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America is Great: just not right now
    #670558 - 06/09/02 09:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Bad leadership with an unhealthy national agenda is threatening the status of our country as a great world leader right now.

The international community, as whole pretty much, looks down at us and falts us for so many wrongs....not signing the Kyoto Treaty. human rights violations, continued proliferation of meaningless wars, etc.

What can we do to stop this cycle? I am totally afraid that under Cheney we will desrtoy this country and everything that we, as a people, have fought for and paid for to help make us one of the greatest countries on the earth.

Where are we heading under this administration?

For one, I see us continuing these meaningless wars. If we go into Iraq, again, I fear that the end will be all too near. We have NO business there...NONE....yet, our leaders are pushing us there.......

what will you do, personally, as a citizen who is funding these meaningless wars, to STOP this insanity?


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: PGF]
    #670615 - 06/09/02 09:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think the problem is with our government's outright support of warlord leaders, expecially Sharon, the Middle East and surrounding area seem to be the brundt of the worlds' problem. So if protest is unified against supporting Sharon, a propagandized activist agenda can seem intelligent, since this is the easiest case to argue about, with the public, and against bush, it does'nt involve drugs, government structure, oil, it only involves how Sharon's policies are wrong. Hopefully after next friday I can have detailed information about the Israili/Palestinian conflict.

Expecially how Bush has not met with Arafat personally, it shows an arrogant ignorance, and bias, discrimination, while Bush meets with Sharon monthly, if Bush is the peaceful solution seeking person, he wants to appear to be, he needs to meet with Arafat, also,

maybe it's that Bush is afraid what Sharon will tell his Father!


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: PGF]
    #670741 - 06/09/02 10:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It is sad time indeed. I read up on foreing papers etc,and it is sad how our image has gone to hell literally. I love this country and it makes me sad that this is happening. It started with the elections. They started laughing then. Then the more our president spoke the more they laughed. Then there is the real ugly truths you bring up PGF. I don't see much option to the war on terrorist. We either take them on or they will continue to kill americans.However, this Iraq war that son wants to finish for dad is a diffeent story. And we have done other unjust things.Much of the world is starting to see the US as a Bully.It is really sad.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: PGF]
    #670786 - 06/09/02 11:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What part of destroying our remaining manufacturing industry is worth signing the kyoto pact? How do we have no business in Iraq? Are we fighting a war on terror or not? An attack on freedom anywhere is an attack on freedom everywhere. And we must protect Israel's freedom and interests in the middle east even more so than our own.

As a citizen, personally, I'm taking action. I'm working with the national republican congressional comittee to get congressman elected to office that are good pro-life republicans, that understand how important it is to protect our national interests and the freedom and soverignty if Israel.

What do you want PGF? Do you want the democrats to take control? Do you like them attacking the president on his plans to get the economy going? Do you like them blocking good judges? Do you like them attacking our president on his plans on national security and defence? Is your plan to be as obstructive as possible? Are your plans to rally and demonstrate for socialism? Is that what you're planning to do?


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: PGF]
    #670814 - 06/10/02 12:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

We shouldn't sign the Kyoto treaty. You should keep in mind that even the Senate wouldn't ratify that treaty. Australia declined to ratify. That treaty as it stands is unworkable in that it punishes countrys that have done well while allowing those that have not to continue polluting. While there are some things that should be done, this treaty is not the way to go. To blame Bush for failing to sign this treaty is foolish at best, dishonest at worst.

We don't belong in Iraq? So we should just let Saddam go on developing biological and chemical weapons? Then when they are smuggled into this country and used against us, I can envision your posts then. Bush knew and did nothing, is what i see you saying then.

We are the greatest country on this planet, as such we have a special duty to ensure we remain so. If accomplishing that means we do some things that some few whiners and whining countrys don't like.... too bad.

Frankly, the bad leadership ended when Bubba left office. Now there was a scumbag if I ever saw one.

