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Microsoft's Really Hidden Files.
    #430805 - 10/19/01 09:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,
This is a long ...very long article about how Microsoft hides files (usually log files of sites and emails that you've sent out to people) and a few other interesting things.... So if you have a few minutes to kill, go read:)

Au revoir!
Lana

Microsoft's Really Hidden Files: A New Look At Forensics. (v2.5b)
By The Riddler
October 14, 2001 (v2.0 finished May 16, 2001; v1.0 finished June 11, 2000)

Written with Windows 9x in mind, but not limited to.

DISCLAIMER:

I will not be liable for any damage or lost information, whether due to
reader's error, or any other reason.

SUMMARY:

There are folders on your computer that Microsoft has tried hard to keep
secret. Within these folders you will find two major things: Microsoft
Internet Explorer has been logging all of the sites you have ever visited --
even after you've cleared your history, and Microsoft's Outlook Express has
been logging all of your e-mail correspondence -- even after you've erased
them from your Deleted Items bin. (This also includes all incoming and
outgoing file attachments.) And believe me, that's not even the half of it.

When I say these files are hidden well, I really mean it. If you don't have
any knowledge of DOS then don't plan on finding these files on your own. I
say this because these files/folders won't be displayed in Windows Explorer at
all -- only DOS. (Even after you have enabled Windows Explorer to "view all
files.") And to top it off, the only way to find them in DOS is if you knew
the exact location of them. Basically, what I'm saying is if you didn't know
the files existed then the chances of you running across them is slim to
slimmer.

It's interesting to note that Microsoft does not explain this behavior
adequately at all. Just try searching on microsoft.com.

FORWARD:

I know there are some people out there that are already aware of some of the
things I mention. I also know that most people are not. The purpose of this
tutorial is teach people what is really going on with Microsoft's products and
how to take control of their privacy again. This tutorial was written by me,
so if you see a mistake somewhere then it is my mistake, and I apologize.

Thanks for reading.

INDEX:

1) DEFINITIONS AND ACRONYMS
2) WHY YOU SHOULD ERASE THESE FILES
3) HOW TO ERASE THE FILES ASAP
3.1) If You Own Microsoft Internet Explorer
3.2) Clearing Your Registry
3.3) If You Own Outlook Express
3.4) Slack files
3.5) Keeping Microsoft's Products
4) STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE THROUGH YOUR HIDDEN FILES (For the savvy.)
5) A LOOK AT OUTLOOK
6) HOW MICROSOFT DOES IT
7) +S MEANS [S]ECRET NOT [S]YSTEM.
8) THE TRUTH ABOUT FIND FAST
8.1) Removing Find Fast
9) CONTACT INFORMATION AND PGP BLOCKS
9.1) Recommended reading
10) SPECIAL THANKS
11) REFERENCES

Coming Soon:

? pstores.exe
? Related Windows Tricks.
? The NSA-Key.
? Researching the [Microsoft Update] button.
? Why the temp folders aren't intended to be temporary at all.
? What's with Outlook Express's .dbx database files?
? Win2k support.


1. DEFINITIONS AND ACRONYMS

Well, the best definition I have been able to come up with is the following:

I) A "really hidden" file/folder is one that cannot be seen in Windows
Explorer after enabling it to "view all files," and cannot be seen in MS-DOS
after receiving a proper directory listing from root.

a) There is at least one loophole to enabling Windows Explorer to see them.
b) There is at least one loophole to enabling MS-DOS to see them.

(Interesting to note that the "Find: Files or Folders" utility cannot even
search through one of these folders. It doesn't even exist on the [Browse]
menu.)

II) Distinguishes "really hidden" file/folders from just plain +h[idden] ones,
such as your "MSDOS.SYS" or "Sysbckup" folder.

III) Distinguishes from certain "other" intended hidden files, such as a file
with a name with high ascii characters (eg, "???").

DOS = Disk Operating System
MSIE = Microsoft Internet Explorer
TIF = Temporary Internet Files (folder)
HD = Hard Drive
OS = Operating System


2. WHY SHOULD I ERASE THESE FILES?

Just from one of these files I would be able to tell you which web sites you
previously visited, what types of things you search for in search engines, and
probably gather your ethnicity, religion, and sexual preference. Needless to
say, one can build quite a profile on you from these files. It has the
potential to expose and humiliate -- putting your marriage, friendship, and
corporation at risk. Here's one good example of the forensic capabilities...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"I've been reading your article as I have a problem with an employee of mine.
He has been using the works pc for the internet and using it to chat and look
at porn sites. He was then deleting the cookies and history in order to cover
his tracks. A friend of mine pointed me in the direction of this site and
your article. I have found it to be incredibly useful,..."

