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the ego
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the ego is the downfall of all humanity. we are creatures. and that is that. creatures with free thought. the ego is just a f-ing front people put up. an image. a mask. a mask that they want society to see. f it. when you look at the core of life we are the same, that is that. deep down all is the same. 99% space that is all we are. we are molecules arranged in such a way. f the ego.

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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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:projectile:

you aren't saying anything.

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Re: the ego [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I just needed to vent that somewhere. I guess its been bugging me for a while and I did not even know it till last night. Its just I really hate the ego. It ties you down restricts you. Being egoless you can embrace anything and nothing can hold you down. Why do you think buddhist monks are just the self. No ego involved. Its the true way to live. Survive.

Edited by Tangerines (04/29/06 01:38 PM)

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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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what are you venting? what are you saying?

Hollow statements. Maybe it is your inability to properly put into words this cognition of yours, or maybe you are trying to find that perfect pseudo-intellectual point between vagueness and esoteric.

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Re: the ego [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I am saying why does humanity need to create an ego???It just creates problems. I guess it is just my opinion. But if I have an opinion I have an ego. That goes against what i was saying before. i guess the only thing i should say is i am confused. I do not want an ego. But not wanting an ego is just another type of ego. so i guess i need an ego and am forever lost.

Edited by Tangerines (04/29/06 01:45 PM)

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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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Tangerines said:
the ego is the downfall of all humanity.


My ego didn't make me fall down....  My lack of coordination did.... 
My ego was there to look around and make sure no one saw me fall....  :tongue:


Leggo my eggo....    :grin:


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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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I dont like the term ego, but I will bite here.

the ego doesn't create problems, just allows you to perceive things to be either a problem or not.

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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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Tangerines said:
I am saying why does humanity need to create an ego???


:confused:


>^;;^<


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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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An ego is a sense of one's identity. The problem is not having a sense of who one is, but having a poorly managed sense of identity, one that remains ineffective in properly orchestrating your life.

There is the self, and then there is the mind's sense of self. Which one comes first? The self, naturally. One's sense of self is a tool that one can utilize to bring awareness into oneself and to begin to develop, change, and lead oneself.

One considerable problem is that some people hold concrete, preconceptions as to who they are. They do not experience the self as it occurs in the moment, but derive their identity from the sense of self (as opposed to identifying with one's experience of the self). Don't preconceive, perceive. :tongue:

The self is the culmination of all experience and thought, and it unfolds in the moment. A mental sense of self is an abstraction. It is useful and necessary. Manage it wisely.

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Re: the ego [Re: PhanTomCat]
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I have alot of thinking to do. I guess I am still in that stage even though I hate the phrase but I am trying to "find myself." It's just hard to live around all these people who obsess over their material objects when I don't care at all. I just cannot find anyone to connect to except my close friends which happen to be mostly guys. I just get filled with disgust when I am around other people and they just seem to want to live the OC life, a lie.

Probably why I can't get a girlfriend...I just don't want to here about the shoes they bought or the car they want or whatever. I mean talk to me about the string theory, or quantum mechanics or past the 4 dimensions and I can have a full blown conversation. Otherwise I am going to seem uninterested because I am. I am not going to pretend to care or be interested. People may think I am mean but whatever most people dont care they just pretend. I am not about to lower myself to pretend to be happy or pretend to have interest.

I hate the term 'smile' when you get a picture because it is totally falsifying your emotions. You were not happy during that picture. If you really were smiling you would not need to make yourself smile you would smile automatically. I like when people take pictures without me knowing. Then if I am actually having a good time it is captured with no falsifying of the emotions. I was truly happy and did not have to bullshit.

EDIT: Fireworks I like the way you worded that. Maybe I have been just stubborn abut myself changing. I do look on the past alot. IT seems more than the future. How I USED to be or what I USED to do. No more need for anyone to reply I guess this thread is done with.

Edited by Tangerines (04/29/06 02:03 PM)

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Re: the ego [Re: Tangerines]
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the ego is the downfall of all humanity.

Merely the ego qua ego? Bullshit. Irrationality is the downfall of humanity, of which mysticism is emblematic of.
Rational egoism has been the rise, the glory of all humanity.




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Re: the ego [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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:shitstorm:

the term rational egoism is quite possibly the most subjective thing I have heard.

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Re: the ego [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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Right on dude. The ego is as necessary as breathing and a healthy, in balance ego is a joy to behold. (or so I have heard) :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: the ego [Re: Icelander]
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for people who claim to be so "objectivly rational" you guys sure do spread around a lot of subjective opinion around.

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Re: the ego [Re: Icelander]
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Indeed. And heh, I'd like to admit, I fell for that whole "anti-ego" thing back in the day as well. Of course, I wasn't really thinking things through. Now I know better: It isn't the fact that one has an Ego that is the problem; it's how one maintains and builds their integrated sense-of-self [i.e., ego] that is the problem. And of course, that comes back down to the issue of a proper, upright and rational philosophy [or lack thereof].




