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 Re: America's Response to Others and Itself  [Re: zappaisgod]
#4261365 - 06/05/05 08:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is my position that I don't care about Israel. It is my position that we shouldn't be involved with it at all.
I don't think it should have been created to begin with, but accidents are in the past, and what matters is now. What matters is that we need to stop wasting money on Israel, and let the situation play out as it will, without U.S. involvement.
Does that mean Israel will invade the Arabs? Probably, but I could care less. I've got news for you: That's natural selection. But Israel could not take out all of the Middle East, sorry to burst your bubble. If they tried to "invade every fucking backwater Arab shithole," they'd end up like Nazi Germany who tried to take over everything at once and got now attacked from all sides.
I could care less about Israel. All I'm saying is that it's not our concern, and as long as we're not disturbed in such a way to warrant military involvement, let the Israelis and the Arabs fight to the death if that's what they want.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
#4263907 - 06/06/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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We should immediately send spies over to Europe, and send figures over there to spread dissent. If we can spread dissent enough in one country as to create a revolution, we could easily assist the revolution and have a puppet government in place.
Hey, do you think you're the one who made that up? It is very obvious, seen from Europe, that the spies have arrived a long time ago. Implicitly pro-American think tanks seem to pop up like mushrooms (remember the OSI? do you think it was abandoned, or just went undercover?), and several governments are already American puppets. Whoever is in power in Great-Britain is the US's pet. Always has been. More recently, we've had Berlusconi in Italy and Aznar in Spain (voted away after being too amateurish at post-3/11 propaganda and deception - not everyone can be a George W.). Poland and a few other eastern countries or politicians act like US puppets too.
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Also, America could easily solve the problem of terrorists by stopping to interfere in the Middle East. Stop supporting and funding Israel, stop getting involved in the Middle East beyond the bare minimum to get cheap oil, and terrorist attacks against the U.S. will, for the most part, disappear.
How naive can you get? Your whole "American" lifestyle is based on cheap oil, hence maximum interventionism, and bound to grow into outright occupation (didn't you notice a recent trend?). Oil is only going to get scarcer, so either the price will go up, either interventionism will increase... or America won't be what is used to be. And Israel is part of that whole plan.
Uncle Sam is an oil junkie, prepared to kill for a cheap fix.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Aldous]
#4283669 - 06/11/05 02:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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The point that I like about this thread, beyond the actual mechanics, is that of being unashamed to look towards maximizing the interests and security of the United states on the global scale.
In a sense it is a philosophical issue surrounding the "world government" propaganda that has been spewing down our necks since WW2. Here is a fact, WW2 wasn't the first war between world powers, and it won't be the last. It seems we want to forget human history and instead cherish an unproven idealistic view of the world in which peace is everlasting.
This mentality brings about complacency and from complacency comes an opportunity for those lower in the pecking order to seize a chance at taking over the lead position! (Those that are itching to the top, and aren't being very secretive about it is ....TADA... Europe...specifically the E.U.)
Instead of looking at the world stage as a power struggle between nations, we instead view is as "imperalistic" and wrong.
The stigma attached to hitler and his quest for world domination will infect us until the next world war, afterwards nations realize what must be done in order to secure their nations power indefinitely.
There is nothing wrong with promoting your country with nationalism fervor or recognizing the enemies that will come to be.
I think our current struggle in Iraq is also buying into this ideal because it completey ignores world powers that could actual rival the U.S. We think the world will stay how it is forever, so why not invade some weak country if it means protecting us in the slightest?... WRONG... we need to open our eyes and see nations as the sole threat (which deems military thinking, let cops worry about terrorists) to the united states.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: esin]
#4283725 - 06/11/05 02:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now seriously. I'm starting to understand those people that are noticing striking resemblances in todays US with the Nazi germany before the WWII.
The nazis had very a very similar nationalist logic as the one expressed in the original post. They didn't have nuclear bombs or depleted uranium tho
I'm very sadly in agreement with you. 
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: esin]
#4283745 - 06/11/05 02:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you explain to me what exactly is it you guys fear about Europe?
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: exclusive58]
#4284114 - 06/11/05 05:25 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Europe is the biggest threat to the U.S. The weaker, individual countries have been aligning themselves into the E.U. so as to strengthen and unify Europe in quite a few ways, and looking at the current economics of the world we see they're succeeding. The Euro is currently stronger the U.S. dollar.
Is there anything wrong with Europe? Of course not. To me, they are simply trying to strengthen themselves and assure their place in the next century, even taking steps to become the next superpower. There's nothing "wrong" with strengthening yourself and assuring your survival.