--Concerned Boss, 8/24/01

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


3. HOW TO ERASE THE FILES ASAP

Step by step information on how to erase these files as soon as possible.
This section is recommended for the non-savvy. Further explanation can be
found in Section 4.0. Please note that following these next steps will erase
all your cache files and cookies files. If you use the offline content
feature with MSIE, it will remove this as well. It will not erase your
bookmarks.


3.1. IF YOU OWN A COPY OF MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER

1) Shut your computer down, and turn it back on.
2) While your computer is booting keep pressing the [F8] key until you are
given an option screen.
3) Choose "Command Prompt Only" This will take you to real DOS mode. ME
users must use a bootdisk to get into real DOS mode.
4) When your computer is done booting, you will have a C:\> followed by a
blinking cursor. Type in this hitting enter after each line (sans
parenthesis):

C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV (Loads smartdrive to speed things up.)
CD\
DELTREE/Y TEMP (this line removes temporary files.)
CD WINDOWS
DELTREE/Y COOKIES (This line removes cookies.)
DELTREE/Y TEMP (This removes temporary files.)
DELTREE/Y HISTORY (This line removes your browsing history.)
DELTREE/Y TEMPOR~1

(If this last line doesn't work then type this:)

CD\WINDOWS\APPLIC~1
DELTREE/Y TEMPOR~1

(If this doesn't work then type this:)

CD\WINDOWS\LOCALS~1
DELTREE/Y TEMPOR~1

(If this still does not work, and you are sure you are using MSIE5.x, then
please e-mail me. Finding the location of these may be difficult and I'd
certainly like to know where else MSIE likes to hide its cache. I believe
older versions of MSIE keep them under "\windows\content\".)

This last one will take a ridiculous amount of time to process. The reason it
takes so incredibly long is because there is a ton of semi-useless cache
stored on your HD.


3.2. CLEARING YOUR REGISTRY

It was once believed that the registry is the central database of Windows that
stores and maintains the OS configuration information. Well, this is wrong.
Apparently it also maintains a bunch of other doo-dah that has absolutely
nothing to do with the configuration. I won't get into the other stuff, but
for one, your Typed URLs are stored in the registry.

HKEY_USERS/Default/Software/Microsoft/Internet Explorer/TypedURLs/
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Microsoft/Internet Explorer/TypedURLs/

These "Typed URLs" come from MSIE's autocomplete feature. It records all URLs
that you've typed in manually in order to save you some time filling out the
address field. By typing "ama" the autocomplete feature might bring up
"amazon.com" for you. Although, I find it annoying, some people prefer this
feature. One thing is for sure, however -- it's an obvious privacy risk. You
wouldn't want a guest to type "ama" and have it autocomplete
"amaturemudwrestlers.com" now would you?

You can clear your Typed URLs out of your registry by doing going to Tools >
Internet Options > Content > [AutoComplete] > and finally [Clear Forms] under
MSIE. If you do not like the AutoComplete feature then uncheck the
appropriate boxes here.


3.3. IF YOU HAVE OUTLOOK OR OUTLOOK EXPRESS INSTALLED

Microsoft's e-mail clients DO NOT delete your messages until a) you really
know how, and b) you go through the redundant process. And besides this,
there's the glaring e-mail virus problems (in which virtually all other e-mail
client's are immune to.) This, alone, should be enough to want to strangle
Slick Willy -- as I like to call him.

My suggestion?

1) Install another e-mail program like Eudora or Pegasus Mail. Make sure
everything is setup correctly. (www.eudora.com / www.pmail.com)
2) Backup any e-mail and address books that you wish to save by making use of
the export/import features.
3) Uninstall Outlook.

Warning: Simply uninstalling Outlook does not erase any of your e-mail
correspondence. The database files are still there on your hard drive. To
find them open up a DOS window and type this:

dir *.mbx /s/p
The files you are looking for are:

INBOX.MBX
OUTBOX.MBX
SENTIT~1.MBX
DELETE~1.MBX
DRAFTS.MBX

If these files come up they should be listed in either of these folders:

C:\Windows\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook Express\Mail\
C:\Program Files\internet mail and news\%USER%\mail\

Now type either of the following (depending on the location of your .mbx
files...)

*Remember, this will erase all your e-mail correspondence so backup what you
want to keep. By now you should have already imported your mail into Eudora,
or Pegasus Mail.

CD\WINDOWS\APPLIC~1\MICROS~1\OUTLOO~1
DELTREE/Y MAIL

or

CD\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\%USER%

(replace "%user%" with the proper name.)

DELTREE/Y MAIL

If you have newer versions of Outlook or Outlook Express the databases are
*.dbx, or *.pst files. Five times as creepy as the *.mbx files. I recommend
that you take a look at them yourself.)