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Re: the ego [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
:shitstorm:

the term rational egoism is quite possibly the most subjective thing I have heard.


No kidding


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Re: the ego [Re: Basilides]
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Is it not an objective fact that a person can think rationally, make rational choices, and have a rational basis for their subjective [defined as: particular to] Ego?




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Re: the ego [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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SkorpivoMusterion said:
the ego is the downfall of all humanity.

Merely the ego qua ego? Bullshit. Irrationality is the downfall of humanity, of which mysticism is emblematic of.
Rational egoism has been the rise, the glory of all humanity.





Complete, utter BS. The ego births monsters like the German SS, delusional dictators like Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong-Il. It is ego that results in fist fights outside bars when someone ends up killing their best friend over a girl. It is once again ego that births greed and selfish desire for status. Come to think about it, it is the personal egotism of self-centric individuals that is used to rationalize evil, selfish persuits. And you have the nerve to say that mysticism is the downfall of humanity? I doubt it. For humanity to fall it takes great numbers. And there are far more ego-driven individuals in this world than mystically driven individuals.

So do the math, Skorp.


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Re: the ego [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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SkorpivoMusterion said:
Is it not an objective fact that a person can think rationally, make rational choices, and have a rational basis for their subjective [defined as: particular to] Ego?





um..... this is like saying "is it not an objective fact that Blue is the best looking color eyes, 3 is an unlucky number, and Styx sucks?".

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Re: the ego [Re: Basilides]
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Complete, utter BS.

To the contrary.


The ego births monsters like the German SS, delusional dictators like Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong-Il. It is ego that results in fist fights outside bars when someone ends up killing their best friend over a girl.

-Observe how Basiledes evades the fact that I specifically said: rational egoism, and proceeds to attack people who are antipodes of precisely that which I referred to.

-Note then that Basiledes draws out examples of neurotic, ignorant and self-destructive madmen, while ignoring the fact that these individuals do not constitute the population of people with an ego, read: all living, interacting humans.

The ego is simply the sense of self that naturally arises from living a human life in myriad forms of interaction. The Ego qua Ego is not to blame for such disasters in the field of humanities; rather it is unreasonable philosophies which support unreasonable actions that are the destructive forces at hand. To claim that because there are some [but not all] destructive egos, all egos are therefore detrimental to humanity is plain ridiculous, not to mention it is simply a form of evasion; all the mystic-criticizing of the Ego is just a cover for being hopeless in reason and their excuse for not getting off their lazy butts to improve the situation. Rather than take responsibility for their own Mind, they try to find a sense of purpose in attacking the Ego.


It is once again ego that births greed and selfish desire for status.

Wrong. It is a certain kind of philosophy that gives rise to such ethics. Note once more, that you neglect to mention the Egos equipped with philosophies which support behavior that is rationally selfish, rationally benevolent, and so forth.


And you have the nerve to say that mysticism is the downfall of humanity? I doubt it. For humanity to fall it takes great numbers.

Indeed, look at how corrupt the field of humanities is. Look how far behind it is in contrast to the sciences. Note the fundamental differences between the two. One is corrupted with mysticism, subjectivism and intrinsicism, while the other is not. Of course, you will protest your Divine Right to Stagnation. That's fine - I practice what I preach, and respect your rights as an individual. But as I am a free individual, I will excercise my rights to free speech as well.


And there are far more ego-driven individuals in this world than mystically driven individuals.

False dichotomy. You sophomorically dichotomize the mystics with the non-mystics by the standard of the Ego - which, whether you like to realize it or not, is something that any living and interacting human being has. Of course, what you really intend to say, is that there are more non-mystical people in the world then there are mystical folks.
Not so fast. I can think of many a polls conducted in the past that showed a disturbing amount of people who still believe the human population was spawned entirely by two fully-grown human adults in the U.S. Most of which voted for Bush - another religious fanatic, who by virtue of being the President of USA, supports my point: There are far many more people who've abandoned reason and are lost in vague, arbitrary mysticism [redundant, I know].
On top of that, look at the mysticism that pervades most other cultures in parts of the world from the Middle East to Russia to Spain to Brazil. Aside from that, there is the glaring fact that Atheism, as a philosophical stance, is a minority [one of which I am part of]. The same goes for Objectivism, which is minority [one of which I am part of].
Even this forum [particularly in contrast with the Mystic forum] reflects this proportion of demographics.

To reiterate the actual point, in case you've forgotten: The Ego qua Ego, does not deserve the bad rap that you mystics attempt to give it. Of course, in the creed of self-sacrifice and humility, the Ego qua Ego is the enemy...



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