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Salvia induced permanent effects?
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I smoked some 6X Salvia 3 days ago along with drinking some beer to relax me to the state of smoking. I took a very large hit and was completely gone for about 30 minutes. I had a sitter and she said I was mumbling the whole time some gibberish. After waking up 2 days ago (the next day after smoking) I noticed bothersome visual disturbances and shrugged it off. But as the day went on and until right now I'm experiencing a depersonalization/derealization and almost fright to go into dark places. My head feels like its being crushed by my skull constantly and I really have to struggle to even talk. When I do talk, I sound raspy and distant to people and have had to repeat myself several times because of mumbling.

My first day back at work yesterday a few people came up to me and told me I looked and acted like I was in a different world. I've been struggling with this and have also had constant panic and keep seeing things move in my peripheral vision ontop of the constant visual distortions. The visual distortions can also be pretty intense when trying to go to sleep and I turn the light on immediately when I go into dark rooms.

The visuals have a universal design that makes me look away. They almost feel as they have a presence. I enjoyed the design like experiences when under salvia's influence but don't want them for the rest of my life or even months. It's quite disturbing. I won't touch it again, I couldn't imagine it being worse.

I'd really appreciate any input or help anyone can give me. I hope I didn't do anything permanent.

Azen

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
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you didn't say your mindset going into the experience? why did you smoke salvia? what do you remember from the experience? details man. this stuff is important. its not just a toy.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: EquilibriuM]
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Well I guess my mindset wasn't that great. I'm stressing over a impending separation from my wife but that wasn't why I did Salvia. I don't remember much from the experience (probably alcohol) but I do remember being frightened by an evil presence and also elated from a good presence. I felt many "live" plants growing at a quick speed and wrapping around my body.

Also, I've been only able to eat one small meal a day (maybe 200 calories a day) after the experience and have horrible insomnia. Two hours a day the first day and only 3 hours yesterday.

Azen

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
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That's not too much sleep. And not enough food. Restore your body's reserves and try not to focus on the visuals as hard as that may sound. You have benzos or anything? I don't know, sounds like you're in need of a nice long recouperation session... Sorry if this post isn't much help, but take care because I care.

Keep us updated!

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: today mylove]
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If you can get a couple nights good sleep, and eat some healthy food, and enough of it, I think you will be feeling back to normal. Sleep deprevation produces similar effects to those you are describing. I have no experience with Salvia tho, but I will be trying it soon.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
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Azen said:
Well I guess my mindset wasn't that great. I'm stressing over a impending separation from my wife but that wasn't why I did Salvia. I don't remember much from the experience (probably alcohol) but I do remember being frightened by an evil presence and also elated from a good presence. I felt many "live" plants growing at a quick speed and wrapping around my body.

Also, I've been only able to eat one small meal a day (maybe 200 calories a day) after the experience and have horrible insomnia. Two hours a day the first day and only 3 hours yesterday.

Azen


While the salvia experience sounds intense, I think that the sustained effects you are noticing are manifesting more out of your stresses (marriage situation, sleep situation, food situation) than the drug experience. Get some rest, try some relaxation techniques (seriously, search the net for some and give them a shot, they are really good for reducing stress and anxiety) and make sure to eat a good, healthy diet.

If you don't notice any improvement in the next coming days, consider talking to a therapist about your life situation... I've found that individual therapy can literally turn a life around- just from a few hours of talking with an understanding, caring person.

Also, remember that there are people who care about you and want to see you happy (and get better!). Talk to these people.

If you want to talk privately, send a PM. I'll be happy to converse 1 on 1 as well.

Hope you feel better!

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Hank, FTW]
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What's your drug history? What kind of psychedelics do you take, and how often?

Edited by TheMadConductor (06/12/06 01:51 PM)

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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Its you doing this to yourself.

Chill the fuck out. Whack on your favourite music. Open the windows to a  lovely summers evening smoke a few bowls and chill with your friends. The salvia has only intensified what you were already feeling, you just need a good chillout, and time to discuss general issues. Get some bud. Get some beer. Call your mates round and have a casual smoke & drink and chillout.

Guarenteed you'll feel 100% better or your money back. :grin:


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Cepheus]
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azen i get the same thing. i know its kind of scarey but if you ignore it, it should go mostly away within a week. redgreenvines mentioned something similar so there are a couple poeple that get like that.

for me what happens is time gets super fast and my visual field gets super clear and at the same time starts cycling which patterns i'm paying attention to at high speed (don't know how better to put it, feels like i'm seeing how my brain puts together all the mental concepts coming from my visual field), but i kind of lose my ability to think. then the depersonalization kicks in and de-realization kind of starts to fade in.

i would say if you want to get back to normal quicker do not use any substances, even weed and alchohol.

from whats happened to me it seems the only danger is of panicing. also for me not trying to focus on anything helps, just doing stuff while pretending i am normal works while focusing on my breath or body just makes it worse. i'm sure its a somewhat individual reaction. anyways, yeah just no that those effects appear to be semi-normal, and that it does go away.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: today mylove]
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todaymylove

I've been forcing myself to eat and drink the past hour so I'm coming out of that. The sleeping pills I took are doing nothing. Salvia slaps me again and says "wake up."