3.4. SLACK FILES

As you may already know, deleting files only deletes the references to them.
They are in fact still sitting there on your HD and can still be recovered by
a very motivated person.

? BCWipe is a nice program that will clear these files. (www.bcwipe.com).
? For you DOS buffs, there's a freeware file wiper on simtel.net that I use.
(www.simtel.net/pub/dl/45631.shtml).
? If you are using PGP then there is a "Freespace Wipe" option under PGPtools.
? The latest version of Norton Utilities has a nice filewiping utility.
? You might want to check out Evidence Eliminator's 30 day trial. This is
probably the best program as far as your privacy goes.
(www.evidence-eliminator.com)


3.5. KEEPING MICROSOFT'S PRODUCTS

If you insist on using Microsoft Internet Explorer then I strongly recommend
that you check out at least one of these programs:

? PurgeIE (www.aandrc.com/purgeie)
? Cache and Cookie Cleaner for IE (www.webroot.com/washie.htm)
? Anonymizer Window Washer (www.anonymizer.com/anonwash)

Other programs that claim to clear your history don't seem to work, although
I haven't run any tests in a while.

And if you insist on using Outlook or Outlook Express then you should get in
the habit of compacting your mailboxes.

You can do this by going to File > Folder > Compact All if you have Outlook
Express.

or

Tools > Options > Other tab > [Auto Archive] if you have Outlook. Make sure
to set things up here.


4. STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE THROUGH YOUR HIDDEN FILES

This next section is for those of you who are more interested in learning the
ins and outs of your computer. This section is intended for the savvy user.

The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat" files.
These are database files that reference your history, cache and cookies. The
first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that they don't
exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know about them
is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history and cache.

The result:

A log of your browsing history hidden away on your computer after you thought
you cleared it.

To view these files, follow these steps:

In MSIE 5.x, you can skip this first step by opening MSIE and going to Tools >
Internet Options > [Settings] > [View Files]. Now write down the names of
your alphanumeric folders on a peice of paper. If you can't see any
alphanumeric folder names then start with step 1 here:

1) First, drop to a DOS box and type this at prompt (in all lower-case) to
bring up Windows Explorer under the correct directory...

c:\windows\explorer /e,c:\windows\tempor~1\content.ie5\

You see all those alphanumeric names listed under "content.ie5?" (left-hand
side.) That's Microsoft's idea of making this project as hard as possible.
Actually, these are your alphanumeric folders that was created to keep your
cache. Write these names down on a peice of paper. (They should look
something like this: 6YQ2GSWF, QRM7KL3F, U7YHQKI4, 7YMZ516U, etc...) If you
click on any of the alphanumeric folders then nothing will be displayed. Not
because there aren't any files here, but because Windows Explorer has lied to
you. If you want to view the contents of these alphanumeric folders you will
have to do so in DOS. (Actually, this is not always true. *Sometimes*
Windows Explorer will display the contents of the alphanumeric folders -- but
mostly it won't. I can't explain this.)

2) Then you must restart in MS-DOS mode. (Start > Shutdown > Restart in
MS-DOS mode. ME users use a bootdisk.)

Note that you must restart to DOS because windows has locked down some of the
files and they can only be accessed in real DOS mode.

3) Type this in at prompt:

CD\WINDOWS\TEMPOR~1\CONTENT.IE5
CD %alphanumeric%
(replace the "%alphanumeric%" with the first name that you just wrote down.)

DIR/P

The cache files you are now looking at are directly responsible for the
mysterious erosion of HD space you may have been noticing. One thing
particularly interesting is the ability to view some your old e-mail if you
happen to have a hotmail account. (Oddly, I've only been able to retreive
hotmail e-mail, and not e-mail from my other web-based e-mail accounts. Send
me your experiences with this.) To see them for yourself you must first copy
them into another directory and then open them with your browser. Don't ask
me why this works.

A note about these files: These are your cache files that help speed up
your internet browsing. It is quite normal to use this cache system, as every
major browser does. On the other hand. It isn't normal for some cache files
to be left behined after you have instructed your browser to erase it.

5) Type this in:

CD\WINDOWS\TEMPOR~1\CONTENT.IE5
EDIT /75 INDEX.DAT

You will be brought to a blue screen with a bunch of binary.

6) Press and hold the [Page Down] button until you start seeing lists of URLs.
These are all the sites that you've ever visited as well as a brief
description of each. You'll notice it records everything you've searched for
in a search engine in plain text, in addition to the URL.

7) When you get done searching around you can go to File > Exit.

