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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Xanthas]
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Faith turns into Certainty though.
And vice versa sometimes.
Faith can waiver.
And Certainty can turn to incertainty over time becoming another belief without justification.

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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: niteowl]
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great thread!

yes, black holes are a source of great power.

soon humanity will learn to harness this power for purposes of space travel, matter and energy generation, and a whole host of other cool crap.

personally, I can't wait. I just hope they are careful when they take the steps to get there, because generating a miniature black hole without being able to contain it properly would spell real bad news for the planet earth and most of the solar system. Kind of like absolute zero, this is not ground to be tread upon lightly or without care!

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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Telepylus]
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Telepylus said:

It is possible for a person to "travel" at the speed of light without any sort of space ship at all, just their body.
and when i say "travel" i don't mean moving from point A to point B, because at the core of reality there is no distance or direction at all.
also, there is no speed limit to light.


Can you expanciate on this? I understand it relative to what I can to do in lucid dream time, speed of thought exceeds speed of light. I can think of a location and snap, I am there. Travel was much slower when I first started lucid dreaming. Now it's at snap speed.  How ever, you said its possible with the physical body too. What more do you know that can shed some light?

I think its possible. I don't think it will be a matter of breaking the laws of physics, more a matter of discovering laws that override them, or ways to slip out of this space/time fabric and into another where the laws are different and then you pop back in. This would be even faster then using worm holes.


Just ramble away on it or send it to my PM if you feel inspired to share more. I'm really interested to hear more of what you know. Thanks!

I'm open to listening to any ideas no matter how crazy they sound.

Hey Seuss or Tren,

Have either of you done any reading into white hole theories related to the post topic. I wish I still had some neat links I had saved on my old hard drive.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Xanthas]
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Fospher said:
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Thirdly, quantum mechanics is affected by general relativity, we just don't know how yet. The scientific world is hard at work trying to figure just that out.


That may be, but how can you accept something as proof which hasn't even been proven yet? :crazy:


Proof of what?


Let me rephrase that. How can you say that QM is affected by GR without that being an actual fact? It's like using String Theory as an argument against something. Sure, it may be a general consensus, but in the end, that's all it is, a theory.

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Fospher said:
The redshift of an object can tell us the velocity, such as the direction of travel of a receeding galaxy. If galaxies move farther and farther from each other, something is definetly haywire in Newton's law of universal gravitation.


Newton said:
Lex I: Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.


"An object at rest or traveling in uniform motion will remain at rest or traveling in uniform motion unless acted upon by a net force."

Matter has inertia. Matter expands.
Matter has gravity. Matter collapses.
Inertia>gravity, matter expands.

What's haywire?


The constant acceleration of an object with no net force acting on it.


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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Fospher]
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I'll try to elaborate in a way that is simple to understand.
Think about the Big Bang of Creation, or if you prefer, think about a Black Hole, that is sucking in Light into its tremendous gravity.
Or you can think of simply shrinking down a marble in the palm of your hand until it gets so small that it is a point, then you press it one step further so that the object turns Inside-Out.
This action spawns the Primordial Trinity of Force which is responsible for consciousness, on all levels.
And consciousness is built of nothing more than alternating Phi Ratio patterns.

Now it must be understood that our human ideas of time are mostly illusionary, like a dream.
We are floating motionless in space drifting through eternities.
Like you're motionless in bed dreaming you're running & turning.
The way this works is, we are connected to everything, since the Point of the Big Bang of Creation, or the Point you passed through the singularity, or the point where the atoms of the molecules of the cells of your body cling together upon your frame of Alternating Phi Ratio patterns.
U/R still connected to the Beginning & Ending of Time.

What this means is you have the power to transcend the entire known universe by virtue of the physical geometries of your own body.
And all that is required to operate this vehical is to understand it's shapes.
And the only way to comprehend the understanding fully is through tuning your heart to love all living things unconditionally.
God made it that way.
Love is that most tenuous force which works as a sort of gravity, but not a gravity produced by matter, it's a gravity that is produced by integrating specialized patterns of consciousness into your everyday life over time.

When it comes to highly advanced technologies like the atom bomb or perpetual motion machines, or activating the living MerKaBa, our ability to use these things is something ordained from above.
Wisdom has this way of protecting itself.

Free Energy machines are the perfect example.
Many have been invented, and you know what happens to the people who invent them?
They are threatened by other factions which are indeed too powerful to try to fight against.

Edited by Telepylus (06/07/06 07:06 PM)

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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Fospher]
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Fospher said:
Let me rephrase that. How can you say that QM is affected by GR without that being an actual fact? It's like using String Theory as an argument against something. Sure, it may be a general consensus, but in the end, that's all it is, a theory.


Ahh, mayhap. I guess I'm simply biased against there being multiple rule sets for the universe, without a meta-rule set existing to be the rule as to when which is used. One must admit, though, that given the history of scientific development, it's not the worst bias one can have.

Fospher said:
The constant acceleration of an object with no net force acting on it.


Cosmological constant would be a net force. Or Quintessence. Both are candidates for what is usually called "dark energy"


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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
I just hope they are careful when they take the steps to get there, because generating a miniature black hole without being able to contain it properly would spell real bad news for the planet earth and most of the solar system.


DOOOOOOOD, I made a black hole two years ago, they only get stronger if you feed them.... 
The universe I created it in contains it quite nicely....!    :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: PhanTomCat]
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A point of trivia: Russian scientists use the term Frozen Star rather than Black Hole. The reason is because, in Russian, the phrase "black hole" is an obscenity.

I'll leave the rest to your imagination.  :tongue:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Telepylus]
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Thanks for replying! Good light body vehicle stuff.  :thumbup: Wish it was in MR&P. I was wondering more what you had on , oh never mind.  :smile:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: Diploid]
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Stars drink too much vodka and suffer from rot? :shocked:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Perpetual Motion [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Have either of you done any reading into white hole theories related to the post topic. I wish I still had some neat links I had saved on my old hard drive.


I read about the white-hole theories a long time ago, and my understanding is that they are not accepted as fact (or anything approaching fact) any longer.

The idea, as I recall, was that matter falling into a black hole has to go somewhere as the Laws of Thermodynamics prevent it from simply "disappearing".

The confusion came from our ideas of what matter is, as well as our entire concept of location and movement. The matter falling into a black hole does not have to "go" anywhere at all - it's already somewhere (inside the black hole). The motion bit is a little harder to explain, but suffice it to say that matter doesn't have to "move" inside a black hole - once it reaches the event horizon "movement" ceases to make any logical sense.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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