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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: MustardMan]
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there is also co2 in the atmosphere, which we breathe all the time.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: BigSexyJesus]
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It wouldn't be that CO2 is toxic, but that a lack of O2 means your cells cannot carry out oxidative phosphorylation, their primary mechanism for generating ATP/deriving energy. CO2 is a biproduct of oxidative phosphorylation and high levels of it signal a lack of oxygen.

But really...holding your breath for 30 seconds while smoking is NOT going to cause any real negative effects in terms of cell death...cells die all the time in your body at a tremendous rate, it takes a hell of a lot more than 30 seconds-1 minute of no oxygen to have problems.

Think about this people...do your lips turn blue from holding your breath while toking? No. It is not really possible to starve yourself of oxygen to the degree that would cause damage by just holding your breath. When oxygen levels are dangerously low and CO2 levels high, YOU NOTICE...it's reflexive, you will breath in air.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: DadeMurphy]
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Well now that this thread's turned into whether or not holding hits is a bad idea, I'd like to throw in my two cents.

Holding smoke for insane amounts of time is dumb in my opinion. Once it passes through your, all of the active ingredients in the smoke have been absorbed. Just because the smoke's sitting there, it doesn't mean that it will surely be absorbed. This is the real world, not a laboratory. We know that it's bad to hold smoke in your lungs, so why do it? Because you get more stoned? Get better weed. Go on breaks. Change your setting. The list goes on.

I've personally gotten to the point where I can take one relaxing toke and be high for a good few hours. And it's not because I choose to select better weed, but because my settings are generally more relaxed, the weed's plentiful, I have a low tolerance from smoking responsibly and I probably have a better mindset. I enjoy weed a lot more now. And even if I was low on weed, I wouldn't hold it for more than 3-5 seconds once I've stopped drawing smoke and air into my lungs.

Pull the smoke into your lungs, draw in a little air afterwards so it's not in your throat, pause for just a moment and begin to comfortably release the smoke. The typically hit for me takes around 5 seconds. I used to play smoke holding games in high school but I care more about my health than how stoned I get nowadays. Does that make sense? I don't even think that holding your hits does anything in relation to your high. You just get dizzy for the first little while and then it's the same high you would have had anyways. Coughing on the other hand bakes you out of your mind.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
EquilibriuM said:
My eyes are always dry and bloodshot. I don't smoke weed... anybody got a remedy?


And there are special eye drops for that, tired, dried red eyes. Helps me.


whats wrong with people?


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: camelsmoker]
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"Smoking, itself, is bad in the first place, so if you're worried about your health, why smoke at all?"

lol omg do i even have to answer this question?

well i soppose everyone has there own mindset and nothing will change it. kind of like brainwashing from the gov. but now stoners are doing it as well.

the point of smoking RESPONSABLLY is not to get wasted and ruin your health! IF thats what your out to do...why not cut to the chase and well, ruin your health in quicker ways if thats what does it for yah? that way you don't give "potheads" a bad reputation.

and i guess people who have smoked threw bongs there entire life wouldn't have any clue about getting smoke in there eyes..this is true. but when someone cheifs on a joint the smoke tends to run up your face sometimes if you head is tilted down even a little. those who have expereienced this would notice a burning sensation and eye irration....im almost 900000000000000000000000000000000% postive this can cause REDEYES. but im NOT saying its the only cause or the main cause.

as for holding smoke in your lungs....there is ALOT more bad stuff in it than the goodies. could you absorb "some" more good stuff by holding, its very possible. But at the cost..its not worth it. and those who have taken chemistry and science would know that chemicals DO aborb at different rates.

and i know one hit can get me jaded, so if you have to hold each of your 20 bong hits it for 20 seconds each that ALONE should tel you something....your lungs are prob clogged the fuck up and thats why you have to hold it in to get "higher", yet it was holding in hits
"because thats what your friends do" that got you there in the first place.

its like kids, or actually the way people in the world have always been you don't care about the actions you take untill something bad happens to you because of it. get fucked up while yah can right? i tend to be moderate with my lifestyle so i can live another day to do it again.

those that hold there hits in any of you ever go for a jog? lol i cry just thinking about it.