8) Next you'll probably want to erase these files by typing this:

C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV
CD\WINDOWS
DELTREE/Y TEMPOR~1

(replace "cd\windows" with the location of your TIF folder if different.)

This will take a seriously long time to process. Even with smartdrive loaded.

9) Then check out the contents of your History folder by typing this:

CD\WINDOWS\HISTORY\HISTORY.IE5
EDIT /75 INDEX.DAT

You will be brought to a blue screen with more binary.

10) Press and hold the [Page Down] button until you start seeing lists of URLS
again.

This is another database of the sites you've visited.

11) And if you're still with me type this:

CD\WINDOWS\HISTORY

12) If you see any mmXXXX.dat files here, then check them out (and delete
them.) Then...

CD\WINDOWS\HISTORY\HISTORY.IE5
CD MSHIST~1
EDIT /75 INDEX.DAT

More URLs from your internet history. Note, there are probably other mshist~x
folders here.

3) You can repeat these steps for every occurrence of a mshist~x folder.

4) By now you'll probably want to type in this:

CD\WINDOWS
DELTREE/Y HISTORY

This is about it as far as I know. You may also want to take a look at your
*.mbx files if you own Outlook. (dir *.mbx/s) All your e-mail correspondence
and file attachments are located within these database files. More detailed
information is covered in the next section.


5. A LOOK AT OUTLOOK EXPRESS

Would you think twice about what you said if you knew it was being recorded?
E-mail correspondence leaves a permanent record of everything you've said --
even after you've told Outlook Express to erase it. You are given a false
sense of security sense you've erased it twice, so surely it must be gone.
The first time Outlook simply moves it to your "Deleted Items" folder. The
second time you erase it Outlook simply "pretends" it is gone. The truth is
your messages are still being retained in the database files on your hard
drive. (Same with your e-mail attachments.)

For earlier versions of Outlook Express, they will be located in either of
the following folder:

c:\program files\internet mail and news\%user%\mail\*.mbx

(replace %user% with the name you use.)

or if your lucky, it will be located here:

c:\windows\application data\microsoft\outlook\mail\*.mbx

At this point you have two choices.

a) Get in the habit of compacting your folders all the time.
b) Import the data into another e-mail client such as Pegasus Mail or Eudora
and then delete the mbx files (and thus all your e-mail correspondence) by
typing this:

cd\windows\intern~1\%user%\mail
deltree/y mail

or

cd\windows\applic~1\micros~1\outloo~1\
deltree/y mail

*Typing in the above commands will kill all your e-mail correspondence. Do
not follow those steps in less you have already exported your e-mail and
address book!


6. HOW MICROSOFT DOES IT

TIP: Study this section if you would like to learn how to obscure your files
using Windows' own built-in mechanisms.

How does Microsoft make these folders/files invisible to DOS?

The only thing Microsoft had to do to make the folders/files invisible to a
directory listing is to set them +s[ystem]. That's it. As soon as the dir/s
command hits a system folder, it renders the command useless (unlike normal
folders.) A more detailed explanation is given in Section 7.

So how does Microsoft make these folders/files invisible to Windows Explorer?

The "desktop.ini" is a standard text file that can be added to any folder to
customize certain aspects of the folder's behavior. In these cases, Microsoft
utilized the desktop.ini file to make these files invisible. Invisible to
Windows Explorer and even to the "Find: Files or Folders" utility (so you
wouldn't be able to perform searches in these folders!) All that Microsoft
had to do was create a desktop.ini file with certain CLSID tags and the
folders would disappear like magic.

To show you exactly what's going on:

Found in the c:\windows\temporary internet files\desktop.ini and the
c:\windows\temporary internet files\content.ie5\desktop.ini contains this
text:

[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}

Found in the c:\windows\history\desktop.ini and the
c:\windows\history\history.ie5\desktop.ini contains this text:

[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}
CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000}

The UICLSID line cloaks the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line
disables the "Find" utility from searching through the folder. (Additionally,
it gives a folder the appearance of the "History" folder.)

To see for yourself, you can simply erase the desktop.ini files. You'll see
that it will instantly give Windows Explorer proper viewing functionality
again, and the "Find" utility proper searching capabilities again. Problem
solved right? Actually, no. As it turns out, the desktop.ini files get
reconstructed every single time you restart your computer. Nice one, Slick.

Luckily there is a workaround which will keep Windows from hiding these
folders. You can manually edit the desktop.ini's and remove everything except
for the "[.ShellClassInfo]" line. This will trick windows into thinking they
have still covered their tracks, and wininet won't think to reconstruct them.

I can't stress how rediculous it is that Windows actually makes sure the files
are hidden and in place on every single boot. No other files or folders get
this kind of special treatment. What's the agenda, here?