I went and did some searching as well and came upon this site http://hppdonline.com/index.php I read a couple of stories like mine with most people coming out of it within days or sometimes months. Sadly, I read a few that have had it for years. There's also dp and dr information.

I'm going to focus on eating healthy, exercising, going to the doctor tomorrow.

Oh yeah, I'm quitting everything including alcohol. This part is a no brainer, I never want to feel like this again. I'll still be an avid shroomery member though.

Azen

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: truekimbo2]
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hey i feel for you so i'm going to add some more. i don't know what kind of sleeping habits you have but if you get that disturbing phase where the disturbances are keeping you from sleeping make sure that you're REALLY tired before you go to bed. doing dumb shit like watching TV till your exahuasted works. although staring at computer screens and tv screens can sometimes increase the visual disturbances for me. and if you're having trouble talking and thats making you worried what works for me is taking it kind of slow, being sure of what you want to say and saying it overly loud and clear.

again it goes away, just i had never heard of such outlandish duration till it happened to me so it bugged me out too at first.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Mezcal]
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Yeah snyder, I think stress in my life caused it but it's definitely. It's like I'm a small trip constantly.

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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I did a lot of LSD back over 10 years ago. I never experienced anything like this from that. The only things I have done recently is drink, done a couple doses of shrooms spaced over about 6 months each, the last one being a few months ago. Nothing like this from mushrooms either.

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: truekimbo2]
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Thanks for the reply truekimbo (now I know I'm not alone) and thanks everyone for giving tips on how to cope. Truekimbo, did your experience have the same intensity over that time? I don't feel the intensity going away at all. Oh yeah, it's the worst right when I wake up. I dozed for about 5 mins a couple times and that seemed to be the worst, felt like I was just coming out of the trip.

Azen

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
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You'll be ok if you just relax, I thought I had the same problem after my last mushroom trip. It turned out to be just more of an anxiety deal. I got over it within a couple weeks of just chillin.

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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for me (i actually kept smoking salvia trying to figure out if the salvia was defintely causing this) it was strongest two days after, toned down on the third day and then would sporadically appear about once or twice a day for the next couple.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: truekimbo2]
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If you have access to fresh herbs make a tea using 2 large basil leaves 2 tbsp of fresh feverfew leaves and 4 med. peppermint leaves. also I have used this tea adding about a bit of coarsely broken reishi mushroom (fresh or dried is fine, fresh is better, hard to get if you don't grow though, at least where i live) to it to help aid in sleep and calm anxiety and your nervous system in a far more natural way than pills. It is completely safe and nontoxic. Also red clover could be added (might affect taste in bad way i have not tried it, there will be not negative chemical reactions I AM POSITIVE OF THAT) It's a natural method of cleansing your body of toxins.

I'm sorry if you unfortunately are not able to access these things but even dried form your local health food store would do some good If you want to make a whole pot or pitcher of this tea (for iced) multiply ingredients times 4. I'm not an expert on your brain and I certainly know little about you but I'd say you've got a lot of things affecting your stress level some are mental blocks caused by lack of sleep or food others more chemical like you just need to detox (not drug rehab just your body builds up negative chemicals over time). My tea will help aid in both.

Also a lot of places (health stores almost for sure) sell a detox tea (in teabags) to help cleanse your body. Anybody who takes any sort of prescribed medicine or unnatural chemical should detox at least every other week. Everyone else at least once every 3 months. There are definitely methods other than tea its just most efficient for myself.


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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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I'll try that detox method ticket, thanks. I actually got some sleep today (6 hrs maybe) and as soon as I woke up it was bad again. But over the next 15 mins or so the mindfuck losing it feeling started to fade and the visuals started to fade as well. I still feel it but not as nearly intense. Hopefully this will last. I've been force-feeding myself and drinking as much liquids as possible. I'm in a good mood and just finishing up some detox tea. My main test will be at work tonight. We have lots of things with patterns there. Those are the worst. I'll keep everyone posted.

Azen

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
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yes let me know if it helps. Just remember the most important ingredient in any remedy is belief. Even tylenol won't work unless you believe it will 80 % of pain, suffering, and uncomfortability is in the head. So if you believe something will work even if its completely random and has no active chemicals to help you, it will help make you feel better. Detox tea and my homemade tea that i described do however contain active ingredients for battling that other 20%.


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lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)

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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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All I gotta say is this does not make me wanna try salvia. Hope you feel better Azen.


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