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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Ginseng1]
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and also end up with a bunch of freak outs, accidents, people getting into terror loops - its a nice fantasy, but a naive one.

Dosing anyone, with anything unknowingly is a horrible thing to do - cognitive liberty applies to our own minds, not to those around us. By doing someone unknowingly - you are taking that away from them.

I like drugs, I love LSD - but if someone dosed me when I didn’t know/didn’t want to - I'd be pissed off. I trip for my own reasons, not someone else's kicks.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: kaniz]
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kaniz said:
and also end up with a bunch of freak outs, accidents, people getting into terror loops - its a nice fantasy, but a naive one.

Dosing anyone, with anything unknowingly is a horrible thing to do - cognitive liberty applies to our own minds, not to those around us. By doing someone unknowingly - you are taking that away from them.

I like drugs, I love LSD - but if someone dosed me when I didn’t know/didn’t want to - I'd be pissed off. I trip for my own reasons, not someone else's kicks.



Many would be hurt by this action. Some would be helped. Many would learn to help each other. This is not about the individual, this is about the society, and causing a change based on something other than money. A change which will eventually have to occur in order for our species to survive. This is not a solution, it is a spark.


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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.

Edited by ExplosiveMango (06/19/06 11:48 AM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: kaniz]
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I am just one example:

I dont trip anymore and if someone dosed me without me knowing they would be changing the composition of my mind further than I have already done to myself. I would also be tripping for about 24 hours on any small to medium dose of lsd, and would have to work with the after effects for more than a year. ( I seriously have tripped that many times and am that sensative)

That person who dosed me would be closer to getting their ass kicked by me than anyone ever before.
I could seriously retaliate and not just simply "learn from it and roll with the punches".

Id probably tie them up after knocking them out, dose the hell out of them, apply water torture and verbally abuse them untill they cry many times by persuading them that they are at the low end of the "stupid chain".
Seems fitting to me...............
I know that sounds extreme, but for a person like me, though I would not do that to somebody, The effects of that dose of lsd would, for me, change the outcome of one year of my life and then some.

I value hallucinogens, and have learned so much from them. I just couldnt fathom some idiot who obviously knows nothing about hallucinogens doing such a thing to me. Insisting that I learn from or adapt to another experience.

And if you cant see the problem with dosing "the whole world", your definately not that bright and have way too much faith in these drugs ability to change anyone everyone.

There are so many problems with the idea of dosing any sized community without them knowing.

Edited by stemmer (06/17/06 07:03 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Telepylus]
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Well I know someone who was dosed on shrooms with out knowing. Some assholes he was living with came back from taco bell and put ground up shrooms in a burrito and gave it to him. He was really drunk at the time and devoured the burrito, then they smoked a bowl and he passed out. Only to wake up in a severely confused state about 30-45 min later. When he went to tell the people who dosed him what was happening, they denied anything and told him the weed must been really good. Well as the night goes on these assholes keep messing with him while hes trying to sleep and forced him to have the worst experience possible! for days after he was convinced he was crazy and in need of help. It wasn't until one of them finally fessed up that he finally came to peace with the whole event. Needless to say none of them are friends any more!


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Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: d4a2n0k]
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Thats one very fucked up story.

Im not a big fan of mind control and certainly not when some idiot wants to dose the whole world or some similare shit saying things like "dude just think about it, it could work".

  Thats like using weaponized hallucinogens to terrorize people and change the way they think which so very often would not work, would fuck up many people for life.  Lets say we gave Hitler or some murdering gangemember some acid and see if they can get ahold of their destructive ways and turn them into good.  My guess is most people like that would only get a bit more fucked in the head.

Dont try to fuck with what Kaniz said ExplosiveM.
"I think your fantasy- finding safety while living in a world of unimaginable global social tension- is the naive one"...  L O fucking L


Hallucinogens will surely do the trick then.
:rolleyes:

Edited by stemmer (06/17/06 07:08 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: stemmer]
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MOD EDIT: any further flaming posts in this thread will be replaced by cheese.

Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (06/18/06 09:06 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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MOD EDIT: any further flaming posts in this thread will be replaced by cheese.

Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (06/18/06 09:07 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: stemmer]
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Ah finally. Im sick of this ongoing stupid subject. Cheese is much better.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Moo456]
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Yep, its a pretty stupid subject.

Nice edit. I would have rather had him see what I had to say. But you make a good point with the stinky cheese and all. I hope its sharp cheedar.

Its all good. Just dont dose babies, the public, or any one person.

It just happens to say alot about you when you do such a thing.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: stemmer]
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Any person who mistook my idea about causing a massive scale psychedelic disruption as a plan or intention for a real event needs to think about the context for a little longer.

It is not realistically possible to manufacture tons of LSD. It is not realistically possible to acquire a fleet of planes undetected. This is obvious to any person who has a good grasp of reality.



Obviously my argument was ENTIRELY philosophical.



The fact that any person would be so petty as to insult, or personally attack me because of what drug related philosophy I wanted to discuss - on a site intended for this type of discussion no less - is pathetic to say the least.

I wish people would have more respect on this site than to resort to gradeschoool social behaviour when a topic comes up that they don't like.