7. +S MEANS [S]ECRET NOT [S]YSTEM

Executing the "dir/a/s" command from root *should* be the correct command to
display all files in all subdirectories in DOS. However, doing so will not
display the index.dat files. This is because when DOS tries to get a list of
the subdirectories of any +s[ystem] folder it hits a brick wall. No files or
folders will be listed within any system folder. Not only does this defeat
the whole purpose of the "/s" switch in the first place, but I'd say it looks
like Microsoft took extra precautions to keep people from finding the files.
Remember. The only thing you need to do to obscure a file in DOS is to mark
the parent directory +s[ystem].

I was told by a few people that this was due to a very old DOS bug that dates
back many years. Fine. I can accept that. A bug it is.

But, would you consider your Temporary Internet Files to be "system files?"
It would seem that your TIF folder appears to be marked +s[ystem] for no good
reason at all. Just because. Same with your history folder. Just because.
You may not agree, but I tend to think that Microsoft marked the folders as
+s[ystem] solely to hide any directory recursal from DOS.

In case you didn't understand, here's a small experiment that will show you
what I mean...

Since the content.ie5 and history.ie5 subfolders are both located within a
+s[ystem] folder, we will run the experiment with them. The proper command to
locate them *should* be this:

CD\
DIR *.IE5 /as/s

The problem is that you will receive a "No files found" error message.

Since we already know there is a content.ie5 subfolder located here, why is
it giving me the "no files found" message?

But there is a way to get around this brick wall. That is, once you are
inside the system directory, then it no longer has an effect on the dir
listings. For example, if you enter the system folder first, and THEN try to
find any +s[ystem] directories you can see them just fine:

CD\WINDOWS\TEMPOR~1
DIR *.IE5 /as/s

1 folder(s) found.

Now you will get a "1 folder(s) found." message. (But only after you knew the
exact location.)

In other words, if you didn't know the files existed then finding them would
be almost impossible.

And, by the way. To see the "bug" in progress...

CD\
DIR *.IE5 /as/s

It will echo "no files found."

Now, just take away the system attributes from the parent directory...

CD\WINDOWS
ATTRIB -S TEMPOR~1

And retry the test...

CD\
DIR *.IE5 /as/s

It will echo "1 folder(s) found."


8. THE TRUTH ABOUT FIND FAST

Have you ever wondered what that "Find Fast" program was under your control
panel? Here's a hint: It has NOTHING to do with the "Find: Files or Folders"
utility located under the [Start] menu. Up until last month I honestly
thought it was completely useless, but it was finally adequately explained to
me...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"In any version of Word after 95, choose File Open and you'll get the Office
App Open dialog. Instead of just a space for the file name, there are text
boxes for file name, files of type, text or property & last modified. These
are search criteria you can use to find one or more files. There is also an
"Advanced" button that opens a dedicated search dialog with more options.
When you use either of these dialogs to perform a search, that search process
uses the indexes built by Find Fast."

--Oblivion

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That sure answered a lot. Now instead of a "completely useless resource hog,"
I realize Find Fast actually does serve some purpose.

But what would you say if I told you that Find Fast was scanning every single
file on your hard drive? Did you know that in Office 95, the Find Fast
Indexer had an "exclusion list" comprised of .exe, .swp, .dll and other
extensions, but the feature was eliminated? If you were a programmer would
you program Find Fast to index every single file, or just the ones with Office
extensions?

FYI: If you have ever had problems with scandisk or defrag restarting due to
disk writes, it is because Find Fast was indexing your hard drive in the
background. It loads every time you start your computer up.

Now here is a good example of the lengths Microsoft has gone through to keep
people from finding out Find Fast is constantly scanning and indexing their
hard drives. (Always good to have an alibi.) Here's a snippet taken from
microsoft.com:

"When you specify the type of documents to index in the Create Index dialog
box, Find Fast includes the document types that are listed in the following
table.

Document type File name extension
------------- -------------------

MS Office and Web Documents All the Microsoft Excel, Microsoft
PowerPoint, Microsoft
Project, and Microsoft Word document types
listed in this table. Microsoft Binder
(.odb, .obt) and Microsoft Access (.mdb)
files. Note that in .mdb files, only
document properties are indexed.

Word documents .doc (document),
.dot (template), .ht* (Hypertext Markup
Language document), .txt (text file), .rtf
(Rich Text Format) files, Excel workbooks
.xl* files

PowerPoint .ppt (presentation), .pot (template), .pps
(auto-running presentation) files

Microsoft Project files .mpp, .mpw, .mpt, .mpx, .mpd files

All files *.* files"


Did you get that last part? "All files?" Find Fast indexes Office Documents,
Web documents, Word Documents, Power Point files, Project files, and (oh I
forgot) EVERY SINGLE other file on your computer.