Your post has inspired me to write yet again to my representitives and encourage them to support Bush and the actions he has been taking both domestically and internationally.

Too bad that asshole Jeffords turned out to be such a traitor to the people who elected him. Throwing control of the Senate to the Democrats has made it much more difficult to swing this country back in the direction it should be headed.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #670815 - 06/10/02 12:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

> And we must protect Israel's freedom and interests in the middle east even more so than our own.

I don't understand why do Israel's freedom and interests have priority over palestinian freedom and interests?
I think USA got attacked because it protects freedom of some while denying it to others.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #670822 - 06/10/02 12:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

>We don't belong in Iraq? So we should just let Saddam go on developing biological and chemical weapons?

Why did USA support and help Saddam when he was using biolgical and chemical weapons against Iran and Kurds?
As I remember he was your best friend.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #670826 - 06/10/02 12:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Countries that have done well have contributed the most to the problems the Kyoto Protocol addresses. The protocol also recognizes the need for developing countries to, well, develop, and so it attempts to distribute the inevitable damage humans currently inflict on their environment more evenly and fairly, in the interest of that progress.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #670827 - 06/10/02 01:02 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This sentence wasn't quite complete. Tell me if I'm on the right track...

"I'm working with the national republican congressional comittee to get congressman elected to office that are good pro-life republicans, that understand how important it is to protect our national interests and the freedom and soverignty if Israel..."


"...would just disappear from our international agenda."
"...somehow came to represent the opposite of our foreign policy."
"...says it's okay."


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: zeronio]
    #670828 - 06/10/02 01:02 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"I don't understand ..."

That's completly obvious.

"why do Israel's freedom and interests have priority over palestinian freedom and interests"

It's just when it comes to their(Palestinians) freedom to attempt to kill innocent men, women, and children enters the picture that the prioritys change.

"I think USA got attacked because it protects freedom of some while denying it to others. "

Such a foolish statement deserves no response.






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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: zeronio]
    #670829 - 06/10/02 01:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"Why did USA support and help Saddam when he was using biolgical and chemical weapons against Iran and Kurds?"

We didn't help him kill Iranians and Kurds. I'm SURE we didn't support his use of biological and chemical weapons. Do you suggest otherwise?

"As I remember he was your best friend. "

Your memory is faulty.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: hongomon]
    #670833 - 06/10/02 01:13 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"This sentence wasn't quite complete. Tell me if I'm on the right track..."

Don't know about right, but you are on the left track.
Replace the "i" in "if" with an "o", Simple Simon.
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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #670841 - 06/10/02 01:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"It's just when it comes to their freedom to attempt to kill innocent men, women, and children enters the picture that the prioritys change."

That is not true. Your government does not change priorities because of that and never did. Israel can have concentration camps, occupy neighbouring countries, etc. but US priority will never change.
Remember that numerous UN resolutions demand from Izrael that they should leave occupied teritories and these resolutions are supported by entire world except USA and Israel.

"We didn't help him kill Iranians and Kurds. I'm SURE we didn't support his use of biological and chemical weapons. Do you suggest otherwise?"

Of course you are sure - It's obvious that you follow only establishment media and their propaganda.

Look here if you want to see the other side of truth:
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9804-rogue.html

Here is a quote from Noam Chomsky:
At the time, the "threats to our interests" could not be laid at Iraq?s door either. Saddam was then a favored friend and trading partner. His status changed only a few months later, when he misinterpreted U.S. willingness to allow him to modify the border with Kuwait by force as authorization to take the country over?or from the perspective of the Bush administration, to duplicate what the U.S. had just done in Panama. At a high-level meeting immediately after Saddam?s invasion of Kuwait, President Bush articulated the basic problem: "My worry about the Saudis is that they?re...going to bug out at the last minute and accept a puppet regime in Kuwait." Chair of the Joint Chiefs Colin Powell posed the problem sharply: "The next few days Iraq will withdraw," putting "his puppet in" and "Everyone in the Arab world will be happy."



