are able to formulate an informed concept of the realities of these issues.[...] when im correcting factually incorrect statements that people choose to make then im only doing it for everyone's good.
Exactly! Here is an interesting article I recently read on this topic.


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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2207343 - 12/29/03 09:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am not meaning you bluemeanie... I am meaning others in this thread. Sorry for the confusion.
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God what a day... Just trying to be cool.. I did not mean you bluemeanie.
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No problem - good luck with it all mate!
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2208926 - 12/30/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some dishes and some agar to maple (cyan) myc :


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? about those last two pics. is that an agar disc slapped onto a piece of wood?
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Yes . Its a pretty ghetto tek. I used a microwave on the maple before I put the agar on also. Bare with me, I am new at this.
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i think you would greatly benefit from reading the mushroom cultivator by paul stamets.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: eric_the_red]
#2208974 - 12/30/03 12:24 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey, atleast its working good.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: lalala]
#2211000 - 12/31/03 12:33 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Count me in. I would love 2 help. I have a few large projects going on myself. What harm would it do attempting this. I have to believe that just through natural selection and adaptation.... over time these particular species of fungus will travel eastward in WA, OR, CANADA at least to the foot hills of the cascades. The key to success is spreading the love as far and as wide as possible.
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Id suggest you use a spawning meduium rather than simply slapping a piece of agar onot some wood. Why not follow one of the tried and true methods - spawn with corn flour and wood chips and then use this to spawn a large bag of wood chips.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2214908 - 01/02/04 10:23 AM (20 years, 30 days ago) |
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This is just my side projects, I have myco bags going also for the main project.
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with these guys a little cardboard spawn can go a long way... just a thought... it's easier than agar for many people
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: nubus]
#2220833 - 01/05/04 02:51 PM (20 years, 27 days ago) |
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>with these guys a little cardboard spawn can go a long way... just a thought... it's easier than agar for many people
Isn't agar > grain > cardboard > woodchips the way it goes?
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I think that introducing a species is the same as killing one (wild boars into Hawaii, Midgees in Klamath Lake, Humans into Australia...ect). i would like to see azures all over canada, but at the same time you have not studied its effect on other species at the mass introducing you are talking about. Im no Mycologist but it seems that no reputable studies have been done to support any reason for trying to introduce azures into Canada. You talked about Azures "replacing" Cyans, well i happen to love cyans, and for them to be replaced by azures, i would be pretty disapointed. so maybe you should think about trying to introduce a species that is already there NATURALLY. It is just my 2 cents for nature.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: KreeprCeepr]
#2239487 - 01/13/04 02:17 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Im living in canada in the great lakes area, where azures whill grow, alas there almsot impossible to find around here. Id like to start various mycelial cultures around myself, but id need a print or syringe, can anyone help me?
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Any results?
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#3260974 - 10/21/04 03:49 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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if u hav unlimited access, u should m ix up garbage can fulls of spawn and wood, then make a hugeeeeee pile in a giant hole. let it colonize, then make liek 10 more huge underground piles. that should give u PLENTY of spawn to go around urself and throw sum flakes in ppl's mulch beds. hehehe
you will be like johnny azure seed/spore
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: 4hodmt]
#3264522 - 10/22/04 12:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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It will never be extinct and they can grow in a wide variety of climates. If you want some feel free to buy a truckload of chips and make patches locally and maintain them annually. Put tehm in places where they can spread by spores naturally. I wouldnt bother/risk sneaking in spawn to nurserys. It sure would suck if some other guy buys chips for a cyan grow and gets azures in his patch too. Then again it would be cool to be the guy who gets the fruit of your labor and realizes there azures.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Gr0wer]
#3274600 - 10/25/04 08:24 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible for azures to be growing up around the great lakes, Lake Erie in specific? I live relatively close to there, and our climate is humid oceanic. The east coast isn't very far from me either in all actuality. If I were a wood cultivator I would most definately help out in this ordeal. Infact I should probably go read up on some teks, because there's nothing I would love more than to have atleast my own personal bed of azures each summer 
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Silven]
#5032985 - 12/08/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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>is it possible for azures to be growing up around the great lakes, Lake Erie in >specific?
The south of the lake is in the plant hardiness zone of ~6, so the answer is yes, for the south of the lake.

