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Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present
#5838860 - 07/09/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present by Dr. Bennett Hermann
Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58. The counter- girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies. While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her,she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this? Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s......
Teaching Math In 1950: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of productionis 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?
Teaching Math In 1960: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
Teaching Math In 1970: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
Teaching Math In 1980: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your assignment: Underline the number 20 and ask an older relative to explain the word production to you.
Teaching Math In 1990: A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class discussion after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)
Teaching Math In 2006: Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100. El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas se puede comprar?
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Phred]
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You are just fortunate that there wasn't a line of angry customers behind you at McD's for making that poor girl confused. I was at a gas station recenttly and tried that exact change thing and it took at least 5 minutes with help from the other clerk to figure it out. Both clerks and all the people in the line were pissed at me for trying to avoid ending up with a bunch of change.
When I worked at McDs in 1969 we had to ring in each item by hand and usually from memory AND figure the change in our heads. Not only that, we were taught to count the change backwards to the bill(s) given. Not only that, EACH cashier could take the order, get the food, take the money and make change anywhere from 30-50 people PER HOUR. And we never cried. Well maybe when we got the $ 1.45 per hour paycheck with taxes taken out...
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5839039 - 07/09/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heh... last time I tried to give someone 8 cents to make an even 50 cents change, the clerk put my eight cents in the register, then gave me back eight cents and an additional four dimes and two pennies.
I didn't argue.
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Here's how I would teach math:
"A logger cut down all the trees on Earth, so now we have to go to other planets for resources. Your assignment is to design a rocket ship for interstellar travel. Keep in mind Newton's Law of Gravity, Quantum Mechanics, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If your answer is wrong you will burn up in the Earth's atmosphere."
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Everyone always blames "the schools" or "the math cirriculum" when this happens. I don't think that's the case, I think it's simply a matter of corporations looking out for the bottom line.
Anyone who has worked a cash register for a major corporation recently (as I did a couple summers ago) knows that a lot of this has nothing to do with math abilities and has everything to do with corporate policy. I was told by a manager that, as a lowly cashier, I was not allowed to make change for my own cash drawer. If I was out of ones, fives, or any of the coins, I has to get a manager to make change for me. I was also told that I was not allowed to make specific change for anyone. So, if someone gave me a $10 bill for an item that was $2.50, and asked for no $5 bills because they needed $1 bills for the bus or something, technically I was not allowed to do that (everyone did it anyway, because there was no way to enforce the rule, and it's just curteous).
Infact, I recall once being told that in the exact scenario in the first post I was NOT ALLOWED to give the man two quarters after I had already rung in his order as $4.00. It was explained to me that "Most con men wait until you have the drawer open to try and 'confuse you' with change," and therefore I should only ever give customers what the computer told me to.
As with the other rules, this tended to be broken frequently. But it's just something for everyone to think about the next time a cashier does something "stupid". More often than not, they're doing it because their boss told them to.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Economist]
#5840679 - 07/09/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea, I'm sure that most people working at McDonalds probably have advanced degrees in mathematics, but the man keeps 'em down.
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No, most people working at McDonalds don't hold advanced degrees in mathematics.
But many (especially among the cashiers) are highschool or college students working towards degrees. They are new to the job and just don't want to get fired, so they do what managemen asks, even when they know its stupid.
I'll also assume from my response that you can't dispute my point: that many corporations have policies which prevent employees from doing simple arithmetic for fear of hurting the bottom line.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Economist]
#5840943 - 07/09/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never ever worked at one place where I was told not to make change.
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I know it's racist, but it's funny
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She had prpbably had a long day full of people like you and was suffering from mental fatigue.
(Edit: Took out a flame)
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: I've never ever worked at one place where I was told not to make change.
I can list three places where I have worked that have official policies (you can find them in the employee handbooks if you look) of not making change once the register is open: Barnes & Noble The Gap Stop & Shop Supermarkets
I know because I worked at these places during highschool and summers when I first went to college. Now, in many of these places employees will eventually learn that it just pisses customers off not to make change as requested by the customer, but that doesn't change what it says in the handbooks.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: sever]
#5842176 - 07/10/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The girl was probably just stressed out by this. dealing with jackass customers all day can have a toll on basic mental function.