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Edited by makaveli8x8 (05/13/06 11:04 PM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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OK.. having blood shot eyes is not detrimental to you, its actually dilating your blood vessels which causes more blood to be flowing to your eyes which relieves interocular pressure.

marijuana smoke is not like tobacco smoke tobacco constricts your air ways, marijuana dilates them and actually helps to clean your lungs. i used to smoke an ounce every 2 weeks for about a year and a half and never have any lung problems whatsoever
and macrophages don't roam around in the lungs. macrophages usually dwell within your connective tissue. the cilia are the only things that remove things from your lungs over time.

oh and this is about the jog issue i am a serious free diver, SCUBA diver, Ialso spearfish, and dive for lobsters and i have never not once noticed any negative effects on my ability to hold my breath while diving and i usually hold my hits.
oops was high and forgot to spell check he he


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Edited by MrMolotov (05/13/06 11:16 PM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: MrMolotov]
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well i regret to inform you of how wrong you are...please do a little research to see if what i said was acutally right or not first....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrophage#Phagocytosis


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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and please oh PLEASE show me something...anything that says mj is good for your lungs. MAYBE it diolates your airways, but there is no way in hell it cleans your lungs. anyone saying it does was prob high when they wrote it or trying to push a mj law.

diving is not jogging by the way. your talking about not using your lungs vs. using them alot.


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Edited by makaveli8x8 (05/13/06 11:35 PM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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i never tried to say its good for your lungs its a hell of a lot better than tobacco because having things dilated makes it easier for them to be cleaned. the tars aren't really the worst part of smoke the reason ciggy smoke is so bad is the radiation from the high phosphate fertilizers used in the production of American tobacco which turns into polonium 228 not quite sure on the number tho. all tobacco has some radiation but American tobacco is much worse than say Indonesian tobacco that is not produced with the nasty ferts. i used to have the link to the radiation reference but it died when my comp blew up.
but the radiation is transpired and then collects around the tobacco plants or something similar. and it forms these patches called "hot spots" and has a half life of something around 15-25 years and thats usually what causes the cancer is those radioactive hot spots
im gonna go to bed after takin some bong rips peace.

oh the diving thing your lungs have to be in good working order to be able to diffuse CO2 and other wastes out and takein oxygen properly you try to see how long a heavy smoker can hold his breath for underwater and compare it to a non tobacco smoker.


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Edited by MrMolotov (05/13/06 11:48 PM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: MrMolotov]
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lol go for a jog tomorrow and report back to me. im sure your right about diffusing thow that does sound right. but when you jog well lets call it test number two for how well your lungs work. (which the masses can also use easily.

but for dilation and cleaner lungs...well nobody was saying mj was worse than cigs.

but lets not let people thing mj is safe either...holding it in is worse. and dilation well you still havn't provided anything to back that up.

secondly on dilation...this would provide more surface area..which might make it harder for the cleaning to be done. and cillia and villia w/e...they like to work together to move things out...dilation would spread them farther apart from each other.

and villia or cillia...whatever there offical name is im not sure...they only line the trachea and maybe broncii..thats it macrophages clean everything else.

for everything else im not sure how dilation would help...


as for cigs, radiation and such will cause the cancer...but the tars will cake everything in your lungs and as stated in previous posts macrophages get overwhelmed die...when they stop cleaning cells die...once lung cells die they don't grow back....emphozema...if you have this....you would think different.


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Edited by makaveli8x8 (05/14/06 12:04 AM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis

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Smoking
Different and fewer risks than tobacco
The process most popularly used to ingest cannabis is smoking. Tobacco smoking has well-established risks such as bronchitis, coughing, overproduction of mucus, and wheezing. Similar risks for smoking cannabis related to airway inflammation have been suggested in a study of healthy cannabis users who exhibited similar early characteristics to tobacco smoking. [26]

The effects of tobacco and cannabis smoking differ, however, as they affect different parts of the respiratory tract: whereas tobacco tends to penetrate to the smaller, peripheral passageways of the lungs, cannabis tends to concentrate on the larger, central passageways. One consequence of this is that cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not appear to cause emphysema. Also unlike tobacco, regular cannabis use does not appear to cause COPD, either. [27] Also, researchers have speculated on potential side effects[citation needed] from the fact that cannabis burns at a higher temperature than tobacco.

It is important to note that in some cases, a cannabis user may encounter commercial tobacco in joints (popular in Europe), added tobacco with hash in chillum (India), or cannabis rolled in tobacco leaves, which would expose the user to the additional risks of tobacco, though nothing on the same order as regular tobacco use.

