The_Red_Crayon said:

What happened to the Hippocratic oath?

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zappaisgod said:

I dropped this in the Shrillary thread before I saw it here because it went along with what I had been asking there for quite some time. Are you really sure you want health police, because that is what you're going to get?

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For Example:


How about drug users drop their dope before procedures?????


How about Heart transplants for vegans only?

How about no knee surgery for Idiots who exercise on CONCRETE (it screws up your knees)

How about people who ride a motorcycle and fall off????

How about people who listen to Loud music?????

UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE


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thecornking said:

for your analogy to make sense it would have to state:

No red meat for 1 month before heart surgery?
No working out on concrete for 1 month before a knee replacement?
No listening to loud music for 1 month prior to whatever treatment one would need to repair an eardrum?

Your argument is of a slippery slope variety, and a poor one at that.

For a free or drastically reduced price for an extremely expensive neck fusion, one must be forced to quit smoking for "gasp" 4 weeks prior to the fusion, and then through whatever time it takes to fully recover? i'd say thats more than a fair tradeoff.

Besides, it is true that smoking prolongs and sometimes has deleterious effects on the recovery from surgeries like spinal fusions and other procedures, causing the surgeon to have to redue the surgery.

Sounds like if the gov wants to exercise quality control measures when paying for your surgery by ensuring that they wont have to pay for a repeat procedure or that the money spent (OUR TAX DOLLARS) arent wasted b/c the procedure wasnt a success, I wont complain.

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Well said.

Some people tend to jump off the deep end when new ideas are presented.

niteowl said:

Some people tend to jump off the deep end when new ideas are presented.

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And some people are so naive it's sickening

niteowl said:

If stopping smoking for 4 weeks before surgery makes the surgery easier (and cheaper) on the surgeon and the patient.......where is the problem?

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gopenguins said:

Problem is the government is controlling it, not free markets. Its not a choice, its not something you talk about with your physician, its a requirement decided by the government.

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Quote:

The ruling, authorised by Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, comes after medical research conclusively showed smokers take longer to recover from surgery.

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Since it is a government sponsored system........where is the problem?

IMO people who smoke should pay higher insurance rates. I also think insurance rates should be reduced for living a healthy lifestyle. Get the Medical field to work with the Insurance field to solve some of the health care issues.


Let people do what they want with their body, adjust their health insurance rates based on a yearly physical exam by a Dr.
Just don't make me have to pay more for my insurance because of all the alcoholics that need a liver transplant, and smokers looking for a new lung.

niteowl said:

gopenguins said:

Problem is the government is controlling it, not free markets. Its not a choice, its not something you talk about with your physician, its a requirement decided by the government.

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This is an article about British health care.......not American.

British health care is run by the government.......isn't it?

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gopenguins said:

niteowl said:

gopenguins said:

Problem is the government is controlling it, not free markets. Its not a choice, its not something you talk about with your physician, its a requirement decided by the government.

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This is an article about British health care.......not American.

British health care is run by the government.......isn't it?

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Which is also an awful thing. This just shows why socialized medicine is so destructive to freedom. It gives the government reason to control peoples bodies.

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