But following that logic, neither is there anything wrong with the U.S. strenghtening itself and assuring its survival. And because the rather socialist E.U. is the most powerful rival to the U.S. in terms of their military, their economics and their politics, the only sensible course of action is to begin to prepare ourselves in case we must put our foot down and say no one will threaten U.S. supremacy.
If you want to think of the situation in terms of black and white, right and wrong, the factors that make the E.U. wrong in the currently U.S. controlled climate are the fact that they seem to be the next U.S. They're not facing a major HIV pandemic that would weaken them according to current predictions of scholars and scientists, they don't simply create our goods, but rather the E.U. is a collection of people who would be just like the U.S. They are the inventors and holders of major world seats, and soon they will be the top-dog if the U.S. weakens itself without doing anything about Europe.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
#4284487 - 06/11/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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How would Europe embracing socialism affect the US? That would never be allowed, anyway. Look at what happened to Nicaragua when they were set to attempt a form of socialism.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: bukkake]
#4284907 - 06/11/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel like Europe would be better to have as the number one super power as opposed to the US. People seem a lot more rational there, and largely I feel they are more peaceful, less materialistic, and just much nicer in general. I could be wrong though.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#4284960 - 06/11/05 11:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel like Europe would be better to have as the number one super power as opposed to the US. People seem a lot more rational there, and largely I feel they are more peaceful, less materialistic, and just much nicer in general. I could be wrong though.
They'll kill our children if given the chance blacksabbath. Don't buy into their smokescreen of lies. I've been to Germany and got drunk with the local kids. I saw that concentration camp glare of insanity and cold blooded ruthlessness in their eyes. It was fleeting, but it popped up from time to time.
Europe is a land only known for their wars and deviency. They've failed the world 10 times over, 100 times for the past 2000 years. Don't trust a lick of what they say. Only the rational, good-hearted, and noble people left that shithole for America.
Be happy you descended from those with pure-hearts and have triumphed at the world stage, because if you let those scoundrels run things for even a moment, guantonimio and abur gareab will look like the time-out room at St.Mary's Catholic pre-school.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
#4285482 - 06/12/05 01:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Europe is the biggest threat to the U.S.
Really? I thought North Korea, Iran or Syria were part of the axe of evil or something...
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The weaker, individual countries have been aligning themselves into the E.U. so as to strengthen and unify Europe in quite a few ways, and looking at the current economics of the world we see they're succeeding. The Euro is currently stronger the U.S. dollar.
Actually the dollar is catching up with the euro since the euro is getting weaker. Economy isn't something stable son. Its not because things are this way today that they will be tomorow.
Just trying to reassure you...
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Is there anything wrong with Europe? Of course not. To me, they are simply trying to strengthen themselves and assure their place in the next century, even taking steps to become the next superpower. There's nothing "wrong" with strengthening yourself and assuring your survival.
First, Europe cannot become the "next superpower" because it is not a country, it does not have one voice. And second, no country is stupid enough to think they'll become the next superpower, and its not because you aren't number 1 that your "survival" isn't possible.
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But following that logic, neither is there anything wrong with the U.S. strenghtening itself and assuring its survival. And because the rather socialist E.U. is the most powerful rival to the U.S. in terms of their military, their economics and their politics, the only sensible course of action is to begin to prepare ourselves in case we must put our foot down and say no one will threaten U.S. supremacy.
lol. The US is already spending ten times more money on the military than all other european countries together. You have nothing to fear concerning europe's military power, and anyways, in most european countries, the military budget is the least of everyone's concern.
How did you arrive to the point of being scared of european politics and economy?
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If you want to think of the situation in terms of black and white, right and wrong, the factors that make the E.U. wrong in the currently U.S. controlled climate are the fact that they seem to be the next U.S. They're not facing a major HIV pandemic that would weaken them according to current predictions of scholars and scientists, they don't simply create our goods, but rather the E.U. is a collection of people who would be just like the U.S. They are the inventors and holders of major world seats, and soon they will be the top-dog if the U.S. weakens itself without doing anything about Europe.
haha, if you really think this, then you should be ten times more afraid of China's potential in the future.
And what is so incredibly unacceptable about not being #1 in the world anymore?
Leaders should be an example for other countries, but seeing how the US has absolutely no respect of its environment, of human rights and of world peace, i'd really be okay with some other country being #1, even though the US is going to stay at that rank for quite some time still.
You come out as being one heck of an arrogant and ignorant person.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: looner2]
#4285487 - 06/12/05 01:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been to Germany and got drunk with the local kids. I saw that concentration camp glare of insanity and cold blooded ruthlessness in their eyes. It was fleeting, but it popped up from time to time.
hey you hang out with neo-nazis! how unsurprising!
