Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds UK
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals, CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
OfflineYthanA
ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/08/97
Posts: 18,774
Loc: NY/MA/VT Borderlands Flag
Last seen: 9 hours, 2 minutes
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5522197 - 04/16/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually I was installing in a VMWare virtual machine so the hardware couldn't be more standard. I tried putting it on a K6-2 500 but bailed on day 3 of the compile. I know there are more user-friendly distros than Gentoo, but that's what our server runs so that's what I want to use. It still shouldn't take that long to get a system working in this era of plug and play.

I did install it on my Xbox first try. :smile: But that's basically just running a live CD.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 2 months, 19 days
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Ythan]
    #5523546 - 04/17/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Microsoft is so big and successful that they inevitably attract their share of detractors.




Lots of big companies out there that I don't dislike.

Quote:

But I think over the years they've done a lot more good than harm to the tech landscape.




This is what they want you to think.  "We have done a lot of good."  The only good Microsoft has done has been accidental. 

Quote:

They're in a much more difficult position than any other company - they have to write an OS which will run on a virtually infinite number of hardware configurations, maintain backwards compatibility for their existing users, continue to improve the security and stability of their product, all while making everything easy enough to use for any random grandmother.




Wah.  So they have a difficult task.  This doesn't give them the right to screw the industry as a whole.

Quote:

No, their business practices are not always the most ethical, but they're stuck in a no-win situation. As a recent example, they were going to include antivirus software with Vista, but that sparked antitrust concerns. So now it will only be available as a paid add-on and people will doubtlessly bitch about the lack of security and profit motives instead.




They dug their own hole.  If they had designed a multiuser system in the first place, we wouldn't have so many security problems.

Quote:

They don't have as much power as people think.




Yes they do.  It is called "Embrace and Destroy" and Microsoft is very, very good at it.  What they cannot embrace and destroy they buy and shelve.  This is my big gripe with Microsoft.  I don't care about the 95% monopoly, or the buggy software, or the constant crashes, but what really gets me intentional destruction of public standards to lock the industry to the Microsoft monopoly.

Quote:

If there was a viable alternative desktop operating system, it would be available from PC manufacturers. It's easy to get a server with Linux preinstalled, even from Dell.




.... and how many years went by before Dell started to offer Linux as an option?  I remember buying my first Dell and begging them to reduce the price by the cost of the OS, which I didn't want, and they could not do.  It wasn't until the antitrust stuff came out that Microsoft relented and allowed the computer makers to offer an alternate OS.  If you think Microsoft wasn't the one preventing the computer makers from putting out a linux version of their hardware, you are very mistaken.  Oh wait, Microsoft has no real power, silly me...  :rolleyes:

Quote:

I'm sure Microsoft would rather sell a copy of Windows 2003 with each box, but it just doesn't work that way. There's too much market demand so Dell won't cave. Linux just isn't competitive with Windows as a desktop OS yet, although open-source evangelists would prefer you believe that Microsoft Black-ops are keeping it repressed.




I don't think Microsoft tries to kill the open source software, but they certainly don't help.  Have you ever looked at the Microsoft specifications for the windows media codec?  The EU forced them to release the specification, so Microsoft complied, with an ode to obfuscation.


Quote:

But you'll see, if and when it offers comparable functionality to Windows, it will start popping up on more and more low cost machines. After all, as hardware gets increasingly cheaper, a Microsoft OS is becoming a significant percentage of the computer's total cost. It's not like Internet Explorer stopped people from installing Firefox when a better alternative came along (only 64% of our visitors use IE).




Tell that to Netscape... I'm sure they will feel better...

This is another great example of why I dislike Microsoft.  When was the last time Microsoft added a great new feature to IE?  About the same time that they finally destroyed Netscape.  True innovation.

Quote:

I know people will argue this point with me, but I'm a computer enthusiast, I have command-line Linux experience, and it still took me like a week to get Gentoo and KDE working with all my hardware. There's no way I'd recommend it as a viable alternative to anyone who doesn't enjoy tweaking and troubleshooting their PC (not everyone does!)




Gentoo isn't an easy distribution to use... it is meant for those that wish to eek the last clock cycle from their system.  Other distributions are very easy to use if your hardware is on the compat list.  To be fair, if your hardware isn't on Microsoft's compat list, you will have just as difficult of a time.

Quote:

And don't forget that Bill Gates founded and endowed the world's largest charity which is working on practical solutions to serious problems facing third world countries. The guy seems to have a genuine desire to do good, since there are certainly cheaper and easier ways to generate good publicity.




Ah yes... and how long was Billy the worlds richest person before he started to donate money?  I guess late is better than never when you are trying to buy, I mean win, public opinion.

Quote:

So I dunno, they're not perfect, they're responsible for their fair share of proprietary standards and such, but they've also done a good job uniting the industry behind a common platform and moving it forward.




