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Jesus Christ is the False Messiah
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What kind of feeling did that subject give you? I'm not proclaiming it to be true, but I want to get some views on the subject. Does Judaism have a case? Is Christianity really a misleading religion? I'm slowly coming to a conclusion, though still far from any, that maybe Christ wasn't really the Son of God and that Jews have it 'right'. Both religions believe in the same God, just the difference is Christ.

I think it is a very interesting predicament; Christianity and Judaism.


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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I mean, why were Jewish people the target of Hitler, a supposed anti-'Christ'.


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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The Jews missed the boat. They were expecting a political messiah, and when the metaphysical messiah showed up, they did not recognize him.  :shrug:

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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I do believe Jesus was an Avatar. Any Jew who considers his words to be silly or ignores them simply because he doesn't fit in with their belief system really needs to think about his beliefs. On the other hand, Christians who believe that Jesus was the one and only Avatar and worship his fucking personality also REALLY need to reconsider their beliefs.


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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I recommend this book highly! The title is deceptive but they footnote and reference extensively. It blew me away!

The original Christianity was a doctrinally non-unified collection of beliefs which began to give rise to numerous 'gospels.' Many of these recently discovered gospels embody Wisdom that any experienced entheogen-taker would immediately recognize. The spirituality embodied in BE HERE NOW partakes of this perennial Wisdom, which is to say, Gnostic Wisdom. It was only by the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Church under Emperor Constantine (himself not a Christian but a Mithras-worshiper) that the canonical Bible was comprised of the existing books and the others burned! The Bible that came to be was designed for the most humble, literalist mind, and thus Literalist (Fundamentalist) Christianity became the 'catholic' or 'orthodox' doctrine. Moreover, the very doctrine itself became idolatized such that anyone believing in alternate interpretations were considered heretics. Heretics were excommunicated from the Church (which meant according to the orthodox doctrine that one was automatically damned to Hell by God). If this spiritual punishment weren't sufficient, the Church began to torture people to death for heresy, and if THIS wasn't enough, persecutions, witch hunts (for Pagans), crusades (against Jews and later Muslims) and general paranoia came to characterize the religion that was supposed to be centered on gentle Jesus.

Fortunately, there has been a resurgence of the original Christianity which was 'Experiential' in nature and Gnostic in approach (as opposed to Literalist). Except perhaps for hired stooges like Eusebius and Iraeneus, such early Church Fathers as Origen and Clement of Alexandria supported the Gnostic ideals. Clement, incidentally, discovered that the author Mark had written not one but three Gospels! A letter of Clement's was discovered by a theologian in the 20th century which attested to this. It was photographed and then the original disappeared (like all the other Gnostic documents which threatened the power structure and control by church doctrine and its guardians). Each Gospel addressed the different levels of Christian sophistication: Psychic, Pneumatic and Gnostic (there is no help for the Hylics [materialists]).

THE WORLD HAS BEEN LABORING UNDER LIES FOR CENTURIES! THERE ARE GOOD REASONS WHY CHRISTIANITY HASN"T BEEN WORKING AS IT SHOULD!

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (02/15/06 05:50 AM)

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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i dunno.

The Christian movement in America is "anti-Christ" in nature and I think the way American-Christians (brainwashed war mongering fundies that want to bring us into the dark ages, that don't LOVE anything at all and are controlling the government) are is definitely anti-Christ and false messiah potential.

I dunno about Jesus himself.

I think the whole conversion through hell fire preaching is bullshit too.

But really I think religions are opiates, for when you die you can just believe in your dogma and it makes things so much easier for you, so as long as you use your religion properly its fine no matter what it is and it might help you ascend.

I myself like Buddhism because it helps you ascend right now and sort of seems to be a "how-to manual" whereas a lot of other religions kind of just rely strictly on faith and stress that you aren't particularly important.

But we all have Buddha/Christ/etc nature and can all be like Christ preportedly was according to the Buddhists, and that is what you strive to. It is because our egos are hollow and on the inside we are all the same that we can tune into Christ-consciousness, stream consciousness, etc, and become boddhisattvas....... human bodies are just vessels if you wipe your karma clean....

so I dunno. I believe in the possibility of Jesus being real but I'm unsure about it.


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Edited by leery11 (02/14/06 06:52 PM)

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: leery11]
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I think Jesus was an avatar. he's just as important as Siddhartha Gautama or Mahatma Gandhi or Lao Tzu. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but must understand his being brought millions of people salvation and happiness. And that, my friends, is a wonderful thing.

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: lysergicide]
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How can you ever "understand" anything like that?
It requires a huge leap of blind faith.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I recommend this book highly! The title is deceptive but they footnote and reference extensively. It blew me away!


I was wondering: Do you agree with their assertion that the historical Jesus did not actually exist? I kind of had trouble with that.


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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Anyway, back on topic: It is of no concern to me whether or not Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, because I am not Jewish. What I do know is that I had a direct experience of Christ consciousness. I know that Christ is very real for me, and I do believe that Jesus was the Christ(anointed one).


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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Jews feel that Jesus didn't fulfill all the validating prophecies, Christians disagree.  :confused:

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: NerdleWombanger]
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I guess I should have stuck to my belief of every religion being about the same God. :laugh:


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: NerdleWombanger]
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NerdleWombanger said:
Jews feel that Jesus didn't fulfill all the validating prophecies, Christians disagree.  :confused:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: Silversoul]
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Sir, please get that red bird outta here.
Just because some Jews feel Jesus fulfilled the prophecies doesn't mean mainstream Judaism does.

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: NerdleWombanger]
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Your point being...


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: Silversoul]
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The point is: nobody cares bout some stinkin Messyantic Jews.

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: NerdleWombanger]
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And why should I care about mainstream Jews?


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: Silversoul]
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To avoid appearing like a Nazi sympathizer.

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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: WScott]
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Jesus was an alien, like me.


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Re: Jesus Christ is the False Messiah [Re: NerdleWombanger]
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NerdleWombanger said:
To avoid appearing like a Nazi sympathizer.


The Nazis didn't care whether Jews were mainstream or not. They saw Jews as a race, not a religion.


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