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Question about the history of growing shrooms?
    #678927 - 06/14/02 06:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

When did the PF tek originate and when did people start growing shrooms indoors. Also does anyone know, since the PF tek and other teks has there been a big increase in the number of shrooms on the street?


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: stealth]
    #679413 - 06/14/02 10:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I was about to go searching and tell you what I found but then I thought: why the fuck should I (or anybody) do the work for you? I'm sure you could find this shit if you acutally looked. Anyways, enough of me bitching;

I think it was in the late 70's early 80's (unsure about this!). Mushrooms had been grown indoors prior but contamination was a huge factor. The sterile substrate and dry verm barrier (revolutionary against contaminates at that time) were the key to easy home cultivation. Yes, i'm sure since the PF-tek came out there has been an increase of mushrooms sold on the streets but this is only because any idiot can follow the fucking PF-tek and sell mushrooms. Anybody who acutally knew what he was doing and was dealing...or any smart grower wouldn't be using the PF-tek.


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: stealth]
    #679581 - 06/15/02 05:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well PF has been selling spors for years. They are the 2nd oldest spore seller in the world after homestead book co.

You can buy my cd-rom for $19.99 plus $5.99 shiping and handling prioroty mail. 198 pages and more than 158 photographs of cultivation of mushrooms and some new methods for growing with four animated growing videos included.

email me por pm me about this cd.

And no, mushrooms are very rarely ever sold at street level.

The popularity of growing came form the publication of the McKenna brothers book Psilocybine Magic Mushroom Growers Guide.

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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: stealth]
    #679946 - 06/15/02 10:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>when did people start growing shrooms indoors?

It was first done by mycologists in the 1950's I think, but home growing really started in the 1970's. there were guides to/workshops for growing shrooms before Oss and Oeric but Terence/Dennis are credited with getting the first reliable guide into print. The PF-tek has caused an explosion in growing in the last 10 years by solving the contamination problem. There is not an established black market for shrooms the way there is for cannabis/xtc/cocaine etc. and supply and demand are rather patchy. with the increase in cultivation maybe this will change in the next decade or two?


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #680081 - 06/15/02 12:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

mj, Im really curious about chinese history of mushrooms, a while back I stumbled across endless chinese sceintist facts on mushrooms, I have'nt seen you mention anything about them,,,, also as far as I know in american history, the south american indians were the first peoples to cultivate them inside caves, but then the europeans, french also cultivated mushrooms inside caves, but mushroom growing seems easier then fungus, and the chinese cultivate fungus at a wholesale price. I don't know of a european into fungus. So I'm really just asking you, who do you think were the first and best to develop mycology?


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: why]
    #680203 - 06/15/02 01:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>There is not an established black market for shrooms the
>way there is for cannabis/xtc/cocaine etc. and supply and
>demand are rather patchy. with the increase in cultivation
>maybe this will change in the next decade or two?

Don?t think so. With the ever increasing amount of home cultivation there is no real need for a well developed black market as with some other drugs.



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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: Anno]
    #681206 - 06/16/02 02:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>Don?t think so. With the ever increasing amount of home cultivation there is no real need for a well developed black market as with some other drugs.

Fair point. Another reason perhaps is that many 'recreational' drug users have little interest in mushroom tripping. If your just looking for a good time then alcohol, speed, E, coke, are the drugs of choice. I don't think there can be much doubt that there will be some increase in availability of shrooms on the black market.


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: why]
    #681398 - 06/16/02 07:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"Published reports on the home cultivation of P. cubensis began to circulate in scholarly journals as early as 1975 (Weil, 1975a, 1977; Ott, 1975, 1978). At the time when these first reports describing the home cultivation of hallucinogenic mushrooms appeared in print, ethnobiologist Jonathan Ott and Dr. Andrew Weil could scarcely imagine the enormity of both small and large scale mushroom cultivation operations which were sprouting up, so to speak, across the United States, Great Britain and Europe."

This report above is from Allen and Gartz, 2002 Psilocybian Mushroom Cultivation: A Brief History.

And more info:

"Dennis and Terrance McKenna, along with Jeremy Bigwood and Kathleen Harrison, using the pseudonyms of Oss and Oeric (1976), produced the best selling of all of growing manuals intended for a small audience interested in the home cultivation of Psilocybe spp. This book described several newly developed techniques originally employed in the cultivation of Agaricus bisporis. Instructions to be used in propagating Psilocybe cubensis were accompanied by step-by-step photographs of the process involved, enabling the grower to produce a good crop of mushrooms (Fig. 10). Eventually, this piublication was translated into several foreign language editions (See Fig. 10a).

The tremendous popularity of this growing manual encouraged many users into becoming home cultivators of hallucinogenic fungi. Its successful popularity in the drug subculture led to the proliferation during the next two years of more than half a dozen more books on mushroom cultivation (Harris, 1976; Gotlieb, 1976[1997]; Unsigned, 1976a [Hongero Presses Mushroom Cultivators Bible]; Pollock, 1977; Gould & Meridith, 1977; Stevens & Gee, 1977).

Oss and Oerics growing manual was also followed by the publication of more than a dozen hallucinogenic mushroom guides and identification manuals. By 1985, French and German translations of Oss and Oeric's book appeared in print in Europe (Stijve, 1989, Pers. Comm.)."

And Ott further stated,

"Over the years, these advertisements for mushroom growing supplies have reached millions of potential cultivators, many of whom obviously attempted to cultivate P. cubensis. In 1978, an independent researcher of psychoactive plants and author of several books and articles on the subject of hallucinogenic fungi claimed that "there is probably not a sufficient quantity of wild mushrooms to satisfy the demand[s] of a growing number of users" (Ott, 1978)."