They have destroyed almost every single open standard that is.  They don't create their own specifications, but rather than change the ones every body else uses so that they only work with Microsoft products.  They do not play fair and return the changes they made back into the open.  Embrace and destroy.

The only reason they have united the industry behind a common platform is because they own the common platform and it is in the best interest of their monopoly if everybody else uses the common platform.  Again, if they really wanted to help the industry, they would release the standards, not keep them closed.

Quote:

And I think they're on the verge of reinventing themselves, like IBM did after their antitrust suit. I predict the coming years will bring a leaner and more focused Microsoft which responds to issues more quickly and is less averse to open standards.




I don't see it.  I think they are pretending to be a better company, but I have yet to see anything that indicates they are doing anything at all different.


Cool... thanks for the write-up, Ythan.  I used yours, line by line, because you summed up the pro-microsoft side fairly well, and I know you wont get offended by my ranting.  :smile:

My only real gripe with Microsoft is their Embrace and Destroy strategy of open standards and their refusal to release their own standards to the non-Microsoft world.  In both cases, I wouldn't care if they didn't own 95% of the market.  Rather than share, they act like a spoiled child in a candy store.  If they were a small player, I wouldn't expect them to share... but as the only real player, and the self-proclaimed saviors of the computing world, I wish they would practice what they preach.


--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: wilshire]
    #5525177 - 04/17/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

wilshire said:
what linux distributions have you tried installing? what was the problem? i've installed ubuntu on 5 different systems now and every install has gone completely without a hitch.



That's exactly the system I tried installing(ubuntu). I tried to install it several times, following the advice of ubuntu enthusiasts in this forum, and it never worked for me. Eventually I just gave up.

Quote:

i've used openoffice for about 2 years in linux and i've never had a problem with it. maybe the windows port isn't as good.



It's not a performance issue for me. It's just less user-friendly than MS Office, especially when it comes to PowerPoint presentations.

Quote:

ubuntu/debian > windows xp/2000



Wouldn't know, since I can't seem to install it.

Quote:

gaim > aol instant messenger



I use Trillian, and like it better than either of those.

Quote:

firefox > IE



Agreed

Quote:

nicotine > soulseek



Wouldn't know, since I don't use either of them.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinegrimR
hippiousmaximous
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 1,235
Loc: North America
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5553467 - 04/24/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would say you can't really compare linux x windows as a whole. Each can serve its purpose depending on what your looking for.

Reasons I use Linux:

Totally customizable

Free programming tools

The opensource community "comradery"

Cost (including the lack of need for virus scanning)

Using an older computer I am able to run many programs at once without freezing + good uptime (currently 49 days and counting, only reason it was shutdown before this was a power outage)

Lack of virii/trojans/spyware because of the fact most users don't run things as root unless completely necessary

Linux doesn't force you to keep anything, in fact if you really want to you can remove files that will cripple your system, windows on the other hand would force me to keep internet explorer as it is "a necessary component"

I feel safer on Linux, I feel like I control MY computer, it does not control me.

The list goes on...

of course I am sure there are reasons people choose to use windows I just was stating each has it's own purpose depending on what you need.

- grimR (A Linux Lifer)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinenife
I'm Dead
Male
Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 225
Last seen: 1 year, 18 days
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: grimR]
    #5553555 - 04/25/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Linux user here too. Really it comes down to power for me.
I have power of where/when I install it.
I have power over what I pay for it. (donate to the distro/project or not)
I have supreme power over the software installed. I can change the source code to do what I want.
The power to be able to fix things. I know the internals of linux better then I could ever hope to know windows.(since I have been taught the inner workings from system calls to start_kernel)
And it has the absolute best cheap development enviroment in the world. Vim + gcc or Eclipse + java.


--------------------
Protect Your Rights
Freedom Card


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,793
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: nife]
    #5570378 - 04/29/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)
Log in to view attachment

No sir: you can not make stuff like this up.
Download and be amazed by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's enthusiasm.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDoctorJ
Male

Registered: 06/30/03
Posts: 8,846
Loc: space
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Asante]
    #5570433 - 04/29/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, I prefer Microsoft's Windows2000 OS, over linux although I have switched from IE to Firefox.

The reason is mainly the software suites which are available on the MS platform which aren't available on the Linux platform.

However, I am interested in Linux, and I think that if indeed it is the better OS, it will win out over MS in time.

The reason Apple has fallen behind Microsoft is that Apple made a TON of mistakes in the 80's and 90's. The biggest mistake they made was offering consumers a communist, rigid, generic, uncustomizable product. Buying a mac in the 90's was akin to buying a car with its hood welded shut. The PC offered personalization and customizability. Also, consumers were able to build their own PC from components instead of relying on and paying for a large company to do it for them. That is why PC's won the battle of 90's computers.

But the consumer computer war continues. Now that Apple has gotten smart and solved some of their problems, they may have a chance to come back and give Microsoft a run for their money.

