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America's Response to Others and Itself
    #4257183 - 06/04/05 09:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

America is currently making too many mistakes to even note. It is wasting money, letting other countries that are a threat to it grow strong, and losing rights for individuals within the country. What should America be like then?

First off, America should stop wasting money on social security, welfare and the War on Drugs. We should legalize and tax drugs, prostitution and gambling, and use the funds to advance America.

Using that advancement, we should invest the income from taxing drugs, prostitution, gambling and such on both the military, including weaponry, and most importantly science. America needs to secure its place in this century, and the best way to do that is to be the first to discover top of the line weaponry.

America is also wasting money by sending funds to help others without getting anything in return. The only time America should be charitable is when the return for Americans is greater than the money we've wasted; that is, almost never. America's first and only priority should be America. In other words, maintain an isolationist policy unless we're threatened economically, militarily or politically.

For example, in the coming century, I believe we're overestimating the strength of Eurasia. Quite a few scientists have speculated that there will be a major infestation of HIV in India, Russia and China, that will severely cripple their growth. Some have even said that, within the next 25 years, Eurasia will become the next Africa. I think Eurasia has enough problems, so that we can divert our attention to the real threat: Europe.

Europe is a union of arrogant socialists who would like nothing more than to take America's place in the world. They are already trying to unify and strengthen themselves economically and militarily. If we allow Europe to continue at its current pace, I believe Europe will be the biggest threat to America, and may even take over as the next superpower. Obviously, we need to do something quickly to ensure our survival.

We should immediately send spies over to Europe, and send figures over there to spread dissent. If we can spread dissent enough in one country as to create a revolution, we could easily assist the revolution and have a puppet government in place. From this puppet, we can severely cripple Europe, and yet try to make it look like we're barely involved which would help our image.

First, we would assist this puppet in growing strong economically, and then help it strike out against the rest of Europe. We could make it seem like World War II with Germany, except in this case we'd be aiding them with rather covert support, sending them supplies and money and even soldiers if need be. Under our guidance, we would at least be able to slow Europe, if not completely take it over and ensure that it won't be a threat to us for the next century. We could spread propaganda all around Europe to help spread dissent even further, and like dominos, with American help, topple the European empire.

We should also create human rights here at home for our civilians. I could care less about the rest of the world, but in America the civilians should be protected so that they will be in full support of the government. The reason I am against Abu Ghraib and Guatanamo type actions is because if the government starts doing it to terrorists, what will stop them from doing it to drug dealers and others in the prison system? From there it would be a downward slide that could compromise the support of our actions from the American people.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4258831 - 06/05/05 07:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Puppets suck.

Nukes = key


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: esin]
    #4258843 - 06/05/05 07:38 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You're joking right?


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Kamek]
    #4258873 - 06/05/05 08:32 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

No i'm not. Europe is just a shitload of communists who want to take over the world.

I say we give'em a bunch of giant 'nukular' mushrooms.

While they're at it, the US might as well wipe every country out of existance. Ya know, they may one day want to take over the american empire.

If they nuke all at the same time the costs will be lower that doing several different bombings. And that way there'll be no anti-american sentiment growing among the populace because.....they're all gonna be dead at the same time!

Sounds like fun doesn't it? :grin:
Like zappaisgod taught me, yeeeahhhhawww rid'em cowboy!

Now seriously. I'm starting to understand those people that are noticing striking resemblances in todays US with the Nazi germany before the WWII.
The nazis had very a very similar nationalist logic as the one expressed in the original post. They didn't have nuclear bombs or depleted uranium tho  :shocked:

Ravus seriously, i always enjoyed your posts but they are getting scarier and scarier...
I hope this 'anti-whoever' imperialist/paranoid feeling isn't shared by many people besides you and looner2. Because if it is, and if it ever gets to the white house we will sooner or later have a WWIII. And a WWIII with today's weapon technology ain't gonna be pretty...


