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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: MasFina]
#5745659 - 06/13/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sure it's related to the salvia, but it is not because of the salvia. you'll be OK Azen; there are no permanent changes, except the gashes from where the teeth bit through.
separation is the big one in this picture. it is huge. you will be fine. everyone's advice is great. sleep (somehow) eat, and let things roll out how they must, now that the die have been cast. do all things in moderation.
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Azen
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10063865 - 03/29/09 01:34 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had a few people ask me about updating this thread, and I think now is a good time.
Whatever site, research study, or just random people saying that certain drugs are harmless, I'm here to disagree. Almost 3 years later and some symptoms have gone, but some are more pronounced.
My visual disturbances have gone away mostly, but I still see salvia patterns and especially when I get short naps (15-45 min). When I wake up, I get that odd feeling again for about an hour or so.
I was very shaky, writing horribly, and had a new not so good outlook on life after my last salvia trip. These things are permanent. My ability to write has diminished significantly, and continues to get worse. I can't make certain patterns when I write, like a circular pattern or change from circular to straight writing, and sometimes can't even write a straight line. For example, when I'm writing the letter B, when switching from the circular part of the letter to straight part, I have a terrible time doing it. My hand won't do what my brain is telling it to do, if that makes any sense.
The shakiness hasn't gone away, and has actually gotten worse. I work in a lab and need fine motor movements in my work, and I might have to quit my job because even holding one hand with the other when I do fine motor work is impossible sometimes.
I was depressed before this whole situation, but I have a new completely new depressed outlook on life. I've tried diet, exercise, all kinds of things but this hasn't changed. I feel like I just exist and am waiting to grow old and die. That's all I feel. I lost the ability to love. I'm completely indifferent to everything and everyone, even close family members. Even my 4 year old daughter, for fuck's sake.
This is not coincidence, it happened right after my last salvia trip and salvia is the cause. I've been to neurologists that tell me one after another that nothing is wrong. MRI shows nothing. *shrug*
Just a gentle reminder to those who wish to dive into the salvia universe!
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EthericOctopuss
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10065127 - 03/29/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting and updating your experience. Salvia is MOST DEFINITELY an entheogen to be used with caution and respect for. It may well be THE most powerful psychedelic, alongside DMT.
I hope you eventually feel better friend. Good vibes to you.
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MisterPlow
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Yes thank you for updating! Very imformative. May i suggest submitting this to erowid for a salvia trip report?
Also the inability to feel love/emotion sounds an awful lot like frontal lobe damage. Did you sustain whiplash or hit your head during your trip if you can remember? I know you said you had a sitter with you..nothing went terribly wrong in the "I have to get up and run around" department during the trip? Also have you sustained any head injuries before or car accidents?
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10065782 - 03/29/09 12:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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tremors are a class of events that are hard to attribute correctly to any one of a number of neurological biophysical and psychological agents.
you might want to try acupuncture if it persists. sometimes a diagnosis will not crystallize but a systemic holistic treatment can work.
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Nature Boy
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10065874 - 03/29/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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In Phikal, an episode just like this was written about by Ann Shulgin. She (a skilled and trained psychologist) ultimately characterized this as a "spiritual crisis" IIRC.
I had a similar episode, oddly enough, after a deep and "successful" session of meditation - not at all drug-related. In my case, the worst was over in 1 day, but had lingering effects for 3 - 4 days. You absolutely >>WILL<< get better.
It sounds to me like you have several personal issues to resolve. Why blame the salvia alone??? More likely than not it was all of them combined...resolve to resolve each one individually by priority (must eat healthy, fresh food and get some sleep!) and BINGO! you'll sense the improvement.
Good luck and much 
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Listening
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Nature Boy]
#10066316 - 03/29/09 01:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: I had a similar episode, oddly enough, after a deep and "successful" session of meditation - not at all drug-related. In my case, the worst was over in 1 day, but had lingering effects for 3 - 4 days. You absolutely >>WILL<< get better.
Did you read his post? This is now spanning 3 years. The ease with which some of you are willing to hand-wave away potential dangers of these drugs is mind boggling. Obviously we can't know for sure what caused this, but the connection with the Salvia points to a real possibility.
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FreedomForAll
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Listening]
#10066351 - 03/29/09 01:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seems like hppd, which is very real but also very rare. I feel for you man, maybe one day it will cease to continue...
