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Whats the point to philosphy?
    #5772714 - 06/20/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

To do philosophy for the sake of doing is pointless in my opinion, its like saying your doing math or calculus, algebra, differential equations work for the sake of doing,

to do it to convey ideas seems obscure to me, its like saying your practicing math, physics or chemistry to convey ideas, although the practice of these can lead to knew ideas, the main goal of it is using your skills to solve problems or come up with solutions for a particular situation,

to polish your skills and be good at solving equations in itself is pointless unless you can apply what you learned to real world application, you learn calculus so you can measure a length of a curve which then you can use on curvature structure, then you can apply that measurement along with physics to uncover force vectors within the structure in which you can improve your design,

mathematics is a conceptual tool, and philosophy is no different, its not a means to live your life by, its like saying you live by the principles of math, for if you polish your skills and come up with good arguments, there will always be a better argument, or a better meaning to replace it, and a argument to replace that argument and so on, until your original argument is obsolete or conveys little meaning,

Not to undermine skills or abilities, because like math you have to get a firm grasp of its application before you can apply it to a real world problem, I just think that you have to eventually ask yourself the question of why your practicing this tool and make it clear to others exactly how your using this tool when conveying arguments to other people, having developed skills alone without the basic understanding of what your doing and what cause your trying to apply this to is useless, to do it to just do it is futile which leads to a warped mind and delusion purpose, if this is the case you might as well give it up and practice something else,

philosophy like math is infinite, meaning it has no point of reference unless you make one for yourself, if you can narrow down the tool to a particular goal then it becomes useful, this is what Buddha did,

he didn't use philosophy in general and made it into a religion, he narrowed the application of it down to a particular question, one that was useful to human kind, that question is, how do I end suffering? his whole philosophy and teachings is based on this one simple question, then once it was narrowed down to a particular cause then he applied philosophy to that cause, he then created the 4 nobles and the 8 fold path, and came up with practices to conquer this simple question such as meditation, all Buddhism is; is a philosophy nothing more, the only reason its considered a religion is that some Hindu mysticism was integrated within the philosophy to make it appear more than what it was,

but Buddha used philosophy for a particular goal because he knew that practicing it in general was pointless, for you can go on and on for 800 life times and not scratch the surface of it,

I think those that are complete skeptics that in doing so your undermining your own reasoning, faith is not a concept that doesn't make sense, just because you can't see it or don't have the capacity to reason it out doesn't mean it doesn't exist, for there things out there that it would take a capacity of reasoning and understanding which is beyond human grasp for many lifetimes, for human perceptive abilities don't have any bounds other than the fact that we're temporary, so what faith does is circumvent all the necessary reasoning, and then your left free to make theoretical assumptions, although they can not be proved, it does make sense to entertain the idea for our lacking the capacity,

anyways these are just my ideas and my opinions,


Edited by capliberty (06/20/06 02:48 PM)


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5772818 - 06/20/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The point of philosophy is for consciousness to understand itself


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #5772874 - 06/20/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The point of philosophy is for consciousness to understand itself





interesting way of putting it, maybe also its goal is for consciousness to be aware of itself


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5774182 - 06/20/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why would we want to know who we are or what we are for?

Why would we want to acheive the satisfaction of doing something that is difficult?

Why do you want to go through life not being good at anything?

Be excellent. Be Human. Think.

There are enough dults to fill the world. Why knowingly choose that path?


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5774426 - 06/20/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Philosophy bakes no bread.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5795800 - 06/27/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What is the point you you asking this question?


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5795919 - 06/27/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"mathematics is a conceptual tool, and philosophy is no different, its not a means to live your life by"

That's plainly not true. Philosophy may not bake any bread, but it'll keep the breadbaker from jumping off a cliff when his dog dies. It establishes perspective and can help a person find meaning outside of formal religious constructs. It exercises the mind and strengthens the spirit. You may not be able to live a happy and balanced life if you're only 'doing' philosophy, but the same is true of anything.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5803422 - 06/29/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the point of philosophy is to attain understanding through which one can attain satisfaction.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: BleaK]
    #5804306 - 06/29/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There are enough dilutes to fill the world. Why knowingly choose that path?

because you'll see there's more facets to your personality than purely

being philosophical, like creating a humorous side, a more

extroverted side, a more goal oriented side, philosophy is more

introverted IMO, even using word "extrovert" is introverted. :lol:,


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5804417 - 06/29/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whats the point to philosphy?

For the fun of it...


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: Diploid]
    #5805483 - 06/30/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Do you guys not see that this in itself is a philosophical question?


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5805986 - 06/30/06 04:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the point of philosophy is to love wisdom.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5806237 - 06/30/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Whats the point to philosphy?

For the fun of it...




This is about best reason I heard so far, why engage in something unless its fun to do it, but still theres a time for fun and games with your mind and theres a time to take care of business, the latter usually requires less contemplation, not more,


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5806428 - 06/30/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is to lose suffering.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: michael_lifshitz]
    #5807562 - 06/30/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think it is to lose suffering.




Or to gain it all (suffering), and come to terms with it perhaps?


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: capliberty]
    #5807572 - 06/30/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Whats the point to philosphy?

For the fun of it...




This is about best reason I heard so far, why engage in something unless its fun to do it, but still theres a time for fun and games with your mind and theres a time to take care of business, the latter usually requires less contemplation, not more,




Why engage in something unless it's fun? How would you accomplish anything in life if that was your core philosophy? Okay, don't let your wife have kids, that wouldn't be fun for her. Don't have a job, that's not fun. Don't get old, cuz you know, old age is kind of a downer...

You catch my drift.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: Syle]
    #5807598 - 06/30/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

old age, kids, jobs

and your point is,


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: Syle]
    #5807620 - 06/30/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Syle said:
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michael_lifshitz said:
I think it is to lose suffering.




Or to gain it all (suffering), and come to terms with it perhaps?




I would argue that if one truly came to terms with suffering they would no longer be suffering.


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: michael_lifshitz]
    #5807638 - 06/30/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

philosophy can have many different points, or it can have no point at all, it can end suffering, it can make suffering fun, it can give you suffering,

I just say make a point, and build your philosophy around,


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Re: Whats the point to philosphy? [Re: michael_lifshitz]
    #5807667 - 06/30/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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michael_lifshitz said:
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Syle said:
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michael_lifshitz said:
I think it is to lose suffering.




Or to gain it all (suffering), and come to terms with it perhaps?




I would argue that if one truly came to terms with suffering they would no longer be suffering.




I was actually agreeing with you  :thumbup:

I was just helping along what you said, because I figured what I said was what you were trying to say. Sorry to confuse.


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