There is no girl, this is made up I've had something very similiar to this emailed to me. Granted there "might" have been this situation somewhere, but this exact one is only for shits and giggles.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Basilides]
#5842422 - 07/10/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your bumblefucked liberal mind sees that as "racism"? Thats the problem right there, anything that seems to go against the tide of massive non-white immigration and breeding, the influx of foreign (and quite crappy) cultures, well, thats "Racism". I guess you'd say that Bill Clinton and Karl Rove speaking before the National Council of La Raza (The Race) isn't racism though, right?
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Economist]
#5845267 - 07/11/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Economist said:
But many (especially among the cashiers) are highschool or college students working towards degrees. They are new to the job and just don't want to get fired, so they do what managemen asks, even when they know its stupid.
I agreed with your first point about the policies because I have been in a similar situation when I worked at the San Diego Zoo. However, based on the region I am in I would have to disagree with the statement quoted above. Most people at the McDonalds in my area either A) Dropped out of highschool B) Are currently enrolled in highschool (these are the people I dont mind giving my money/order too) or C) Cant speak any english. One of my buddies workd at McDonalds and had a hard time communicating with the "cooks." With that said, I dont think McDonalds or anyone else gives a math test before highering the bottom line employee. So, both policy and education could be to blame in any similar situation.
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This is a silly point, some people are not good at arithmetic in their head. I have a friend who is in grad school as a physics major, amazing at all sorts of advances math. A genius at geometry, he can visualize things that I cannot even begin to. I am far better at doing arithmetic in my head then him, in fact it will take him a while to figure out even relatively simple divisions or multiplication, do 16*11 in your head, not very hard right? Some people have immense difficulty. So I dont really see your point or are you just claiming that you are excellent at it, as if thats the case I have an inverse Laplace transform integral that Id love to see you do since you are obviously a genius at all forms of math.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5845394 - 07/11/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shit, just like the Matrix - I knew it wasn't just a movie!
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Disco Cat]
#5845497 - 07/11/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I came from Russia and got into 3rd grade in USA I was placed in an advanced math class because I already knew everything. Everything was taught earlier in Russia so I knew all my mutiplication tables way before I came here. But then I kinda stopped learning here because of the language barrier even though I learned English in around a year or two.
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: Yea, I'm sure that most people working at McDonalds probably have advanced degrees in mathematics, but the man keeps 'em down.
Maybe I am generalizing things but it seems like most people that work at fast food places are uneducated.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: downforpot]
#5845522 - 07/11/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I worked at a fast food place when I was doing college and I got into the habit of just doing what the computer said and shut my brain off till I got out of work. So if someone did that I was like ugghhh type in their money amount and then give the number back to them. then Go HI how can I help you, my brain was off the whoooollllee time.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: mikeownow]
#5845670 - 07/11/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mikeownow said: I worked at a fast food place when I was doing college and I got into the habit of just doing what the computer said and shut my brain off till I got out of work. So if someone did that I was like ugghhh type in their money amount and then give the number back to them. then Go HI how can I help you, my brain was off the whoooollllee time.
Yea, the same goes for calculators. I am taking trig in college right now and we are never allowed to use a calculator for exams. They basically give us small numbers to work with so that we can do it all in our heads.
It really depends on what a person orders because some orders do need a calculator ( cash register) so that you can process the customers' orders faster if they order alot of shit. Not mention that almost everything cost xx.95-99 cents which can be confusing.
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Teaching Math In PA&L: A logger hires a truckload of illegal aliens for $10. His profit margin is 400%. Why hire regular labor?
Good God, every single thread, even under the guise of math, ends up as a race thread.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: AaronEvil]
#5847035 - 07/11/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: One of my buddies workd at McDonalds and had a hard time communicating with the "cooks." With that said, I dont think McDonalds or anyone else gives a math test before highering the bottom line employee. So, both policy and education could be to blame in any similar situation.
I don't follow this logic: McDonald's doesn't care who they hire --> So blame the schools
If McDonalds was simply unable to hire workers who had any math skills, this would make sense. I think the reality might actually be a policy success story.
Look at youth unemployment in the United States compared to other nations (I'm gonna pick France because they make for a fairly stark comparison) In the US it hovers around 10%, while its up around 20% in France. This is actually a huge success for the US because other nations with similarly low youth unemployment rates (UK, Germany, you can check out others here : http://www.unece.org/stats/trends2005/employment.htm ) have universal government-provided college education, meaning that the youth labor pool is much smaller, and thus holding down youth unemployment rates.