And further Weil wrote the following:
In 1980, Andrew Weil reported that "a number of companies now sell by mail kits to grow the mushrooms and spores of the common species. Federal law controls all `materials' containing psilocybin. Spores of the mushrooms do not contain the drug and are (therefore) legal, although they produce illegal material when they germinate." Weil then goes on to say that "growing mushrooms from spores is not as easy as growing higher plants from seeds, but many people have learned to do it, especially with P. cubensis. As a result, that mushroom is now available all over America."

And from the United Nations Bulletin on Narcotics we get the following report and a response form Gartz and I:


"A RECENT REPORT AND OBSERVATION


A recent United Nations paper (Seigel, 1985), which reviews current drug use among California teenagers, reported that "psilocybin mushrooms are the hallucinogenic drug of choice among young people in California. This trend has been supported by the proliferation of sale of mushroom spores and growing kits which enable users to cultivate their own products cheaply, reliably, and directly. The most common cultivated species has been [and still is] P. cubensis, selling for approximately $10.00 per unit (usually one dried gram)." This report further states that the "use of psilocybin may decrease" one reason being that "the inconvenience of growing and the storing of psilocybin mushrooms is likely to result in their decreasing use." This same government funded report also states that a decrease in the use of these mushrooms by the youth of California might also come about because of the availability of many newer designer drugs, some of which are not, as yet, under the control of the federal government.

Three misleading and confusing factors pertaining to this report should be mentioned and clarified:

1. Most teenagers who purposely consume psychoactive fungi for recreational purposes only require one dried gram of P. cubensis to achieve an altered state of consciousness, while the normal recommended clinical dosage for this species had previously been reported as being from 3-5 dried grams (Stein, 1958; Ott, 1976, 1978, 1993). This higher dosage would be relatively comparable or equivalent to the amount of mushrooms eaten during a Mazatec healing and curing ceremony. If teenagers were able to consume a larger amount of mushrooms they would most likely "run the risk of a negative [(not dysphoric)] reaction" to the inebriation. Most teenagers feel content with the mild one gram dosage which is not a danger to their health.

2. Although it is true that many teenagers are involved one way or another in the illegal use of both illicit and legal drugs--the primary ones being alcohol, tobacco and Cannabis--there are just as many who may be prone to experiment with psychoactive fungi. However, those who do most likely would never be involved in their cultivation; the reason being, many teenagers who use psychoactive mushrooms know how to pick them and would rather pick them than grow them. This would be applicable since many young people would not have enough patience required, for the time involved, in growing them."

3. Large quantities of P. cubensis can easily be grown quite efficiently in the space of a walk-in-closet or small room. Over the past fifteen years, one of the authors (JWA) has been most fortunate in being able to gain the confidence of several growers, many of whom allowed him to observe both small and large scaled cultivation operations in progress. One observation which JWA became aware of was that none of the growers of P. cubensis whom the author met with had ever felt or thought that it was an inconvenience in growing or storing their entheogenic fungi crops.""

And for the shrooms in China:


Mj

AS for China, there ae several references to magic mushrooms in early Chinese Heral remidy manuals.

Particularly from the Chin Dybnasty which describe Cures for the Laughing Sickness for certain tyoes of mushroom poisonings.

I have no records of South American Indians cultivating any mushrooms. The Mazatec (Nahuatl Indians did not cultivate any shrooms nor did the Olmecs, Toltecs or aztecs for that matter.

The earliest cultivators of mushrooms are the Termites and Ants who raise certain species of mushrooms for food both underground and above ground.

Mj


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: why]
    #681433 - 06/16/02 07:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

the reason people don't think to do shrooms is 1, they thing eating a fungus is nasty, 2 the media doesnt publicize shrooms so most people dont know much, and 3 they are hard to find on the street.

In my area in know tons of people looking for shrooms, literally since one jack off at my school found out i was growing shrooms ive had like 20 people call me looking for large amounts like ounces and shit.


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: stealth]
    #681767 - 06/16/02 11:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Stealth,

Yes the media is one of the most common ways to let people know that magic mushrooms are around. Read my pages at my site at:

http://mjshroomer.yage.net/news.htm

there are numerous newspapers announcing the annual collection of mushrooms from all over the world posted there at that site.

Word of mouth is the number one spreader of locations and regions where shrooms are. In Seattle they have been at every major park in this city from early 1970s on.

Radio stations in Seattle and Portland, Oregon announce that the mushrooms are up every year here in the PNW.

Media is the 2nd most common method of spreading the Ascent of Psilocybian Consciousness throughout the world.

As for twenty of your friends from school calling you for shrooms.

Busted.

Thats what happens when you let your friends know you might be having a few around.

Busted.
That is also not good kharma at all.

And dealing shrooms in school if you had considered that a possiblility would only get you more busted since it is a felony to deal drugs within 1000 feet of a school.

That is why cops and legistlators oppose legalizing drugs because they do not belong at schools.

Hehehe

Well, maybe at the college level since by them most people should have some idea of exactly what it is they are doing.

I would think twice for sure about having people from school letting other people from school you do not know, know your business.

Have fun with this one. Hope nothing bad happens.

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (06/16/02 11:22 AM)


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Re: Question about the history of growing shrooms? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #681815 - 06/16/02 11:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

the only person who knew about my shrooms before was my best friend who was growing them with me. We werent planning on telling anyone. Then my friend goes and rips me off (long story... fake e pills, stole money and stole weed from me). He then tells people im growing. I dont plan to sell any by the way.


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