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: exclusive58]
#4285682 - 06/12/05 03:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Really? I thought North Korea, Iran or Syria were part of the axe of evil or something...
The U.S. has over 10,000 nuclear bombs and is a major superpower. We could easily wipe out those countries if provoked. The E.U. would be much more difficult to fight.
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Actually the dollar is catching up with the euro since the euro is getting weaker. Economy isn't something stable son. Its not because things are this way today that they will be tomorow.
Yet the E.U. is nevertheless strengthening under a unified currency, the Euro. The unification of all the European countries under the Euro allows Europe to have more economic interdependency and easier trading between E.U. countries, and will eventual be a major point of Europe turning into a unified market.
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First, Europe cannot become the "next superpower" because it is not a country, it does not have one voice. And second, no country is stupid enough to think they'll become the next superpower, and its not because you aren't number 1 that your "survival" isn't possible.
If you watch the trends from a century or even some decades ago to today, you'll notice the individual European countries growing stronger and tighter bonds, including the Euro, the E.U. and soon, if passed next time, the E.U. Constitution. Europe is not yet one unified country, but the alliances and situation in Europe is making them more like one everyday, and a powerful one at that.
The top-dog is the one that will survive the fight, so being #1 should be the priority of everyone who wants to assure their survival. How many people will try to invade the U.S. with its powerful military and nuclear arsenal? We currently have the most powerful castle against the armies swarming outside, and it's an unwise decision to let that go.
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haha, if you really think this, then you should be ten times more afraid of China's potential in the future.
If you read my original post, there are quite a few reasons why I believe Eurasia isn't as much of a threat to future U.S. supremacy as Europe. Some scientists predict that there will a significant HIV epidemic in Eurasia which will readily slow their progression and economic growth, unless of course we find a cure for HIV within the next 10 or 20 years. And I don't think we should count on that.
Also, Eurasia is generally more overpopulated with lower standards of living, much lower in some parts, and faces enough problems on its own. India is distracted with Pakistan, and others in Eurasia have their eyes faced on North Korea or each other. I don't think we have as much to fear from the problematic Eurasia compared to the strengthened E.U.
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Leaders should be an example for other countries, but seeing how the US has absolutely no respect of its environment, of human rights and of world peace, i'd really be okay with some other country being #1, even though the US is going to stay at that rank for quite some time still.
Leaders aren't there to be examples; leaders are there to assure the survival of their country and the protection of their citizens. Whether or not other countries like us doesn't matter as long as we are still the ones on top, unthreatened by other strengthening unions and countries around the globe.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: exclusive58]
#4285845 - 06/12/05 05:14 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exclusive, german kids aren't generally neo-nazis at all.
The last post from Looner shows that he either is coming down off a multi-day meth binge or that he lost every last bit of his sanity. Or he may be simply trolling to get reactions.
Yep Europe's history is violent. However it's been relatively peaceful for the last couple of centuries, except for WWI and WWII (both caused by one single country ruled by maniacs - which btw had the same expansionist logic/lack thereof as Looner2) and the colonial wars in africa (which was mainly caused by the authoritary/dictatorial regimes across europe which fortunately are all GONE now).
There is a *thorough* and very active opposition to any type of war/slaughter in most of the european population of today, unlike most of the american population. But i bet looner will say it is all part of the EU's big conspiracy to kill american children.
Like communists who were said to like to eat children at breakfast and give lethal injections behind old people's ears during the Mccarthy period  .
Looner you are the one which belongs to the scary named party with a scary simbol (which btw i find somewhat reminiscent of the swastika). You are the one who says america should do whatever the fuck they want. You are the one who seems to think america should have an empire throughout the world.
America is indeed the only western country who doesn't seem to mind killing people (including children or whatever the fuck gets in their way) to accomplish any of their goals.
Like every single country in the world America has LOTS of good and LOTS of bad.
I think you might be projecting onto Europe all of the worse America has.
Although i find america a beligerant country (much more than any european country) i'm not so out there as to think America wants to kill european children - you might, Looner, but fortunately your country in general doesn't.
America is economically very interested in a peaceful, prosperous Europe. The opposite is also true.
What we should all do in the world theater is work together to create a harmonious peaceful world with no war or hunger. We are all humans with the same goals and worries, whether we live in Europe, America (the continent), Asia, Africa or Oceania.
We are all ONE but unfortunately our greed for power and money blinds that from us
I'm off. This discussion which is going nowhere fast...
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
#4286140 - 06/12/05 09:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey why does learyfan edit all of your posts?
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: exclusive58]
#4286232 - 06/12/05 10:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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He doesn't. It's something Ravus put in his signature.
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Asante
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: looner2]
#4290374 - 06/13/05 08:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Europe is a land only known for their wars and deviency.