The point is, in all of these cases if youth unemployment is low, then the youth of the country have a fairly good chance of getting jobs that pay above minimum wage. I know that in my area many stores have had to start offering $9 and $10 an hour just to get the employees they need.
So, the question is, how does McDonalds get employees willing to work for minimum wage? And the answer is, they hire people who cannot work other jobs because they don't speak english, or they lack other skills.
Again, this has nothing to do with the school system being a failure, and everything to do with the economy being successful.
I'd also like to note that I still stand by my above mentioned argument relating to change-making and management policies, I'm just trying to point out why the line of reasoning about Spanish-speaking employees has nothing to do with "Teaching Math" which is the topic of this thread.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Disco Cat]
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Asante]
#5847673 - 07/11/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just for your information, most of the illegal skilled labor competing for work and driving wages down in my specific specialty are Eastern Europeans, Poles and Ukrainians and Russians. In the field of electricians it is the Irish who predominate. There is nothing racist about it. In fact, you are the racist by your imputation that all illegals are brown people. Examine yourself.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: zappaisgod]
#5847922 - 07/11/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just for your information, most of the illegal skilled labor competing for work and driving wages down in my specific specialty are Eastern Europeans, Poles and Ukrainians and Russians. In the field of electricians it is the Irish who predominate. There is nothing racist about it. In fact, you are the racist by your imputation that all illegals are brown people. Examine yourself.
Yea... We had our porch built by two Russian guys for around 6k. It's fucking huge two, I'll take some pics later. Then they replaced all the pipes in the basement for half the price of what unions charged. Too bad we first hired union workers to fix the pipe, they charged 1200 just to drill through the concrete in the basement and replace a small section of a pipe up to 6 feet in the ground and then charged 150 dollars for every extra foot. Fucking rip off.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: zappaisgod]
#5848087 - 07/11/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Teaching Math In 2006: Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100. El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas se puede comprar?
Might this be some innuendo in the original post?
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you are the racist by your imputation that all illegals are brown people. Examine yourself.
I have examined myself. The original post is biased against mexicans.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Asante]
#5848442 - 07/11/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cited the article for him: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=9500
National Vanguard
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: downforpot]
#5850162 - 07/12/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It has been described as anti-Semitic, racist, neo-Nazi and homophobic.
The same is said of moderators 
But yes, NV is hardly neutral.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Asante]
#5851412 - 07/12/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was not aware that Mexican was a race. Your PC nonsense is probably the single greatest squelcher of informed debate extant in the world today. Thanks a lot. It is not racist to not pander to every single language. It isn't even racist to accomodate Mexicans and not Brazilians or Poles or whoever else. It's a fucking language, not a race
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: zappaisgod]
#5851484 - 07/12/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your PC nonsense is probably the single greatest squelcher of informed debate extant in the world today. Thanks a lot.
WTF 
Oh, wait, you're zappaisgod
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: Asante]
#5852434 - 07/12/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A cool fact that I herd the other day is that no matter what field of study, the number of total facts per subject doubles per decade so what the schools are doing is continually condensing subjects into younger grades. But my fear is that they go over all of it breifly and may be too complex for the kids to comprehend. In High School I was in Trig/Precalc as a junior while which is extremly early. I just thought that that was intresting and i'd let you guys know. peace.
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Re: Teaching Math, 1950 to the Present [Re: TheCow]
#5856094 - 07/13/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheCow said: This is a silly point, some people are not good at arithmetic in their head. I have a friend who is in grad school as a physics major, amazing at all sorts of advances math. A genius at geometry, he can visualize things that I cannot even begin to. I am far better at doing arithmetic in my head then him, in fact it will take him a while to figure out even relatively simple divisions or multiplication, do 16*11 in your head, not very hard right? Some people have immense difficulty. So I dont really see your point or are you just claiming that you are excellent at it, as if thats the case I have an inverse Laplace transform integral that Id love to see you do since you are obviously a genius at all forms of math.
If someone isn't able to do simple, simple mathematics, such as making change, then it's a company that I'd never work at. I'd honestly feel insulted working for a company, in any position, that didn't trust it's entry-level employees to do basic math.
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