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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #919524 - 09/30/02 03:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i enjoyed this thread and the discussions within, much.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Sclorch]
    #919531 - 09/30/02 03:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Anyways if we are talking total soul age as opposed to current physical incarnation age which is about 70 million or so.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #919845 - 09/30/02 06:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i love you guys... all of you!


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: infidelGOD]
    #920057 - 09/30/02 07:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Nice post Shroomism.
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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: MAIA]
    #920224 - 09/30/02 08:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well said, well done.

I haven't forgotten your pajamas I've just been very busy.

Nice to see you posting. :smile:

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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #921638 - 10/01/02 05:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I thought this post was wise enough that I am making it a sticky for a day or two.

Cheers,


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #921856 - 10/01/02 09:03 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

shroomism you should write a book. all your posts are insightful and make deep strong points. im yet to find a post by you that sucks. kudos bra =)


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #922003 - 10/01/02 10:28 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Nah don't write a book, theres something weird about that. Keep writing to the people who won't judge the hell out of ya. I've enjoyed your writings for some time now.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #922080 - 10/01/02 11:06 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Amazingly true. I also could not put it better. Thankfully I have discovered these enlightenments on my own, but they will always be practiced, to make my life more enjoyable. I will always get better at them, if I keep it the right mind set, and life just gets better and better. See the good in the world, as well as the bad.
Mushrooms really help me find peace, and understanding of nature, and life in general. I also think being clear heading has a great effect on these things as well.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: ]
    #922082 - 10/01/02 11:07 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Man... I'm gettin' slapped around in here.

I figured you kids would have seen through my curtness by now. I guess not.
Let me make one thing clear: I KNOW what Shroomism is saying... he is speaking of the virtues of the "beginner's mind". I know this.

The problem is that he's calling it "innocence". This is not the right word for it. Although there can be a "beginner's mind" connotation to the word "innocence"... it only leads to an unhelpful ambiguity. Innocence is useless to an adult as it is paired with ignorance. The beginner's mindset is useful to ALL.

Now quit calling me cynical and stop trying to back it up with crap like this:
It seems from your posts that life has dealt you a bad hand.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Glacius]
    #922094 - 10/01/02 11:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I would have to agree with shroomism on the subject. Inoccence can be found, as long as you keep learning. We will never cease to be inoccent. We just have to keep our minds full of new things, and see it from a wider perspective.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: rasta]
    #922134 - 10/01/02 11:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking about writing a book but then I was like... nahh fuck that I'll just write everything anyways and give it away for free.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #922221 - 10/01/02 12:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomism there one thing you forgot to also mention.

Use Visionary tools that earth has gave us, there called Psychedelics!!!!!

Psychedelics are the BIGGEST help in my life that has returned my innocences!!

ps... Hey shroomism you ever heard of the song " the return of innocence " It has a bad ass indian singing in it! I think it was made my enya.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: johnnyfive]
    #922227 - 10/01/02 12:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yah... never underestimate the power of insight potential held by mushrooms and meditation.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #922794 - 10/01/02 03:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In this world we can often gain a negative perception of reality. We see cutthroat behaviour from all sides and see it as our only means for survival.. .we see death, hatred, negativity, lack of compassion from many people..

and you can get all that and then some in a tight 1 hour News program. Ahhhhh, gotta love television....



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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #923164 - 10/01/02 05:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

This kind of goes with "don't hold grudges", but I think learning to be non-judgemental is a big part in letting our inner child bloom.

Young children don't seperate or judge each other by race, class, or gender...


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Sclorch]
    #923248 - 10/01/02 06:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I KNOW what Shroomism is saying... he is speaking of the virtues of the "beginner's mind".

Yeah, this is exactly how I have been interpreting Shroomism?s ?innocence? thus far. From this perspective, a return to innocence does seem possible and beneficial.


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #923430 - 10/01/02 07:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

These are beautiful and oh-so-true.  I think everyone should try this.  It seems like a clear and peaceful path to happiness.  Hold love true in your heart.  Never give up on it. :smile: 


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #923688 - 10/01/02 08:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Here is model from a book by a Martin Seligman that's pretty relevant to the post. Seligman teaches a form of learned optimism, i guess you could say, using this approach. Its aimed, of course, mainly at people with a pessimistic explanatory style of the world...

A(adversity). Recognize when adversity hits. For die-hard pessimists, successes are a form of adversity; they say, "It wont last," "I was just lucky," or "Too little, too late."

B(beliefs). Be aware of what you believe about the adversity.

C(consequences). Be aware of the emotional and other consequences of your belief about that adversity.

D(disputation). Question whether your beliefs are the only explanation. For example, ask:
  • What is the evidence for my beliefs?
  • What are other possible explanations for what happend?
  • What are the implications of my believing this way, and do they make it worth holding on to my beliefs?
  • How useful are my beliefs? Do I or others get any benefits from holding on to them, or would we be benefit more if we held other beliefs?


Now, these dont work too well if you ruminate constantly(like me..heh). You would need to learn more than just a more optimistic explanatory style. You would need to learn how to jerk away from the hold pessimistic thoughts have on you!


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Re: Return to Innocence [Re: Shroomism]
    #924085 - 10/02/02 04:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Cool post! I have been thinking about this also. We must be pure! :smile: Nothing must stop us! Nothing must touch us! SHROOM ON!!!!


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