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The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world
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The first problem of the returning hero is to accept as real, after and experience of the soul-satisfying vision of fulfillmet, the passing joys and sorrows, banalities, and noisy obscenities of life. Why reenter such a world?... The returning hero, to complete his adventure, must survive the impact of the world. --Joseph Campbell, "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

For those of you who either through meditation, contemplation, psychedelics or in any other form regularly enter the transcendental realms, how do you deal with your re-entry period into this world? Do you ever find - as many spiritual traditions warn - the transcendental realms to be so seductive that you wish to abandon this world in their favor?

Also, do you ever experience that the two realms have started to merge into one? That the ordinary world isn't that 'ordinary' anymore, but that it now assumes certain transcendental characteristics. How do you deal with that?


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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the second more than the first for sure.
a difficult part might be wondering if it is time again (yet) to set up the next velada. it is so seductive.
I get good at scheduling but better at being interrupted.

real problems for would be hero's include preparing to receive praise and get medals or milions of dollars; how should I wear that?
must I thank the crowd, or just nod at the expected event? should I choose from the cutest to be my new bestest friends?

better not to be recognized - batman had the right approach.


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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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redtailedhawk said:
The first problem of the returning hero is to accept as real, after and experience of the soul-satisfying vision of fulfillmet, the passing joys and sorrows, banalities, and noisy obscenities of life. Why reenter such a world?... The returning hero, to complete his adventure, must survive the impact of the world. --Joseph Campbell, "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

Gomp says:
"Accepting as real, IS/as realizing.."
-Unknown :P

For those of you who either through meditation, contemplation, psychedelics or in any other form regularly enter the transcendental realms, how do you deal with your re-entry period into this world? Do you ever find - as many spiritual traditions warn - the transcendental realms to be so seductive that you wish to abandon this world in their favor?

I deal with, by dealing with it!
Yes, I do.

Also, do you ever experience that the two realms have started to merge into one? That the ordinary world isn't that 'ordinary' anymore, but that it now assumes certain transcendental characteristics. How do you deal with that?

Only two realms?  :confused: :thumbup:
I'd say, indeed, the 'realms' merge/merged/merges.. All of them!

I felt like that when it all first began, but "I" 'found' that what is ordinary, is what is ordinary, no matter what! Simple yet, reflective.. :smile:



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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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I no longer see a duel state. The everyday world is the spirit world. The trick is awareness and how you direct it. To be present is the challenge in all realms. If we are present enough then there is only one thing (now) and that contains everything.

The warriors way is to take everything as a challenge. Then the return is the same as the going. :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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Spiritual purity is easy when you are alone. The presence of others will truly tell you what your real bullshit is. Abandoning the everyday world for the "transcendental realms" is also called "avoiding reality".


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:thumbup: :thumbup:


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"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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A great book on this topic:

After the Ecstasy, the Laundry by Jack Kornfield.

:thumbup:

IMO, it is important to recognize that there is no "this world" and "that world."  We explore our potential through altered states, and we can choose to actualize this potential in our daily lives. 

To idealize these states, and their apparent lack of mundanity, is to miss the point of our inner journeying--awakening ourselves!

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: Veritas]
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I'm sure alot us go through a phase of denying reality (as we once knew it), at least I did when I first began my awakened spiritual journey through the use of entheogens. These transcendal psychedelic experiences are so rich of emotion, visions, clarity, thoughts etc that I'd call it reality more so than what we are experiencing in a typical day to day life. Yet its all the same trip, life's one big trip really! Its weird, I take acid now and there really ain't much of a transition between the two states, maybe I'm not taking enough?


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"That's the story moving from the NO to the YES. All of life is like, no thankyou, no thankyou, no thankyou. Then ultimatey it's YES i give in, YES I accept, YES I embrace."

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: Amethyst]
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To thread,
Jumping from one to another different human 'reality' as proposed from our environment, like changing the 'place' of work or changing the 'position' in ones work, or changing the place of living, for example, all changes of 'one's reality', can be so tripping out and making aware of some reality 'behind', that a chemical induced trip might seem harmless in comparison :wink:
In these cases I would agree, life is 'more' than a trip ! :laugh:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I want to develop this a bit further and hopefully not stray away. I will use some assumptions from my favorite transpersonal psychologist Stanislav Grof to help me out, so please stay with me for a while.

Grof argues that we people are on one level complex biological machines made of cells, tissues, and organs and yet on another level also infinite fields of consciousness, transcending time, space and linear causality.

These two complementary aspects of human nature are supposedly connected with two different modes of consciousness; hylotropic or matter-oriented mode and holotrophic or transpersonal oriented mode.

In the psyche, these two modes seem to be in a dynamic interplay. An average individual has a sufficiently developed system of psychological defenses to protect him or her from holotrophic intrusions. When the defensive system has been weakened or the holotrophic gestalt is particularly strong the two modes compete for the experiental field and distortion of consensual Newtonian image of reality or psychopathology is the final result.

To live fully up to one's potential, it is supposedly essential to acknowledge both aspects of one's being, cultivate them, and become familiar and comfortable with both of them, yet keep them neatly apart.

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Now... the problem I have is that I have trouble keeping these two modes neatly apart. Because each time I dive into the transpersonal domain (switch to holotrophic mode of consciousness) and then return to this one, I found out that it's not the same anymore. Depending on the nature of the transpersonal experience I've just had, this Newtonian world assumes part of its characteristics. The worlds or modes start to merge. Now this is all nice and all when watching the sunset and crying my eyes out, but it gets a bit more uncomfortable when dealing with more down-to-earth things, like driving a car for instance.

Can anyone relate to this? Icelander bro, you say the trick is in the direction of awareness. Can you elaborate more on this?


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: Veritas]
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Great book suggestion Veritas!  Thanks!  :heart:  :thumbup:


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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I guess I can't be a hero.
I'm not coming back.


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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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relying on pitch and measure for the conceptualization of each thought, time traversing the slope, transcendance only happens when two thoughts arive mutually


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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This is much to complex for me at the moment to 'focus' on. I would bring reason from every corner of the human mind :smile:
[biological structure of mind and its 'realization'. 'splittingness' in all of principles of separation and specialization of the development of the mind and its present status, projecting vs. receiving,...]
I am just much to fractalized about your insightful question now, so I hope to contribute a bit later :laugh:
And thank you for that very insightful 'thought-starter' :grin: !


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: redtailedhawk]
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First one must develope awareness. Only the little bit of awareness I have is useful. Otherwise I spend most of my time on automatic pilot,sleep walking through my life. Putting ones awareness (once developed) to good use creates momentum for change. For instance using Death as an advisor rather than self-importance or self-pity. Only with awareness can you know whether you are using one or the other.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The first problem of the returning hero: re-entry into this world [Re: Icelander]
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Awareness! :thumbup:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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