Actually, the good news is that this isn't neccessarily true. In another
statement, Microsoft claims that if Find Fast deems the file "unreadable" then
the file will not be included in the index. For example, your command.com
probably wouldn't get indexed because it doesn't have a lot of plain text --
mostly binary.

But, back to the bad news. Every single file that has legible text is going
to be included in the Find Fast database. Do you understand the implication
here? Well, if you don't, then maybe you should check out those Find Fast
database files -- because acording to Microsoft, ALL TEXT SAVED TO YOUR HARD
DRIVE IS INDEXED. Do you see the forensic capabilities now? And don't forget
"all text" also means previously visited webpages from your cache. See for
yourself...

1) Open up a DOS window and type...
2) CD\
3) DIR FF*.* /AH (This will bring up a list of the find fast databases.)
4) EDIT /75 %ff% (insert %ff% with any of the names that were listed.)

Notice the incredible amount of disk accesses to your cache and history
folders? Why do we need two indexes?


8.1. REMOVING THE FIND FAST PROGRAM

You can remove Find Fast using your Office CD, but I recommend you do it
manually...

1) Reboot your computer in MS-DOS Mode.
2) Delete the findfast.cpl file from c:\windows\system\
3) Delete the shortcut (.lnk) under c:\windows\start menu\programs\startup\
4) Delete the findfast.exe file from c:\progra~1\micros~1\office\
5) Delete the find fast databases in your root, by typing this:

cd\
deltree ff*.*

6) You can also safely delete FFNT.exe, FFSetup.dll, FFService.dll, and
FFast_bb.dll if you have them.

Feel free to check out the ffastlog.txt (which is the Find Fast error log).
It's a +h[idden] file under c:\windows\system\.


9. CONTACT INFO AND PGP BLOCKS

This tutorial is being updated all the time. If you have any useful input, or
if you see a mistake somewhere, then please e-mail me so I can compile it into
future versions. You will be able to find the most recent version of this
tutorial at fuckmicrosoft.com

My e-mail address is located at the end of this note. Please let me know
where you heard about this tutorial in your message. If you have something
important to say to me, then please use encryption. My public key blocks are
located below.

Thanks for reading,

-- The Riddler
Contact: theriddler@fuckmicrosoft.com

My PGP 2.6.2 Block:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: 2.6.2

mQCNAzu4wRAAAAEEAJnvaDDA9PydmZnnAmo80XZL57OycoCndppYyMv6CBMh+U35
NYtOxFfQiH8JhUN8uF3FgGBxckG0vBJ+RsYBIBXaP/JdxLX4qQnTsByyPEkoIomW
QCDfWXBMbFXxEKc1mrVTRmXpANpIjsj557qzW7dXxuvd5/E/bhviYkNfEe49AAUR
tAt0aGUgcmlkZGxlcg==
=B7ib
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

My GPG 1.0.6 Block:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32)

mQGhBDu3TSERBACO0Fx9pjMULe6qLQwOgfvdnQconLOMyftZdp9+ZX6t29ebJ/Z5
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AAYFAju3UOAACgkQ/bqXDRMV1MwVnACfaGrJRv2lgWHQbQWwv55t2cT+QWEAnA/n
ckswjlC9aNcBkcFl7X1SX8JX
=pFTK
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----


9.1. RECOMMENDED READING

And if you aren't already paranoid enough here's some sites/articles that I
definitely recommend:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18002.html
http://www.findarticles.com/m0CGN/3741/55695355/p1/article.jhtml
http://www.mobtown.org/news/archive/msg00492.html
http://194.159.40.109/05069801.htm
http://www.yarbles.demon.co.uk/mssniff.html
http://www.macintouch.com/o98security.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/3079.html
http://www.fsm.nl/ward/
http://slashdot.org
http://www.peacefire.org
http://stopcarnivore.org
http://nomorefakenews.com
http://grc.com/steve.htm#project-x


10. SPECIAL THANKS (and no thanks)

This version I want to give special thanks to Concerned Boss, Oblivion, and
the F-Prot virus scanner.

I also want to take this time to show my dissatisfaction to the New Zealand
Herald. Although partly flattering, it was more disgusting to see a
well-known newspaper try to take credit for my work.


