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Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores)
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don't knwo if anyone is fermiliar with Terrence McKenna (i'm sure you probably are if you like mushrooms), but i was wondering... in one of his books he talks about how mushrooms could conceivably be from another planet because their spores are capable of interplanetary travel. My question is, how harsh do conditions have to be to kill spores? It seems like they die instantly in hot water, or upon exposure to many various chemicals, has anyone ever conducted experiments on the parameters under which they will survuve?


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: lemunhed]
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any spores making their way to earth would be killed extremely fast when they got near the atmosphere.


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: lemunhed]
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WE all are from this planet, 99% of us all reproduce inthe same manner, so the spores here are from here.

Dennis and I talked about this.

However, since you mentioned Shrooms in Space.

Well here they are.



mjshroomer


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: mjshroomer]
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I believe what Terrence McKenna was talking about was the possibility of microscopic organisms being trapped in ice inside of interplanetary debris. I know that it sounds crazy but it is entirely feasible. As far as all life on earth being similar in their biological functioning, who's to say that all life wasn't brought here at the same time. Think of it like a new island formed by an underwater volcano. At first there is no life on that island, but as different life forms float, fly, or are carried there BY OTHER LIFE FORMS the island becomes populated with a myriad of different organisms all linked together into a delicately balanced ecosystem. As time goes by (thousands of years), the environment shapes the different plants, animals, bacteria, and fungi etc. into life well suited to reproducing and thriving given the particular parameters provided. Earth could have easily started off in the same manner. Who knows, but with an infinite volume of space, it's hard to believe that there's not life out there somewhere else. And if it's out there, it could have traveled here some way.


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Edited by Ekstaza (05/17/03 12:41 PM)

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: Ekstaza]
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trapped in ice inside of interplanetary debris



of course allthat would have melted and burned up upon entering the earths atmosphere.;

mj

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: mjshroomer]
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I liked some of the idea by Terrence McKenna but I find that he seems more intrested in selling his books than anything else. As for the spores could be from another planet but sorry no, spores do not have spaceships:) Although it could be possible from space. But the chances are they came from this planet because the mushrooms they produce have chemicles that are very simular to seratonine a neurotransmitter of the brain. Now given the vastness of space what are the chances that an organism could produce the same type of chemicle than the inhabbitants of the planet is lands on.


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Edited by jezu (05/17/03 09:11 AM)

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: EvilGir]
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Given the size of the asteroid that is believed to have crashed into the earth and killed the dinosaurs there surely would have been plenty of pieces that survived intact.

Evolutions happens over millions of years and it's not just a strait line of progression, it branches. The different paths taken lead to entirely different entities, but with similar chemistry.

Maybe our species will be the next to experience the terror of being replaced. Our world is way over due for it's turn in the target pool of the intergallactic shooting gallery.


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: Ekstaza]
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Here's a very interesting article that you guys may find interesting. It's a little long on the read but has some vrey nice photos in it. Enjoy!
http://www.astrobiology.cf.ac.uk/cultured.html

Peace,
-TekNut-

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: TekNut]
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Great article TekNut. And I'm not just sayiong that because it supports my theory. I enjoyed every minute of reading it.


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: Ekstaza]
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I have to read that but i have no time right now. I wasn't saying that spores are definetly from outer space, i was just postulating that it would be possible. I agree with you Ekstaza, you probably could have fragments of an asteroid left over. I guess no one knows exactly how hard spores are, it wold be interesting to do an experiment about this though....


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: EvilGir]
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I liked some of the idea by Terrence McKenna  but I find that he seems more intrested in selling his books than anything else. 



:shocked: blasphemer! :shocked:
:wink: 


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: lemunhed]
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.... I wasn't saying that spores are definetly from outer space, i was just postulating that it would be possible..... 



Exactly  :wink: 


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: Ekstaza]
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So which came first, the mushroom or the spore?  :wink:

-TekNut-

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) *DELETED* [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: poke smot!]
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Outside of asexyual reproduction we all fuck. All males have penis' which when inserted into vaginas, make new babies. procreation. preservation of thespecies. we all have two eyes, two ears, two noses, two to four feet or even six to eight legs but we all fuck.

same earth same reproduction organs, except octopus which have a few hundred thoudans babies and Sea Horses which the male has more than 1600 babies. we all see where we are going except moles and many c reatues who live underground. All this indicates we are all fromhere.

thats the bottom line.

mj

AS for cats, they fuck to, just like you and me except they do not use the missionary position.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (05/18/03 07:05 AM)

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: mjshroomer]
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Researchers have found some organisms deep underwater that are silicon based and could not live on earths surface. Would you say that they are the same as everything else?


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: poke smot!]
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We are all fungus of the earth. We are all parasetic and we all live onthe dead material of other living plants and growths. Once we opick a vegetable it is dead and we eat it and grow. Shrooms live off of the decayed matter of other living things. We are all biologically linked to the earth and we arew all fromthe earth. And of the Earth.



mj

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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: mjshroomer]
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I'd say there's a pretty good chance that we're not from this planet. I do agree that all life on earth is related to echother, genetics has proven that. But the first life on earth might have fallen from the sky in a meteorite or something. There a lot of scientist who agree this is a possibility.
Bacteria could survive a ride on a meteorite. They are extremely hardy creatures. Bacteria from eartch have been to space and back and have survived. They live in the most harsh conditions on someplaces of this planet, like geisers and such. I don't know much about spores but I guess it would be even easier for spores to survive.


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Re: Shrooms in SPACE!! (hardiness of spores) [Re: mjshroomer]
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Terence McKenna had an interesting analogy that went something like this; He said why do sand dunes look like wind? Because the forces around it(wind) shape it like that. Why do we look like humans? Same deal here, the main force being time.

So saying this, what's to say there isnt another place in the multiverse that doesnt have the same or similar forces? Other than that it could be physically possible. Maybe the spore(which can survive indefinately in space) did enter the atmosphere at a very slow rate, I think the main question to answer would be how would they get away from the planet they came from?

Now, I think everyone is picturing psilocybian mushrooms coming from space, this doesnt seem reasonable like what John is saying, because there are many more species. They wouldve had to come very early so many other species could evolve from them. And since primative mushrooms usually require a symbiosis to survive, it doesnt seem very possible that wherever they would've came from hade plant life similar to our own.

I know you're getting me John, and it seems pretty unlikely now that I think.

Edited by psychopsilocyber (05/18/03 11:05 AM)

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