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Potency matters
By analogy with tobacco smoking, an NIDA-funded study sought to establish a risk to respiratory health by analysing the contents of cannabis smoke, observe inhalation volume of cannabis smokers, and infer risks such as blood carboxyhemoglobin levels from this. [28]

The methodological difficulty, however, was that all the subjects were both tobacco and cannabis smokers, smoking ultra-low-potency (0.004% and 1.24%) NIDA-provided cannabis. Typical potency is closer to 7-15%. Like a listener turning up a radio until he can hear it, a cannabis smoker will regulate the dose by smoking until the desired effect is felt, which in ultra-low-potency cannabis translates into much greater volume of inhaled smoke, and so abnormally high blood carboxyhemoglobin levels. Typical levels would therefore be much lower than the study found. These problems notwithstanding, this is a primary study cited by NIDA in this regard.

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No cancer link
A recent study [29] on a much larger population sample (about 1200), however, not only failed to establish a cancer risk, but showed a slight negative correlation between long-term cannabis use and lung cancers, suggesting a possible therapeutic effect. This followed an even larger 1997 study [30] examing the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients, and concluding no correlation between cannabis use and cancer. It has been noted, separately, that THC, a dilative agent, may help cleanse the lungs by dilating the bronchia, and could actively reduce the instance of tumors. [31] Yet another study failed to establish a link between cannabis use and oral cancer. [32]

Although the carcinogenicity of tobacco is thought to be caused mainly by tar, it has been suggested that it could be the result of radioactive substances present in tobacco soils. This problem does not pertain to cannabis, the vast majority of which is grown in wild, organic, or hydroponic conditions.


Im not sure where I saw the information, but I know I've seen another report that said, because MJ helps dilate the lungs, it actually helps you have more productive coughs. Productive Coughs are used by the lungs to help loosen up phlegm, and other crap so that it can be cleared out.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: BrekkFu]
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well thats a pretty interesting read, first document ive seen of it.

but i want to point a few things out

"tends" to concentrate on the larger

"does not appear" to cause emphysema

Also, researchers have speculated on potential side effects[citation needed] from the fact that cannabis burns at a higher temperature than tobacco.

if you take a napkin and blow smoke threw it...it will turn brown or black eventually...same thing happens with the lungs...and it has to get cleaned up and out...if it doesn't its got to cause one problem or another.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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if you guys are smoking weed and arguing about whether holding it in or not is bad for you...then you all need to give your weed to me cause you are a bunch of morons. smoking in general is bad for you, so if you do it, might as well hold it a bit to get everything you were going for.

tar = cancer Deal with it and stop being a bunch of pussies trying to argue how the "heatliest way to smoke weed" goes. If you're all that concerned stop eating and make some ghee.


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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Alright well... First of all, bloodshot eyes will not do any damage (least none that's been observed). It is not caused by the smoke but a chemical in the marijuana.

As for the holding in your hits thing... The oxygen deprivation causing brain damage was a lame argument... How long are you holding a hit in? I'd say maybe 30 seconds at most... Do you have any idea how shallow people normally breath? The amount of air taken in from a hit would be more than enough to tide you over for those extra few seconds... Sure macrophages die, but like you said, thousands of cells are dying in us constantly and like all cells, they will be replaced. If the body senses that there are not enough white bloodcells then it will start increasing the rate of white bloodcells being produced to make up for the ones killed by the smoke. To me the difference between holding it in a bit longer and just exhaling like with a cigarette makes a pretty significant difference to the high I'm able to get. Simply exhaling the smoke immediately can get me nicely buzzed... but nowhere near what I should be getting out of it... It's almost not even worth smoking in the first place because you have to increase the amount of smoke you're inhaling just to achieve what you should have gotten. Sure, I can get stonned off a couple hits but screw it, I like getting high, and I don't like smoking small amounts when I can smoke more. Not that I think it's cool to smoke lots or anything, I just preffer having a stronger high and being able to extend that high...

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
anyways its the smoke that does it...when you smoke try holding your head in a way that no smoke can rise and come in contain with your eyes as easy....i bet this will help some.


I bet it wont. That is possibly the most retarded thing I have ever read on this site. It is NOT the smoke that does it. If you are using a bong, how the fuck is smoke going to get in you're eyes... unless you have you're head in a bag or sumthin?!?!?

