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Birthing orientation.
    #598622 - 04/04/02 02:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I'm having a little trouble understanding the orientation of the cake when you birth it, the teks i have been reading are not quite clear so i'd like to find out once and for all.

When you birth the cake, you flip it up-side down, and the lid becomes it's base. Does this mean that you should have the jar colonizing upside-down so when you birth it the top (the bottom) is still the top?

So confoozed. please help.

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Re: Birthing orientation. [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #598677 - 04/04/02 03:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

When you birth the cake it doesn't matter. Pick a side and case the top with some damp vermiculite. The bottom should have a layer of damp vermiculite also. After fruiting several times or just once you will periodically flip the cake and fruit from the other side. I typically used to keep my cakes for a couple of months keeping them well hydrated and flipping them after several flushes. Hope this helps. L8r.

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Re: Birthing orientation. [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #598752 - 04/04/02 04:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've read alot on this subject also, and even posted here asking about it.  If you look at alot of photographs on the 'net of shrooms, you'll see alot of them show a cake with mushrooms growing out from the bottom edge, while the cake itself has nothing but mycelia.  These are pics of cakes that have been incubated with the lid UP, and flipped upside down into the fruiting chamber.  The problem is that mycelia, like almost any living organism, responds to gravity.  How else would it know to grow mushrooms upward?  So, when they're flipped upside-down, the mycelia is "standing on its head", and the mushrooms all grow out from what used to be the top.

I haven't read a Tek yet that says to do this, but I plan on incubating with the jars lid-side down, and birthing lid-side down.  There are several advantages to this method.  First, many people will say that if mycelia colonization slows down, you should remove the tape (assuming your lid has holes) and flip the jar upsidedown to allow the CO2 to drain out (it's heavier than air).  Also, many people say that the bottom of the jar colonizes the slowest, presumably because your substrate gets packed down by the force of gravity.  They say to flip the jar upsidedown to relieve this problem and allow the bottom of the jar to colonize faster.  So....if you need jars upsidedown to drain CO2, and to prevent cake compression, and to prevent water pooling, why not incubate them upsidedown to begin with?  That way you not only eliminate those problems, but the mycelia recognize the bottom of the jar as "up", and when you birth the cakes (upsidedown) the entire cake will fruit, instead of just fruiting from the bottom edges.

Check out this pic of a fruiting cake, compared to the second one where the shrooms are all coming from the "bottom":

Something to think about. :wink: 

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Re: Birthing orientation. [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #599011 - 04/04/02 09:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Damnit I let mine colonize right side up. I guess I'm gonna turn em over after I birth them so the top is the same as it was when colonizing. Why is it that almost every picture of cakes has this the other way? And with shrooms growing out the bottom edges. I know I read it in a tek somwhere that when you birth your cakes your supposed to have the top the same as the top when colonizing.

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Re: Birthing orientation. [Re: jonny420]
    #599025 - 04/04/02 10:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

lol, don't think it matters, they grow towards the light, so if the light is on the side, your shrooms are going that way

Just like Herb plants bending twords the sun

correct me if I'm wrong...

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