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Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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I thought we were all adults here too, but it seems as if people's brains aren't developed fully to partake in a discussion. I guess just swearing and calling people names gets the point across nowadays? Sure, one post getting your point across is alright, but going ON and ON about the same exact thing is redundant. Frankly, I dunno how you people carry on conversations in reality, but when it comes to the internet people turn into assholes for no apparent reason.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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Actually a small warhead with 5lbs of weaponized LSD will suffice for a small city, that's say a device the size of two buckets stacked on top of eachother. This warhead will fall from the air inaudibly and in its fall scatter into lets say 75 submunitions the size of an orange, which will fall to the ground and softly hiss as they each release a fine mist containing 1 ounce of LSD (1/3 million blotters) dissolved into a solvent with a low odor profile, the cloud dissolving into thin air a yard or so from each submunition. The gentle breeze will carry this colorless, odorless mist through the streets and into the houses.

Most people will be driven beyond 500mcg deeply into the thumbprint range. You can't do that to people, and many people may come away with the life lesson: "don't let your guard down because you're not safe no matter where you go", which is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

And to think of the re-intoxications when someone a few days later touches something with LSD sticking to it, and the panic when people see someone tripping out again.

Gassing is for cockroaches.
I seriously think it's more ethical to subject a population to a hard nervegas strike than to insidiously gas them with LSD. I think most people here underestimate the nightmarish scenario of a gas attack with LSD.

Just imagine an old folks home where old frail people in their eighties and nineties are passing the time. Old frail people with heart conditions and arthritis shrieking at the top of their lungs with laughter and utter horror for hours on end. They'll have to cart half off to the mental ward and the other half to the morgue.

LSD should be legally available to adults who want it and seek it out, just like weed and mushrooms are in Holland, you can't force it on people.

Nontheless it makes for interesting discussion, so let's discuss uninformed dosing!


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Edited by Asante (06/19/06 06:08 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: mellowrubberduck]
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mellowrubberduck said:
I thought we were all adults here too, but it seems as if people's brains aren't developed fully to partake in a discussion. I guess just swearing and calling people names gets the point across nowadays? Sure, one post getting your point across is alright, but going ON and ON about the same exact thing is redundant. Frankly, I dunno how you people carry on conversations in reality, but when it comes to the internet people turn into assholes for no apparent reason.


:thumbup: :heart:


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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Telepylus]
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I think it would be fantastic if somehow, someone could "poison" the water supply with LSD... though I would never intentionally slip an individual a dose... why waste it!?

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Ashland]
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I heard somewhere that if a police officer is dosed with acid (through whatever means) they are required to restrain themselves, with handcuffs and shit, so that nobody would get injured or something as result of their actions. - what a bad fucking trip that could become...

Is this acutally practiced in law enforcement, or is it more one of those old antique laws that dont make a ton of logic...?


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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: Mickalopagus]
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I understand the whole stew of philosophical ideas surrounding the thought of dosing the masses.

I just think the whole Idea is kinda silly. The whole, "just imagine how it could change the world" thing doesnt sit well with me.
You have to want to change and learn to allow psychedelics to do their best work. It also helps to know a bit about psychedelics.

Your every day joe doesnt know what to do with such a temporary but intense change in the way his or her brain works. Nor does a person using these drugs for the first time know what to do with it.
The world is not really ready for a worldwide group hallucination.

Its an interesting but silly idea. I see why some people want to discuss it though. Psychedelics can change the way you look at the world. There are a few figure heads I wouldnt mind seeing dosed into oblivion, just to see if some things changed because of it.
Not that I agree with dosing anyone without their knowing.

Edited by stemmer (06/19/06 08:00 PM)

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: stemmer]
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stemmer said:
I just think the whole Idea is kinda silly. The whole, "just imagine how it could change the world" thing doesnt sit well with me.


The world is not really ready for a worldwide group hallucination.


The second woodstock pretty much figured that out. I'll blame it on that mindset too that "All You Need is Love", which I'm not saying you Don't, but things can get icky, even when everyone KNEW they were taking drugs.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: mellowrubberduck]
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i find dosing the whole world would be just as bad...actually no, worse, than keeping the drugs illegal. at least now the governments stopping us from experiencing something, and stopping an experience is better than forcing an experience imo


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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: SapphireCat]
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I find one of the most frightening things about the populace I live amongst to be their apparent lack of depth. The fact that so many people around me can go through life believing that the only things are money and power- and succeed while doing this- suggests to me that we are in danger of losing our values completely.

The populace I live amongst is so detached from any deeper meaning that they are afraid. Often when an individual tries to explore a realm of any depth, especially an unfamiliar one (psychedelics, foreign worship) they are feared, and often attacked.

The problem with a stalemate between an ignorant intolerant who wishes for war, and a learned individual who wishes for acceptance is that the aggressor is most likely to win. Often by killing the unfamiliar. I don't want to die for my beliefs, nor do I want future generations to be denied the right to free use of chemicals in their own body.


I must admit it would lower the level of the peaceful individual to instigate any attack. (whether the bombs are psychedelic or just explosive)


But what is the solution when the warlike have already declared war on the peaceful? Isn't an attack of forced understanding better than an attack of forced destruction?

At least if our enemies still hate us for what we do, it will not be simply out of prejudice.


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Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.

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Re: have you ever slipped someone acid? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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I think the only psychedelic use that can, in some instances, be aggressively put to someone would be that of MDMA.

With MDMA you are fully in control and free to retain your boundaries, but are strongly encouraged to drop your ego defenses.
19/20 people come away touched by the Divine if the session is ran right.

Even so you can't slip someone even MDMA without their knowledge or consent, but with MDMA you can afford a little "evangelizing" because the vast majority of people would want to have had this experience, even if just once in their lifetime.
The problem is that people are so closed-minded that they have to take it before they know they want it.

You can't break this stalemate by convert dosing, but being decently pushy can be justified in some cases.


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