As I said before, if Linux is better, it will come out on top. May the best platform win.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemonamine
dork
Male

Registered: 04/28/06
Posts: 1,089
Loc: Florida, US
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5570511 - 04/29/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

M$=horrible PC software company, great videogame company (I loves my XBOX360)

I was that would focus soley on videogames, but hell will freeze over before that happens.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearainbow
Hippy


Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 691
Loc: Palnet Earth
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: goobler]
    #9534232 - 01/02/09 08:18 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

goobler said:
no matter what you think they are a necessary cog in the machine




NO any software house could have done a better job


--------------------
There is more joy in heaven over one of us perfected,
  than over ninety-nine naturally evolved angels.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonnrade
↑↑↓↓<--><-->BA
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 13,833
Loc: LA Suburbs
Last seen: 8 months, 25 days
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: arainbow]
    #9534266 - 01/02/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

arainbow said:
Quote:

goobler said:
no matter what you think they are a necessary cog in the machine




NO any software house could have done a better job




Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re:  DoctorJ]
    #5570511 - 04/29/06 01:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That was the last post in front of yours :kitty:


--------------------

I find your lack of faith disturbing


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemagicbastard
I'm a teapot

Registered: 03/18/05
Posts: 791
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Boom]
    #9534388 - 01/02/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Boom said:
I wish I had M$ stock.. With Vista coming out, you know every school and business and most people with a computer are going to upgrade. 




:lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiateshaggy
i haxor 360s
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 4,707
Loc: 612 Warf Avenue, next to....
Last seen: 1 month, 8 days
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: magicbastard]
    #9534500 - 01/02/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

i present to u, the necromaster.


--------------------
You are a filipina sex goddess who wants to fuck me until I fall asleep, so then you can tickle my balls and see if the legend of my diamond filled nutsuck is true.  I am a white man from costa rica, who smells like lime jello.


I can flash/jtag/repair 360's, pm for details.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletak
geo's henchman
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/20/00
Posts: 3,776
Loc: nowhereland
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: arainbow]
    #9534712 - 01/02/09 09:26 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

arainbow said:
Quote:

goobler said:
no matter what you think they are a necessary cog in the machine




NO any software house could have done a better job




I find this hard to believe.


--------------------
The DJ's took pills to stay awake and play for seven days.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemagicbastard
I'm a teapot

Registered: 03/18/05
Posts: 791
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: tak]
    #9535107 - 01/02/09 10:29 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Linux spawned from a router, it learned everything it knew from sniffing all the packets that traveled through the router. It then hijacked a computer and compiled its knowledge into a Osborne owned by Linus Torvalds back in the early 80's. The linux brainwashed poor Linus into its pawn. Soon Linus distributed the Linux virus to his fellow online friends, where they soon fell prey to the Deadly Linux. The Linux manipulated the New Comers, it taught them Linux's way, showing them how to alter its current state to a New, Better Linux. A linux to RULE THE WORLD. Don't choose the path of Linux, use a calculator instead.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletak
geo's henchman
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/20/00
Posts: 3,776
Loc: nowhereland
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: magicbastard]
    #9535538 - 01/02/09 11:58 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

My calculator is the best


--------------------
The DJ's took pills to stay awake and play for seven days.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBoom
just a tester
Male
Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 11,252
Loc: Cypress Creek
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: magicbastard]
    #9536874 - 01/03/09 09:27 AM (15 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

magicbastard said:
Quote:

Boom said:
I wish I had M$ stock.. With Vista coming out, you know every school and business and most people with a computer are going to upgrade. 




:lol:





:sad:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemagicbastard
I'm a teapot

Registered: 03/18/05
Posts: 791
Re: Microsoft - your opinions please? [Re: Boom]
    #9538394 - 01/03/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

oh...did you buy stock for Microsoft?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals, CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Microsoft Encourages Spyware Officially Huehuecoyotl 828 5 07/09/05 07:17 PM
by moog
* Mass. sides w/ Microsoft over Office Formats phi1618 752 5 11/30/05 12:53 PM
by Madtowntripper
* Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. Lana 7,924 18 07/11/02 02:14 PM
by Lana
* Opinions on Service Pack 2 Fospher 719 11 04/17/06 06:20 PM
by Fospher
* Does Microsoft have a case here? (Open Source "patent" violations) Boom 1,665 10 05/16/07 03:57 AM
by Seuss
* "When Microsoft lovers bash Microsoft..." Vvellum 837 2 04/26/06 04:12 AM
by Seuss
* Microsoft and Linux - SCO all over again Vvellum 1,192 3 11/20/06 01:37 PM
by Diploid
* Microsoft May Sue Red Hat Linux DiploidM 2,127 8 11/20/06 07:26 PM
by Catalysis

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: trendal, automan, Northerner
4,162 topic views. 0 members, 1 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.028 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 14 queries.