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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: myndreach]
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My bad - I use a PC, obviously many people achieve their desired results without. My opinion is that without a pressure cooker I would have no mushrooms.


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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: myndreach]
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myndreach said:
Non-organic will often have fungicides on it, and organic will not. Go ahead, use non-organic. Spend the time making jars, innoculating, incubating, and then wait 3 weeks and realize you have no growth because you didn't use organic BRF and all the spores you just used were killed by the fungicides in your BRF.

Your choice to take the risk, but yeah, go ahead. :smile:

I have never used in a PC in the years I've been involved in this hobby. One contam once that was from a bad syringe.

And your last grow netted 2.5 grams before it got contaminated? USE a PC-I learned it from RR.


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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: dshak66]
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Yer PC's are for noobs if you doing BRF :laugh:, if grains then yes u will need one but i dont use one now for my BRF casings (ive forked out enough for electronic scales and other shit) and havent had one contam. Im not even that sterile anymore however i used to be anal sterile when i first started. If you want to have peace of mind use one but 45mins in a big steaming pot (with some weights on the lid) works swell.

All the best :smile:

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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: myndreach]
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myndreach said:
Non-organic will often have fungicides on it, and organic will not. Go ahead, use non-organic. Spend the time making jars, innoculating, incubating, and then wait 3 weeks and realize you have no growth because you didn't use organic BRF and all the spores you just used were killed by the fungicides in your BRF.

Your choice to take the risk, but yeah, go ahead. :smile:

I have never used in a PC in the years I've been involved in this hobby. One contam once that was from a bad syringe.


Thats complete bullshit. You're not going to have fungicides on your brown rice. It's amazing how these rumours get started and how many people believe them.But thank you for your permission to use "'non-organic".
  I imagine this rumour was started by some hippie.

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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: dshak66]
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dshak66 said:
myndreach said:
Non-organic will often have fungicides on it, and organic will not. Go ahead, use non-organic. Spend the time making jars, innoculating, incubating, and then wait 3 weeks and realize you have no growth because you didn't use organic BRF and all the spores you just used were killed by the fungicides in your BRF.

Your choice to take the risk, but yeah, go ahead. :smile:

I have never used in a PC in the years I've been involved in this hobby. One contam once that was from a bad syringe.

And your last grow netted 2.5 grams before it got contaminated? USE a PC-I learned it from RR.


Um, once the mycelium has colonized and is fruiting I think that the fact that he used a pc or not is irrelevant, as sterilization will only allow colonisation to take place unhindered not protect the mycelium from contams indefinetly.

Also, about the fungicides. We have antibiotics in meat, heavy metals and DDT in fish and loads of herbicides, pesticides and fungicides in grains and veg, and they are normally water resistant as they have to resist rain and stuff.
  White rice, without the husk, I wouldn't really worry about as any stuff on the outside will be gone(ish) but brown rice and especially for growing shrooms on, i'd think twice about.

If even the original PF tek recommends organic rice, there must me a reason behind it


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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: Nibin]
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i use rye flour from walmart and millet flour, no problems here, and im tellin ya i dont even use a pc for grains and im good, the microwave is so much faster and easier, and it works just fine.
i honestly cant see how microwaving soaked/boiled/strained
(24 hrs./2 hrs./20 min.) popcorn in a ziplock jar(or any sealable/microwaveable container) with tyvek filter for 4 min. and fruiting it directly from the jar could not be the easiest way for a total newbie with no money to do it with stuff already around the house, or at the post office for free.

i know a lot of people dont like popcorn, but it just doesnt get any easier than popcorn in a microwave:thumbup:


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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: Nibin]
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Nibin said:
dshak66 said:
myndreach said:
Non-organic will often have fungicides on it, and organic will not. Go ahead, use non-organic. Spend the time making jars, innoculating, incubating, and then wait 3 weeks and realize you have no growth because you didn't use organic BRF and all the spores you just used were killed by the fungicides in your BRF.

Your choice to take the risk, but yeah, go ahead. :smile: NOT true-at ALL-Look, I am just helping.

I have never used in a PC in the years I've been involved in this hobby. One contam once that was from a bad syringe.

And your last grow netted 2.5 grams before it got contaminated? USE a PC-I learned it from RR.


Um, once the mycelium has colonized and is fruiting I think that the fact that he used a pc or not is irrelevant, as sterilization will only allow colonisation to take place unhindered not protect the mycelium from contams indefinetly.

Also, about the fungicides. We have antibiotics in meat, heavy metals and DDT in fish and loads of herbicides, pesticides and fungicides in grains and veg, and they are normally water resistant as they have to resist rain and stuff.
  White rice, without the husk, I wouldn't really worry about as any stuff on the outside will be gone(ish) but brown rice and especially for growing shrooms on, i'd think twice about.

If even the original PF tek recommends organic rice, there must me a reason behind it

NOT true-at ALL-Look, I am just helping.


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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: dshak66]
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dshak66!

Is not accepting private messages.

Only he should because that avatar would seem to denote a fixie tinted a wonderful shade of orange and ridin' on gumwalls.

Mushrooms...and bikes...you are male, right? :frown:

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Re: im a total newbie with no money at all [Re: dshak66]
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dshak66 said:
Nibin said:
dshak66 said:
myndreach said:
Non-organic will often have fungicides on it, and organic will not. Go ahead, use non-organic. Spend the time making jars, innoculating, incubating, and then wait 3 weeks and realize you have no growth because you didn't use organic BRF and all the spores you just used were killed by the fungicides in your BRF.

Your choice to take the risk, but yeah, go ahead. :smile: NOT true-at ALL-Look, I am just helping.

I have never used in a PC in the years I've been involved in this hobby. One contam once that was from a bad syringe.

And your last grow netted 2.5 grams before it got contaminated? USE a PC-I learned it from RR.


Um, once the mycelium has colonized and is fruiting I think that the fact that he used a pc or not is irrelevant, as sterilization will only allow colonisation to take place unhindered not protect the mycelium from contams indefinetly.

Also, about the fungicides. We have antibiotics in meat, heavy metals and DDT in fish and loads of herbicides, pesticides and fungicides in grains and veg, and they are normally water resistant as they have to resist rain and stuff.
  White rice, without the husk, I wouldn't really worry about as any stuff on the outside will be gone(ish) but brown rice and especially for growing shrooms on, i'd think twice about.

If even the original PF tek recommends organic rice, there must me a reason behind it

NOT true-at ALL-Look, I am just helping.



Hmm, even RR says that a PC isn't needed for a PF tek, just a properly done steam sterilisation. That is because rice contains a lower amount of bacterial endospores than grain.

That is why grain requires the use of a PC or at least multiple stage sterilization, soaking overnight to let the endospores germinate, simmer etc.

Microwave I can't say much about, but I know you have to be careful to avoid substrate drying out.

http://www.shroomery.org/8409/PF-Tek

Original PF tek specifies ORGANIC brown rice, and it is a time proven working system. Most people use organic rice.

Also, If you have proof that all non organic rice has no fungicide content i'd like to see it. This is an extract from a fungicide patent found online

"Owing to the special cultivation conditions of rice plants, the requirements that a rice fungicide has to meet are considerably different from those that fungicides used in cereal or fruit growing have to meet. There are differences in the application method: in addition to the foliar application method used in many places, in modern rice cultivation the fungicide is applied directly onto the soil during or shortly after sowing. The fungicide is taken up into the plant via the roots and transported in the sap of the plant to the plant parts to be protected. In contrast, in cereal or fruit growing, the fungicide is usually applied onto the leaves or the fruits; accordingly, in these crops the systemic action of the active compounds is considerably less important."


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