fireworks_god said:

"In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

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So, since we understand how things work around this star system, we instantly assume that these laws are universal.

These may only be local laws.

Systems with radically different star and planet systems may not act the way you expect them too.

Black holes are one of the biggest mysteries.

What are they?
Why do some seem to eject material?
How long have they been around?
What causes them?

Virtually every thing, we think we know, is based on assumptions.

Do we know what temperature water freezes at here.....
Do we know how water freezes around some vastly different solar system....

It is just an assumption based on very limited knowledge.

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Do we know what temperature water freezes at here.....
Do we know how water freezes around some vastly different solar system....

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Telepylus said:

also, the singularity itself is basically the exact same force in the universe as Christ.

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Telepylus said:

as for ideas of entropy and thermodynamics-
it means nothing

it is true in this House we must obey the law of thermodynamics.
but there are other dimensions you can move through to pass by any law, like breaking the speed of light, or anything you can think of

by nature the universe is not so rigid
if it were, it would break

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Telepylus said:

you can look at that picture of the galaxy with the blue x rays spewing out.
that is also what the tiniest sub-atomic field looks like.
the fabric of the universe is like endless tiny black hole lookin' thingys

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Telepylus said:the fabric of the universe is like endless tiny black hole lookin' thingys

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Telepylus said:
when did Newton live? man it had to be 1500 or earlier wasn't it?
i think it's about time he does some rollin' in his grave.

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fireworks_god said:

I was simply referring to an episode of the Simpsons.


Peace.

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Lisa Simpson said:

Grade me, GRADE ME!

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trendal said:

As for black holes...they are actually understood a lot better than you seem to think.

What are they?

Stars that have collapsed beyond their Schwarzschild radius.

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Why do some seem to eject material?

The material isn't ejected from within the black hole itself. It is shot away at incredible speeds from the area surrounding the black hole. Essentially, the material being drawn into the black hole can be accelerated so fast that it will "miss" the black hole and be flung off into space.

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How long have they been around?

The first black holes could have formed after the first generation of stars began to near the end of their lives.

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What causes them?

Collapsing stars.

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niteowl said:

Please prove.....beyond a shadow of a doubt, all these things you believe.

You cant. I cant. No one can.

We are just shooting in the dark, guessing about these things.

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niteowl said:

So these black holes could not be primal. A part of the universe that has been here since the big bang. Driving the formation of galaxies.

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Xanthas said:

niteowl said:

So these black holes could not be primal. A part of the universe that has been here since the big bang. Driving the formation of galaxies.

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A possibility, but not one which detracts from the theory of black hole formation due to collapsing supermassive stars.

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There is no evidence that stars collapse into black holes.......only speculation.

"We think thats the way it is.....so it must be true" 

niteowl said:

Xanthas said:

niteowl said:

So these black holes could not be primal. A part of the universe that has been here since the big bang. Driving the formation of galaxies.

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A possibility, but not one which detracts from the theory of black hole formation due to collapsing supermassive stars.

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There is no evidence that stars collapse into black holes.......only speculation.

"We think thats the way it is.....so it must be true" 

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Xanthas said:

niteowl said:

So these black holes could not be primal. A part of the universe that has been here since the big bang. Driving the formation of galaxies.

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A possibility, but not one which detracts from the theory of black hole formation due to collapsing supermassive stars.

There is no evidence that stars collapse into black holes.......only speculation.

There is no evidence that stars exist outside our solar system. Or, for that matter, inside our solar system. Only speculation based upon logical conjecture.

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Are you saying the existence of the sun is a mere speculation?



The fact that we know it's speed of rotation, it's chemical makeup, the effects of it's solar flares on aurora borealis aren't just shots in the dark, they are proven facts.

In fact, not only do we know our sun, we have information on stars millions of light years away, and not on just their position, but their age, their temperature, and their makeup.

Think about this: You are studying the makeup of the human race. Instead of studying a baby grow old into an old man, you could instead go to, New York, a large collection of humans in a small spot, and study babies, adolescents, adults, and the elderly, putting together a report of how a baby turns into an old man.

Think of a star cluster as "New York". And in our case, we do not only have "New York", but plenty of other cities, and even clusters of galaxies to make these observations. And while we may not know what is happening inside the singularity point of a black hole, we've got the general grasp on the universe.

And whoever said that the universe is made up of millions of "black hole thingies", might not have had the literal knowledge on Astronomy, but had the general idea. There's a fine line between the Subatomic Realm and the Astronomic.