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4258876 - 06/05/05 08:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Can you explain to me what exactly is it you guys fear about Europe?


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4258893 - 06/05/05 08:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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America is also wasting money by sending funds to help others without getting anything in return. The only time America should be charitable is when the return for Americans is greater than the money we've wasted; that is, almost never. America's first and only priority should be America. In other words, maintain an isolationist policy unless we're threatened economically, militarily or politically.
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For example, in the coming century, I believe we're overestimating the strength of Eurasia. Quite a few scientists have speculated that there will be a major infestation of HIV in India, Russia and China, that will severely cripple their growth. Some have even said that, within the next 25 years, Eurasia will become the next Africa.





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We should immediately send spies over to Europe, and send figures over there to spread dissent. If we can spread dissent enough in one country as to create a revolution, we could easily assist the revolution and have a puppet government in place. From this puppet, we can severely cripple Europe, and yet try to make it look like we're barely involved which would help our image.
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We could make it seem like World War II with Germany, except in this case we'd be aiding them with rather covert support, sending them supplies and money and even soldiers if need be. Under our guidance, we would at least be able to slow Europe, if not completely take it over and ensure that it won't be a threat to us for the next century.
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We could spread propaganda all around Europe to help spread dissent even further, and like dominos, with American help, topple the European empire.





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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4258995 - 06/05/05 09:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my...


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #4259102 - 06/05/05 10:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My comment was actually directed at Ravus but I'm happy to hear you haven't completely lost it Esin...
How come you can be this misguided Ravus? You always seemed as if you were a pretty smart guy with a well thought out opinion of things but this last post seems very nonsensical to me...


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #4259115 - 06/05/05 10:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Good post, you bring to light the broader spectrum of U.S dominance and how its being threatened in the future. Beside the HIV thing, Europe competes with the U.S for innovation and invention, unlike china who merely builds what we think up. This will not change for a while. The E.U conglomerate will mimick the size and power of U.S almost exactly, except with strong socialists overtones which can only benefit us.

I don't know what the right course of action is, you mentioned puppet states, but that could create more harm then good at this moment.

I think we need to first address the problem, and then play it safe by simply drawing the battle lines. First that means getting out of the U.N as soon as possible. Second, removing all of our soldiers from europe, and third try to secure a strong aliance with eastern europe and russia. Russia is a tricky card to play because they are teetering on opposing very fundamental human rights that could alienate our respective idealogies. But we fought together like this before, and we might have to do it again.

Just by doing the above will shock the world and set a precedent for our relience on ourself and the recognition that we realize the power struggle that is taking place under our noses.

Hopefully we will instigate them to do something in return, and the struggle will rise to a boiling point.

If we force the E.U to come together before the kinks are worked out, and especially after their recent failure, then we might have an opportunity to strike while their pants are down.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #4259118 - 06/05/05 10:22 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Why would we need to send disruptive agents when the French and Dutch are doing it for us. "Vive la Europe, long live the Union."
Hahahahahhahahahahaha.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4259322 - 06/05/05 11:43 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would we need to send disruptive agents when the French and Dutch are doing it for us. "Vive la Europe, long live the Union."
Hahahahahhahahahahaha.




This is only temporary. Europe will keep trying, and under better economic circumstances when the people are more accepting, they will be united and even more of a threat.

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Good post, you bring to light the broader spectrum of U.S dominance and how its being threatened in the future. Beside the HIV thing, Europe competes with the U.S for innovation and invention, unlike china who merely builds what we think up. This will not change for a while. The E.U conglomerate will mimick the size and power of U.S almost exactly, except with strong socialists overtones which can only benefit us.




Good point, even without HIV I would not consider China or modern Eurasia as much of a threat to us as Europe. But why do you say that socialism in Europe can only benefit us? A strong socialist leader might be able to unite the Europeans and benefit them, in which case it'd be even more imminent for us to take them out.