I wish it was the smoke.

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: Fingerbib]
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finger there was a person who said the same thing...i replyed to him see that post plz.

as for brain damage...well it may have been "lame" but its entirely possible. "if" brain damage can occur after 3 mins....and were talking noticable brain damge here. then minor, non noticable damage can accour at any amount of time under that....to a point where only after years would you start to notice. therefore holding your breath 6 times...for 30 seconds...over years....if you say that cann't cause any brain damage at all...well then its already done its work on you.

p.s. and were not talking about just holding your breath here guys, were talking holding it with smoke in your lungs, in which case there is alot less o2 in there and alot more co2 which "could" get absorbed abck into your blood and sent BACK to the cells. so yeah you may only be holding your breath for 30 seconds but your brain will be consumed with co2 for a little bit longer than that i would think.

as for macrophages being rebuilt..sure. also consider they will continue to die, how taxing would that be on your body.


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Edited by makaveli8x8 (05/14/06 05:14 AM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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I know someone said the same thing, i just don't recall you justifying what you said (I am rather pissed)

I have no doubt - being informed by several GP's - that holding smoke in damages you're lungs (and doesn't increase your high) but it has nothing to do with this topic... It is so completely obvious that any sort of smoke in your lungs does damage that its not worth mentioning. As far as getting smoke in your eyes though, yeah, its gonna hurt, but that ain't wahts making your eyes bloodshot.

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: Fingerbib]
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holding your breath for thirty seconds does not damage your brain when you hold smoke for thirty seconds sure your getting less oxygen but your body still has a reserve of oxygen still inside and when you don't get enough oxygen the body automatically slows your heart rate and constricts the flow of blood to your extremities sending more oxygen to your brain and other vital functions. it also slows your heart rate. you kill neurons EVERY DAY from daily activities. you have billions if not trillions of them and holding a little bit more CO2 in your lungs and blood stream for 30 seconds wont do jack shit.

and i fucking hate jogging simply because of the deathcamp bullshit way they forced ppl to jog and make our legs feel like crap for a day or two.
i ride bikes and i wentfor ride this morning from my house to my school then down along the coast and home it would be about 4 maybe 5 miles not a very big ride at all its mostly flat leaning towrds uphill noticed no lung probs still able to climb up hills no problems i dont feel like editing, i just woke up and had a spliff and am gonna drive to the store in a few mins


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Edited by MrMolotov (05/14/06 09:59 AM)

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: MrMolotov]
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*shrug* Well, I've always held hits in for awhile, and I've been smoking for about 4-5 years, and I've been diving for about 3 years... I still only use 1/2-3/4 the air that most other people on the dive go through, and it's not like I'm trying to resserve oxygen or anything, so I don't think my lungs could really be that screwed up from it... Granted 5 years isn't that long when you consider the human life span... But by that point I'm sure you'll do something that'll harm your body a lot more than any slight build ups of extra crap in your lungs from holding the smoke in...

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Re: Do bloodshot eyes do any damage? [Re: Fingerbib]
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Fingerbib said:
I know someone said the same thing, i just don't recall you justifying what you said (I am rather pissed)

I have no doubt - being informed by several GP's - that holding smoke in damages you're lungs (and doesn't increase your high) but it has nothing to do with this topic... It is so completely obvious that any sort of smoke in your lungs does damage that its not worth mentioning. As far as getting smoke in your eyes though, yeah, its gonna hurt, but that ain't wahts making your eyes bloodshot.


"and i guess people who have smoked threw bongs there entire life wouldn't(<----------------) have any clue about getting smoke in there eyes..this is true. but when someone cheifs on a joint(<---------) the smoke tends to run up your face sometimes if you head is tilted down even a little. those who have expereienced this would notice a burning sensation and eye irration....im almost 900000000000000000000000000000000% postive this (--------->)can cause REDEYES(<-------). but im (---->)NOT saying its the only cause or the main cause(<-------).
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i think i did

p.s. i don't know why anyones getting pissed. were having a legit discussion, and i try to keep it peaceful and respectful when doing so. but when i feel im being disrespected...i tend to fire back just out of reflex. also everything i say has "some" logic to it so im not just pissing in the wind. diver and some others have had some "VERY" good points and said them in respectful ways and its good to be able to have a "friendly" discussion.


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