11. REFERENCES

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q137/1/13.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q136/3/86.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q169/5/31.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q141/0/12.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q205/2/89.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q166/3/02.ASP
http://www.insecure.org/sploits/Internet.explorer.web.usage.logs.html
http://www.parascope.com/cgi-bin/psforum.pl/topic=matrix&disc=514&mmark=all
http://www.hackers.com/bulletin/
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/11/173257.shtml
http://peacefire.org

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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #430816 - 10/19/01 09:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Mr grandma's brother inlaw's aunt's sister's boss has a cracked version of Win XP beta. (yea, it had to be cracked to make it work past the time limit, ' rather complicated). XP is full of spyware. The beta allows ZoneAlarm's firewall to work, and let me tell you that almost everything that you do is being reported striaght to MicroSoft! Thats why they made the comercial product uncompatable with other firewalls. Of corse we can all feel secure useing MS's firewall! haha... not.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Jammer]
    #431223 - 10/20/01 07:10 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>Thats why they made the comercial product uncompatable with other firewalls.
Norton Firewall 2.5 works just fine with the XP final.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #431563 - 10/20/01 05:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks.

I've long known about the e-mail databases (mbx) that log all e-mails sent, deleted, etc.

If yu do delete this in DOS, make sure you repace it with a clean version or OE will not work anymore. I found this out the hard way a long time ago.

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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #431695 - 10/20/01 08:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Lana, instead of restarting into DOS, couldnt you just run command.com throught the run command?


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: 40oz]
    #432196 - 10/21/01 12:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm I don't think so? Only becuase you'd still have Windows running in the background. The instructions want you to restart in DOS so that Windows isn't running at all. Thats why there are alot of things you can't do from a DOS prompt. You need to be "in" DOS, not looking at it:)

Then again what do I know:) heeheehee

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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: PGF]
    #435460 - 10/24/01 04:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>If yu do delete this in DOS, make sure you repace it with a clean version or OE will not work anymore. I found this out the hard way a long time ago.<

how would one go about replacing this file w/ a clean version?
-this is all new to me, but I want to learn.

Also, it seems to me that someone w/ some programming skills could write a simple program that would do all of this for you, then you could just run the program once in a while... although I'm not a programmer myself, so I really don't know.

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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #435805 - 10/24/01 09:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm, none of this seems to be a problem in windows 2000. There are hidden files you cannot see by clicking on 'My Computer' but they show in in windows explorer if you chose the 'show hiden files option'. I dont think findfast is anything to be paranoid about. It is a utility to enable you to serach your hardrive quickly. It does hog the processor sometimes, but can be disabled in win2k. I think this is more a case of microsoft trying to stop inexperienced users from messing up their system files than any attempt at spying. There is no way the could handle so much data from so many users.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #447286 - 11/05/01 01:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You *CANNOT* just run command.com through windows. MS-DOS = MicroSoft Disk Operating System. So in essence, you might as well be using windows' file explorer.

Thanks to Lana for trying to explain, but you didn't quite say it right.

If windows is your OS, it's never really running in the background. The file explorers in windows are the programs which are programmed to specifically not show everything. This also applies to MS-DOS. You need to be in what the text refers to as 'true DOS', not the emulation of DOS.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: Lana]
    #447296 - 11/05/01 01:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, you'll notice IE has a feature called history which lets you visit past sights. Thats why logs are kept, to build a history.

Also, files you visit are cached so you can revisit them without waiting for a download. Hence, you'll see cache files tracking places you've visited and matching that to cached files.

If IE is running, you cannot erase the index because it has them open and is using them. Running just MSdos ensures they're not locked.

These are files are not the result of a Microsoft conspiracy. Get less paranoid.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: djfrog]
    #447305 - 11/05/01 02:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, I wrote this long and elaborate post...but my browser fucked up sending it...

to MM. :
First of all, the files that are there are not that way to protect inexperienced users from deleting system files. URL's and E-mail messages are not system files. It doesn't matter what anyone believes about a 'microsoft conspiracy'. The fact is, this information is all gathered in a few spots that can be easily be accessed by anyone who knows what they are doing.

In response to djfrog:
Most browsers have a history and a cache. IE's history is *NEVER* deleted when using the command from inside the program, and these files are completely inaccessible from windows. I don't see how you can pass this off as a file access problem.

to everyone:
I don't think there's any argument that plainly and simply, there are people out there you want your privacy from. Do you like the fact that anyone could gain your URL history since you last installed windows? You are reading/posting to the shroomery, what if the DEA had this info from your computer and could use it to strengthen a case against you or even bring further charges? Have you done anything illegal using your computer? If so, odds are that you don't want anyone with access to your computer, let alone the FBI or any other government agency to have easy access to this info.