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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: zeronio]
    #670845 - 06/10/02 01:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"That is not true. Your government does not change priorities because of that and never did. Israel can have concentration camps, occupy neighbouring countries, etc. but US priority will never change.
Remember that numerous UN resolutions demand from Izrael that they should leave occupied teritories and these resolutions are supported by entire world except USA and Israel."

You didn't notice the little edit I did...look again. With "their" I am refering to Palestinians not Israel. Israel may have prisons but they do not have concentration camps. Israel occupied those "neighboring countries" because they were going to ATTACK them and personally I think they should have kept every GD bit of land they "occupied" after that little war.

"Of course you are sure - It's obvious that you follow only establishment media and their propaganda.

Look here if you want to see the other side of truth:
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9804-rogue.html "

The other side of the truth? More like the leftist wackjob side of the truth...which is whatever he makes it to be.
It's obvious you follow only far left WACK JOB extremists liberal FOOLS. Do not quote that pyscho babble B.S. Noam Chomsky blurts out of his gaping meat hole. Not a word that comes out of him is worthy of thought. He is a leftist wack job period(.)


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #670848 - 06/10/02 01:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Have you read a Chomsky book Great Cthulthu? I still have'nt, however I am already reading about his work in linguistics, his studies proved to be the most useful in long use, compared to other linguists before, and after his old studies, (before 98), another linguist I am reading, who has published little political like, has reccomended his specific linguistic work as better then others who have critisized it. The linguist who reccomended has done linguist works from 1960.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #670851 - 06/10/02 01:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Political discussion FAQ:

Q: What do I do when I run out of arguments?
A:
- Say that your opponent is a communist and his sources are communist/leftish/extremist propaganda.
- Start bitching


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: nugsarenice]
    #670858 - 06/10/02 02:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

He may be a good linguist but he is a leftist wacko when it comes to political discussion. Being a good linguist doesn't make you good at politics.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: zeronio]
    #670879 - 06/10/02 02:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Cthulhu's Political discussion FAQ for liberals:

Q: What do I do when a clear headed individual actually challenges my wacked out view of things?
A: Point him to some biased leftist material ...maybe some Chomsky.
Q: What do I do when the guy doesn't take Chomsky's wacko liberal anti-American views of the the United States seriously and doesn't want to argue with someone(Chomsky) that isn't even in the discussion?
A: Make a bad joke and tell him he's just bitching, name calling, and can't argue.

Chomsky's main argument is basically = America is bad bad bad and I don't like it. It takes little effort to shoot down his views on most subjects. I'm not going to argue about every little bit of pablem he's vomited forth over time and you decide to post. To do so would simply be a waste of time. He's just like so many other leftist/liberals. He enjoys in twisting things to support his own anti-american views and is no doubt boneheaded/unmoving even with facts shoved right in his face. Chomsky's view of events are NOT factual. They are his OPINIONS and THEORYS. Point me to true factual information if you want me to argue with you about something. Otherwise keep your meat hole shut.


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #670942 - 06/10/02 04:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"...keep your meat hole shut."

You convinced me, your arguments are too profound for me. You gave me so many proofs that I was wrong - I'm finally beginning to see the light. Thanks!


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Re: America is Great: just not right now [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #671154 - 06/10/02 07:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Chomsky's is the bravest American I have ever seen, just because you don't want to admit the evil doings of our country does not mean we haven't done it.
First fact we complain about weapons of mass destruction in others countries (except Israel of course) but there is no other country in the world with more weapons of mass destruction like us.
Second we are the only country to ever use nuclear weapons against civilians, and we use mega amounts of chemical weapons against Vietnam, (In the name of democracy and freedom)
All the Latino American Dictators were sponsored by the US, why? because there elected candidate there were thinking of there countries interests and not ours.
Chomskys does prove you with facts but you are just in denial, wake up!


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