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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MycoCat]
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Better than words of people some thousand years after, telling me something about him.
At least that could bring us nearer to understanding of that "concept", that arose in some former times.

And it gives some 'complimentary' view of the Judas figure. It rips away the 'total evilness' from Judas, for a valuable side-view.
Everyone still asks:"If God is almighty, why he does this and that and why would he sacrifice his 'best man' ?"

Here you will come one step nearer to that answer.


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Yes, I know the (classic) Apocryphas as well and I am carefully filtering them, no worry :smile:

But it is funny, that this document is relatively 'fresh', if we consider that the first writings about Jesus started quite a while after his death.
I like the ancient context, in what it may be embedded, and I like the 'alternative' view upon Judas, if God is the almighty, who lets his 'best man' die...out of his plan. Judas was only a known part of this plan. That is one part, what I like, because it clarifies some twist, I think.

Also, the part with the 'man (body) who clothes him (Jesus)' [in context to his physical death] I think is a nice picture, to point out to some materialistic views in contrast to the spirit.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (04/07/06 09:00 PM)

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
If you are serious about knowing about your Lord and Savior, try reading the Gospel of Thomas, or the Gospel of Phillip, or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. That is, if your fragile ego can handle it.

Oh, and words are one of the lowest forms of communication with God. Gnosis is the highest.


Sorry Paradigm if I gave you the wrong impression. I only mentioned Reading the New Testament as one example of finding God, and what isn't in it, God will tell you what you need to know anyways.

I am not saying the books you mentioned are not the word of God. I know the higher prayer you are talking about that is better than words, God showed me it.

04/08/06 When I posted this I knew almost nothing about the Gnostic texts, since then God has told me where they really come from, as you can see on here the fruits from those reading those texts are different from those reading God's texts. I pray God will forgive me, & all of you.

I am not denying you are speaking to God either Paradigm, but I sense Pride in you. I know, God reminds me to get rid of my Pride. It is a sin that can lead to spiritual death.

Edited by Demotriton (04/08/06 08:59 AM)

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
I am not denying you are speaking to God either Paradigm, but I sense Pride in you. I know, God reminds me to get rid of my Pride. It is a sin that can lead to spiritual death.


Please clarify. "Pride" has multiple definitions. Having a sense of one's value, self-respect, certainly isn't a negative trait for one to hold. :wink:

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For I've never known completeness
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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: fireworks_god]
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God gives me respect, I glorify God. I don't need self respect. Pride can be hidden in many shapes & forms.

Edited by Demotriton (04/08/06 08:54 AM)

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Demotriton]
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beware yourself, for your strong image of god will end up being your largest hurdle.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: kotik]
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"I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God - I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is FUCKED up. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago."

"Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever ?til the end of time...but he loves you. And he needs money."

"I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to "God" are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."

"Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. ?Do this? ?Gimme that? ?I want a new car? ?I want a better job?. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago God made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in God's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? ?Well it's God's will. God's will be done.? Fine, but if it Gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?"

"Religion is sort of like a lift in your shoes. If it makes you feel better, fine. Just don't ask me to wear your shoes."

-George Carlin


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MycoCat]
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this is where most of the problems with western religion come up. eastern religion tends to make more sense of the "evils" of the world that you mention


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Basilides]
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It appears to be a Gnostic text. There's probably some Gematria in there too.


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: MycoCat]
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"I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons."

Carlin is cool. In mythological terms, Jesus IS the Sun. Born on the first day of the astrological new year, just below the three stars of Orion's belt. There's more to it than that, but much of the Jesus mythology was borrowed IMO from other myths of sun worship.

A question I presented to my religion professor: Since God knows everything that is and will be, and God created Satan, wouldn't God have known Satan would rebel? And if God knew Satan would rebel, wouldn't that mean God created Satan with the express purpose of having Satan rebel? So if God purposfully created Satan to rebel and be evil, isn't God the root source of evil?

He wasn't amused.

Rahz


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Basilides]
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dude.. I am watching this now. on Discovery! :smile:

funny shit!

..right up where you find me! :laugh:


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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Gomp]
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Worshipping the sun is probably the most reasonable act we could partake in, as far as religion is concerned. The Sun is the reason life exists. We are the result of a great system that harnesses the Sun's energy and passes it along to us, so that, thus, we can exist to worship the Sun! :smirk:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: The Gospel of Judas [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
In mythological terms, Jesus IS the Sun.


Hehehe...I remember I once saw a church sign that said "Exposure to the Son may prevent burning."


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