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Nature Boy
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Listening]
#10067360 - 03/29/09 03:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Listening said: Did you read his post? This is now spanning 3 years. The ease with which some of you are willing to hand-wave away potential dangers of these drugs is mind boggling. Obviously we can't know for sure what caused this, but the connection with the Salvia points to a real possibility.
Eeks. I most certainly read the post, but completely missed the fact that the original was posted in 2006. I was definitely NOT "hand-wave away potential dangers of these drugs" because I thought his symptoms were of only 3 days duration. I responded in accordance with that understanding.
Frankly, I never anticipated someone would update a post 3 years after the fact. I was mislead by that; please don't be angry with me for earnestly trying to help.
No good deed goes unpunished, as they say.
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Nature Boy]
#10067488 - 03/29/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow this is somewhat frightening! I must say that there is definitely something unique about you, Azen, that must have caused these effects, as my friends and I have smoked salvia many times and its effects are simply a memory at this point. Regardless, your story is a powerful example that psychedelics mean business, and we should all, BOTH THE EXPERIENCED AND NOVICE, be careful and respectful. A FOAF who took XTC two times in a weekend a few weeks ago. He says he feels no emotion or desire to do anything. He's getting better, but i'm worried about him. He's been "empty" for about two weeks. I deff. don't want to try e after his situation. I hope you feel back to normal in the future, Azen! That must be awful... myk
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: MasFina]
#10067507 - 03/29/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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One time I did salvia & shrooms in the same day, and felt exactly like you did. I won't lie, it lasted a while. I AM better, though. It takes time & strength. Force yourself to exercise every day even though you're depressed, it seems to help influence healthy eating & sleeping. The faster you try to move on with your life, the faster it'll all be better.
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Azen
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10067802 - 03/29/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your ideas and support. I was completely fine before my salvia trip, then after I came out of it all these symptoms occurred. Again, the chances of it being a coincidence are slim to none. I don't think I hit my head. My sitter would have said something.
I'll keep trying to take care of myself and maybe I'll snap out of it. I used to be excited about things, loved doing outdoor stuff. All of that's gone. Maybe in the future I'll update this thread with some good news
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#10068120 - 03/29/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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To me it sounds like HPPD coupled with depression.
Face it, you just wrote off your whole life. You said you didn't care about your wife or your child. You don't like doing things that you once loved to do.
You are depressed man.
All I can say is be thankful you don't have something more serious like schizophrenia, living every day in intense paranoia/anxiety/confusion.
Be thankful you are alive, because lying 6 feet under ground is the ultimate wost case scenario.
The brain is a very powerful thing, it can convince itself it has a specific condition when it doesn't. There is a story of a man who got locked in a meat locker, yet the thing is that the temperature wasn't even that low, around 50 degrees or so. The man thought it was 32 or below and basically died shortly after, even though he should have been able to live for much longer.
Eat healthy, exercise, lay off pyschoactive substances, and do what you love, or what you used to love.
If that doesn't work, seek professional help.
Best of luck man, coming from someone who thinks they have what you have just to a lesser extent.
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Kupo
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Legalize]
#10068191 - 03/29/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I suggest another dose of salvia.
Take it for what you want. That's my suggestion.
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JPmagic
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: MasFina]
#10068552 - 03/29/09 06:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, I guess I've never heard of that happening off of Salvia, but when I did it, I did go to hell and back haha! Definitely an experience.
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: JPmagic]
#10069249 - 03/29/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lately I've been getting this weed that I get a salvia type taste from and I've never smoked salvia out of that particular pipe.
So that's the only lasting effect that I've had. If I'd never smoked salvia to know what it tastes like then it probably wouldn't faze me.
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JPmagic
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: truffleupagus]
#10069339 - 03/29/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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truffleupagus said: Lately I've been getting this weed that I get a salvia type taste from and I've never smoked salvia out of that particular pipe.
So that's the only lasting effect that I've had. If I'd never smoked salvia to know what it tastes like then it probably wouldn't faze me.
Maybe someone is pinching salvia in your bags instead of green? lol
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Re: Salvia induced permanent effects? [Re: Azen]
#12508685 - 05/05/10 12:49 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have had this same effect...but i did 100X salvia and im not sure if it was directly the salvia of if it was cuz i first tired pot like 3-4 weeks later and had a very bad panic attack...ether way im not myself now. i do get better days than others though...and i do notice trying to find stuff to distract me from it helps like friends, video games, movies etc. i was feeling ok for 3-4 days now and then i filmed with a video camera and im not sure what happened but it came back for a bit. anyway best of luck to you glad to hear in some ways im not the only one this happened to.
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