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I think we need to first address the problem, and then play it safe by simply drawing the battle lines. First that means getting out of the U.N as soon as possible. Second, removing all of our soldiers from europe, and third try to secure a strong aliance with eastern europe and russia. Russia is a tricky card to play because they are teetering on opposing very fundamental human rights that could alienate our respective idealogies. But we fought together like this before, and we might have to do it again.




I agree. We should look to more than just to Russia, but to all of Eurasia. Eurasia is currently having so many problems that it'd be easy to slip U.S. control under their noses. Between the coming HIV problem, the tension between India and Pakistan, and the unpleasant living standards of many Eurasians, it'd be easy to create strong alliances and, from there, take Europe from both the west and the east if need be. And if we don't need to directly attack Europe, at least they'll be more hesitant to make any moves.

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Hopefully we will instigate them to do something in return, and the struggle will rise to a boiling point.




I don't necessarily think we should let this rise to a boiling point. We can't underestimate the power of Europe- we should always assume the enemy is stronger than we perceive it to be. Europe may have some cards up it's sleeve, and we need to chop off its arm before it even makes a move to pull them out.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4259503 - 06/05/05 12:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would we need to send disruptive agents when the French and Dutch are doing it for us. "Vive la Europe, long live the Union."
Hahahahahhahahahahaha.




This is only temporary. Europe will keep trying, and under better economic circumstances when the people are more accepting, they will be united and even more of a threat.




Why would you think that something that has existed for millenia is temporary? Interesting formulation.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4259518 - 06/05/05 12:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, I was more referring to the recent denial of the European Constitution. Seeing as you said long live the Union, I thought you were talking about the EU united under a constitution which the French and Dutch have disrupted.

In that context, I believe the EU Constitution will be passed under better economic circumstances when the people are more happy in France and the Netherlands. I believe they will approve the constitution in the future, which will be an obvious problem for the U.S. if it allows them to grow stronger.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4260059 - 06/05/05 03:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was being facetious. There has never been, nor do I think there will ever be, a European union. That anybody in England thinks this is a good idea is beyond me and Germany will say no next time. And the time after that the Scandinavians will say fuck it and after that, the former satellites will have found that they have made their own way quite fine without union and reject their loss of autonomy.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4260246 - 06/05/05 04:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think you should fear any foreigners that might or might not destroy your beloved USA.
I think the greatest threat comes from your current government.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Kamek]
    #4260253 - 06/05/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The current government will pass soon; the threat from other countries will not. If anything, the threat from Europe will only grow with time.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4260354 - 06/05/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Also, America could easily solve the problem of terrorists by stopping to interfere in the Middle East. Stop supporting and funding Israel, stop getting involved in the Middle East beyond the bare minimum to get cheap oil, and terrorist attacks against the U.S. will, for the most part, disappear.

Israel isn't worth the energy and funds we put into it. Let the Arabs deal with it as they will.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4260365 - 06/05/05 05:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: Ravus]
    #4261033 - 06/05/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Really, Adolph, in terms of support for Israel just what do you think we do? We give them money, as we do to the Palestinian coalition of extortionists. Is it your position that Israel should be removed? How about this for a concept, we take the gloves off of Israel and let them invade every fucking backwater Arab shithole. I got news for you, they'd win. Arabs are the most feckless fighters ever. They can only defeat each other and the stupid Soviet slaves. Everybody else kicks their ass. Let the Arabs deal with it??????? You're a funny guy. I'd love to see that happy. Then the Jews will be in control of the oil.


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Re: America's Response to Others and Itself [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4261363 - 06/05/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Who cares is the US is no longer the superpower? You think if you aren't #1 then you'll all die or something? It sounds like you're the one who's arrogant.

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Beside the HIV thing, Europe competes with the U.S for innovation and invention




And this is a bad thing why? This is nothing but a good thing. You seem to think US = God, or some superior race who deserves more, frick.


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