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The Gospel of Judas
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For those of you interested in reading the freshly translated Gospel of Judas...

http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_pdf/GospelofJudas.pdf

Below is an editorial on it (click the second link for the full article)

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'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years

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Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html (read more)




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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Basilides]
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Wow, very interesting ! Thanks !


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (04/07/06 06:23 AM)

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Beware of deception

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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From Basilides' link:

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Terry Garcia, an executive vice president of the geographic society, said the manuscript, or codex, is considered by scholars and scientists to be the most significant ancient, nonbiblical text to be found in the past 60 years.

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature," Mr. Garcia said, citing extensive tests of radiocarbon dating, ink analysis and multispectral imaging and studies of the script and linguistic style. The ink, for example, was consistent with ink of that era, and there was no evidence of multiple rewriting.

"This is absolutely typical of ancient Coptic manuscripts," said Stephen Emmel, professor of Coptic studies at the University of Munster in Germany. "I am completely convinced."
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Hehe, but perhaps it was faked 300 a.d.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: BlueCoyote]
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This is a joke right...

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: danliten]
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Really ? How do you come to this conclusion ?


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Beware of deception


Beware of close-mindedness and dogmatism.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Silversoul]
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God told me.

I have given my life to him.

I believe his words.

He is the bringer of truth in the midst of lies.

Beware of the Evil one for he is the MASTER of deception who will deceive even the most learned and the most wise.

For those of you that haven't read the New Testament, read it, and if you have read it,read it again, from Matthew through revelations.

God speaks through his words.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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You think you're the only one who God talks to? I've had personal experience of gnosis, as have others in this forum. The four gospels that were included in the New Testament are by no means the only legitimate accounts of Jesus, and much wisdom is to gained by reading the apocrypha. If you are serious about knowing about your Lord and Savior, try reading the Gospel of Thomas, or the Gospel of Phillip, or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. That is, if your fragile ego can handle it.

Oh, and words are one of the lowest forms of communication with God. Gnosis is the highest.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
That is, if your fragile ego can handle it.



That quote doesn't sound like someone who talks to God.

For it is written you shall love thy neighbor as yourself. Those words don't sound like words of love to me.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Paradigm said:
That is, if your fragile ego can handle it.



That quote doesn't sound like someone who talks to God.

For it is written you shall love thy neighbor as yourself. Those words don't sound like words of love to me.


When Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites, did he not still love them? I'm simply trying to help.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Basilides]
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Wow. What an amazing act of faith by Judas, I am humbled.


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I have considered such matters.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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And for yourself, if you haven't bothered to learn under what circumstances the canonical New Testament was compiled, I recommend that YOU read Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes by Rev. John Shelby Spong. God 'speaks' through every moment of creation since God's 'Word' is the Logos - the infrastructure of creation.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Beware of deception


Then beware of all religions.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: theuser]
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beware of the beast

who makes war with the saints.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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beware of the fearmongers

who attempt to mold others' beliefs with myths of demons and hellfire


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I am very interested about the saying of Jesus "For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.", especially if one would consider gnostic influence in it.
Markos, isn't that exactly that concept what you can not give any value to ? But I would not see it so exclusively, like to 'uncover g*d'. I would see it more general, as to 'uncover' ones true, spiritual being, behind the material and physical flesh of the body (what also reflects back on the materialists mind).
Interesting, that this concept shows up in that gospel.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: BlueCoyote]
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As a side point:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1545

Click on PLAY THIS GAME for an interesting perspective.


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No question is so difficult to answer as that to which the answer is obvious.

Meow.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MycoCat]
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And to base your faith on what a group of men arbitrarily decided was the word of God hundreds of years after Jesus' death doesn't make much sense, don't you think?


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No question is so difficult to answer as that to which the answer is obvious.

Meow.

Edited by MycoCat (04/07/06 07:36 PM)

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Hey, just because an ancient writing is uncovered doesn't mean that there is any real spiritual value to it. I collect apocryphal and pseudepigraphal books and I have seen some truly bogus writings. This evaluation comes not only from me but from professors of New Testament studies at my former seminary at Drew University. I mean, there was a lunatic fringe throughout history, and sometimes lunatics confuse profound truths with complete absurdity.

Here there is suggestion from Barbelo Gnostics, but again just because of name-droppers and jargon doesn't mean that we have a valuable piece. In fact this piece of writing suggests sinister, homoerotic and homicidal elements to what end? Ancient titillation? Shoot, read the Carpocratians if you want sexual perversity in the guize of Gnostic mysteries. We must not trust everything that pops up from the depths of times past, and we must be careful not to project our own meanings upon them.

Peace.

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