Europe is not a land.
Known to whom? Why is there rampant anti-americanism in the Third world and not anti-europeanism? I had to invent that word.
Why was the world trade center the symbolic prime target for sept. 11? Could it be that American "world trade" is viewed by many to be the prime source of world injustice?
"injustice" is the prime motive of radicals, you should know.
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Only the rational, good-hearted, and noble people left that shithole for America.
And once in America the rational, goodhearted and noble people shafted and genocided the native americans out of their land, handing smallpox-contaminated blankets to tribal chiefs to aid in the genocide. They wiped out the buffalo and built their country on black slave labour and the descendents of those black slaves weren't even allowed to sit on the same park bench with some of our older white shroomerites.
Only the noble people?
A lot of antisocial characters went to america to make it in a land where you could shoot people on sight and steal their land, and alot of criminals fled to america to not be apprehended by the law in Europe. Opportunists, outlaws, gunfighters, crooks.
Oh yeah and some righteous noble people too.
Now where is that smiley?
 there, found it.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: looner2]
#4291368 - 06/13/05 01:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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They'll kill our children if given the chance blacksabbath. Don't buy into their smokescreen of lies. I've been to Germany and got drunk with the local kids. I saw that concentration camp glare of insanity and cold blooded ruthlessness in their eyes. It was fleeting, but it popped up from time to time.
Europe is a land only known for their wars and deviency. They've failed the world 10 times over, 100 times for the past 2000 years. Don't trust a lick of what they say. Only the rational, good-hearted, and noble people left that shithole for America.
HAHAHA! What the feck are you smoking? Totally fecking mad you are mate. Sweet Jesus I just don't know where your twisted perception of reality could come from.....
Big up your dealer cos he must be hitting you up with some hardcore shit 
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Asante]
#4295813 - 06/14/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Known to whom? Why is there rampant anti-americanism in the Third world and not anti-europeanism?
Because their jealous, and want to be where we are. In order to bring down the best, you must hate the best. Not hard at all to understand.
A lot of antisocial characters went to america to make it in a land where you could shoot people on sight and steal their land, and alot of criminals fled to america to not be apprehended by the law in Europe. Opportunists, outlaws, gunfighters, crooks.
Oh yeah and some righteous noble people too.
Yeah, "the land of opportunity" has no historical connotation at all. Seriously, you are so desperate here. "antisocial characters"? Shoot people on sight?
Give me a break. While europe was rotting and dying in the 18th-19th century, who were the ones that strapped up their boots and decided to risk it all in favor of a better life? Those who came to america. We are not the lame ducks who'd rather wallow in their own filth then try to make it better for themselves. Those with guts, individuality, and drive are the ones that got on those ships to sail across to a world hardly known, in hopes of making a better future.
Europe houses some of the most unsavory genes of the entire world genome. If it wasn't for the endless conflict and war up until the 20th century, WW1 and WW2 did them in REAL good. They killed of their youngest, brightest, and strongest in wars for centuries, while the weak, crippled, and cowardarly sat at home hoping for that America will save them. (And we did)
First all the ambitions and hardworking left europe, then you guys killed eachother off. Now what do you have? I would wager the irrational idealogues and the limp wristed.
Guess what? That is exactly what that pitiful continent has! In closing, here is a hilarious article which really summarizes the degenerates of french/europe society. Truly sickening! 40% of french men want to be women !!!!!!!
http://www.channelcincinnati.com/irresistible/4600424/detail.html
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: looner2]
#4296609 - 06/14/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, at first one might just think it was a conjecture that Europeans are rather mentally weak and unstable, but then we see that evidence. Simply amazing.
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First all the ambitions and hardworking left europe, then you guys killed eachother off. Now what do you have? I would wager the irrational idealogues and the limp wristed.
That's exactly what the U.S. has observed. Europe is a land where socialists rise to power, spouting that the government should steal from the people to fund the poor and weak. There are some of these in the U.S., but overall there seems to be far more resistance to socialism in the U.S. than in Europe, possibly because the people who fled to the U.S. were those who saw time and time again how powerful government intervention with the people often only harms the country.
Europe: The land of the metrosexuals and the socialists.
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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
#4296876 - 06/14/05 09:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol...we should fix our own problems before we go off creating "revolutions" in other countries, and by the looks of it, its going to be decades before we even scratch the surface. Wheres the "revolution" in Iraq?
The fact of the matter is, not everyone wants to be a McDonalds eating, MTV-watching, careless, mindless, hopeless human being, which is what America thrives on. Not all humans have the same ideals as we do, and not all humans will ultimately embrace ours just because we shove them down their throats. I think that's made apparent by suicide bombings.
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