It's all about privacy of your data, and the ability to get rid of it.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: absolute zero]
    #451532 - 11/08/01 11:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hmm... you're afraid of the caches of browsers and mail gui's? *lol* of course i would just think about this:

do you really think int "System Volume Information" - dir are only Sys Size info's? yep, think it? oh oh - and why there exists simple API calls to get the size and stuff from win.... without accessing this dir.
you cann't see it? of course - go and get Z-Up Maker and simulate to make a setup file, and then you'll see @ a point of the config.
nevermind, security was always a dream... .

what me makes a little nervous is the fact of a backdoor in the PGP system... created for the FBI (or NSA - who knows)... .


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    #452751 - 11/09/01 01:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oh i dont doubt microsoft's motives. They tried to include a facility in win95 to report installed software but withdrew it at the last minute because it was deemed unacceptable. I expect they would be more circumspect about doing it overtly for the proceeding OS's.

System Volume Information contains the tracking.log file which enables applications to track changes made to the NTFS filing system..I am about to get a new HD anyway so i will try playing around with it....but yes, security is a dream... PGP, Hushmail, Safweb.. they might prevent some people from accessing your data but not the government. If they want the data bad enough they will use key logging or sit down the road in a detector van recording your monitor output. A solution is not to have anything they might be interested in on your computer at all.


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    #456819 - 11/13/01 10:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #738284 - 07/11/02 06:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well.. before anyone new reads this, let me clear things up, first off this is a super old post.

second, they are not "super" hidden by any means, they are refered to as sysyem folders and your average user dosnt need to be poking around in. They are keeping this to turn you in, it is called a CACHE, it speeds up your browsing by keeping things like pictures text and such. When you want to view a page your browser looks at its cache displays it UNLESS the other page is newer. You can keep a clear cahce if you want to but, if you do your wasting bandwidth for everyone else.

E-mail: These are your saved folders, if youve saved your e-mail and then delete all these mbx files, youve just toasted all your saved mail as well. Once you delete mail it goes to a file called deleted mail, you have to delete it from there again to be rid of it.

But data can be pulled off of a hard drive no matter how many times its been written over if whoever is trying to get the data really wants.

Lana: as mod of the security fourm i would suggest you do a little more research before posting such "scare" articles, ive read more then a few of your posts of blantent mis-information. Granted this is a REALLY old post, but still just a little research would have shown that whats going on isnt some MS conspiracy, as much as we'd all like it to be.....


edit: Reply was made while looking at the who's online and seeing someone veiwing this post.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: synic]
    #739491 - 07/11/02 03:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

while *nix is a viable solution, its still way to far from an everyday user desktop.

Average_Joe would rather have his software installed and working with it in 10min instead of the hassle of linux... (just one of many many examples of how your EVERYDAY user should not have *nix as their desktop OS) although it has gotten A LOT better in the past couple months, its still too much work for your average joe.


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    #739521 - 07/11/02 03:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"
In response to djfrog:
Most browsers have a history and a cache. IE's history is *NEVER* deleted when using the command from inside the program, and these files are completely inaccessible from windows. I don't see how you can pass this off as a file access problem.
"

When you're running an app that runs IE's http code (which includes IE heh) those apps have a reference on the files that protects them from being accessed by outsiders, messing up the applications state. This is pretty typical, an app has to go out of its way to share files so others can access them simultaneously and in the case of the cache that wouldn't be appropriate because you'd have all sorts of corruptions if it was modified in a non-synchronized manner.

I'd go into more detail but I've sign non-disclosure agreements.

The paranoia around this is as much Microsoft's fault for not addressing the issue head on and providing a way for people to purge the cache. The way I do it is to create a separate user account with admin access, then as that separate user I purge the original user's cached files by hand. Its a pain in the butt really and I rarely bother. On win9x systems this may not work if you are using a shared cache across accounts, but then you can still boot to dos I think and do it.


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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: windex]
    #739617 - 07/11/02 04:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hello Windex,
First off...WOW, this is an old post

Secondly, I take offense to you saying that I post "blantent mis-information" PLEASE post a link to any thread in which I have posted wrong information.

As far as posting what you consider "scare" articles, I and a few others who are too paranoid for our own good look at them as helpful. Now if you don't mind that your operating system (Windows XP) can automatically send "error reports" unless disabled, then have fun!

But being paranoid or security minded makes me think "How many other O/S's so often want information from their users?

The one thing we probably both agree on is the use of a linux distro...but like you said, the average Joe or Jane may not be up for it.

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Re: Microsoft's Really Hidden Files. [Re: windex]
    #739624 - 07/11/02 04:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

And another thing, where in my post do I say that the files are "super" hidden? Hmmmmm let me see....

"Hi,
This is a long ...very long article about how Microsoft hides files (usually log files of sites and emails that you've sent out to people) and a few other interesting things.... So if you have a few minutes to kill, go read:)

Au revoir!
Lana"

Nope, don't see any mention of it

Maybe the author of the article is where the problem lies?

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