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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#5033036 - 12/08/05 07:13 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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im on the border line of 5a and 5b any chance azures will come back every year in that climate?
it is cold and rainy in the fall
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Psychoslut]
#5033080 - 12/08/05 07:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might want to cover the beds before the really cold temperatures with a new layer of wood chips(4, 5 inches) or a few layers of cardboard to protect the beds.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#5033093 - 12/08/05 07:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds good. A guy would think that it gets allot colder near lake Erie, than it does here. Lake Erie is allot more north than me.
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Re: Project "spreading Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Psychoslut]
#5035835 - 12/08/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The "lake effect" ups the temp to a usda zone 6 directly around the lake. Like a big ol' heat sink.
Some have said that there isn't substantial evidence for global warming or that it isn't expected by scientists to effect us in the next 20 years.... You should look at the evidence/theories again. The ones put out by scientists, not the government.
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theshiftingwalls said: It will get sooo hot in 20 years that Vancouver would be likes southren Washington. Seattle would be more like northren Oregon.
hate to burst your bubble, but i've lived in both northern oregon and seattle. and aside from the fact that there are less thunderstorms in seattle, the weather is identical. also, many scientists dont belive in global warming as anything other than natural trend changes in the earth's climate. some speculate that this "warming period" is actually preceeding an ice age. so yeah. might want to start spreading that spawn southward.
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: starseed1066]
#5037869 - 12/09/05 05:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vast majority of credible scientists do believe in it, however. The argument is no longer if it exists, but to what extent humans have altered it. The greenhouse effect is a natural phenomenon that plays a central role in all things weather / climate. Humans have effected this with our output of CO2 and other gasses. Even the most conservative sources have admitted that much:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#Q11
Several scientific factions predict an ice age as a result of global warming. The warmth melts the glaciers, the seas ability to regulate the current temps decrease, the seas rise causing tectonic changes, geological events occur that may cloud the skies, and then the heat wave is over.
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: LynxRufus]
#5037882 - 12/09/05 05:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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If nothing else this guy has a great idea just for the simple fact that there are so many people out their picking mushrooms. I've read at a couple different sites that scientists are seeing less and less of certain "highly valued" mushrooms cause we're picking the hell out them.
Maybe it's time we all make an effort to put some back! At least us mushroom pickers, anyway.
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: LynxRufus]
#5037908 - 12/09/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I've read at a couple different sites that scientists are seeing less and less >of certain "highly valued" mushrooms cause we're picking the hell out them.
And I have read a paper on a Swiss study thatt went over 30 years on whether picking mushrooims has any effect on the fungal population, and the answer was cleary: NO, picking mushroom fruit bodies does not harm the fungal population.
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#5037945 - 12/09/05 06:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some mushrooms even evolved to be tasty and healthy so animals will eat them and spread them. If you use a mesh bag to carry mushrooms in you will spread all sorts of spores.
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Psychoslut]
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Most true, psychoslut, most true.
I was just repeating things I read, anno. Various places posted that this is being looked at right now. Simply shouldn't have worded it the way that I did, for sure. I will try to post my sources (have to find them). I love reading all things fungi, so would you mind posting your source?
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: LynxRufus]
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Re: Project "saving Azure" 2004-2009 [Re: Anno]
#5040754 - 12/09/05 06:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice article. My translator (that comes with mac os x) did not do it justice however. The jist I got was they studied a few plots of land for 11 years and found that picking had little effect in these areas? (please correct if wrong) Very cool. I'd love to see something similar with a non-mycorrhizal species, as they would probably be more at risk of damage from over picking.
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: theshiftingwalls]
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In our midwest town the parkboard chips all the fallen hardwood trees and piles them all at a central location. People are allowed to go there and load up the chips for thier yards. We've spawned these huge chip piles with both azures and ovoids. It won't be long before these little guys are everywhere!
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: jamh13]
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jamh13 said: In our midwest town the parkboard chips all the fallen hardwood trees and piles them all at a central location. People are allowed to go there and load up the chips for thier yards. We've spawned these huge chip piles with both azures and ovoids. It won't be long before these little guys are everywhere!
nice one man!! what a nice treat to get from a pile of free wood chips!! ovoids in the spring and azures in the fall!. thats awesome, good work.
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#12407901 - 04/17/10 08:06 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just have to chime in here OP - N wish you some wicked nice azie vibes all the way from here in Wisconsin Keep up the good work man - these azies are taking over my yard - and soon like you they will be in small micro climates in the urban areas around here too - so if they disapear in WA and PNW - b damn sure that these in WI will also b around for a LONG ASS TIME!!! Azures are soooooo easy to make spawn with!!
 Notice the frost n ice on the caps - im the last one around still watering a frozen garden But man these fall fruits are sooooooo pretty - i think im n love!!! Good luck bro - may you b overwhelmed with azies before you know it And remember they do like the cold - was my first thought on making em grow in WI I picked mine last fall the beginning of november to the end of the month - thats really damn cold here n WI - Hopefully the snow stays away this yr too!!
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Re: Project "Spreading wood loving actives" 2004-2009 [Re: sporeRider]
#12412751 - 04/18/10 02:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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anybody have a spore print or a cultrue of either Ps. cyanescens or Ps. azurescens they'd be willing to send to HI? send me a PM... JustMe and I thought it might be a good idea to start a fat patch up in PoliPoli or near the crater on Maui...
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