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Christians
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Please answer these questions for me:

Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?


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R.I.P Rod Beck

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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Think all the christians fled, their seems to be a heavy anti christian vibe here. Anyhow I'll toss you some common answers

I believe in the Christian god as he is the only true one and only god.

Dinosaur fossils were put here by satan (fundamentalist doctrines).

Yes, of course he was testing our faith satan does that, yet god embraces us by giving us the option to escape from said situations.

Your not forced to believe, but of course heaven won't be afforded to you.

Our god does love infinitely, he loves you too, you need only to open your heart to him.

:tongue:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Christians [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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well remember what Jesus said

damn the scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, they do not go inward nor do they allow others to go in.

Now Buddha said the same thing, he said his teaching was a dangerous snake, to be handled with supreme care. He also said that one has no use for a raft when they reach the shore and it must be discarded.

The thing is, the Christian religion does not commonly teach others that they can become Christ. "be ye therefore perfect" they are dogmatic. So if Jesus were around today he would destroy what American calls Christianity but he wouldn't necessarily destroy the notions that his symbol stood for.

Remember the Good Friday study ? Leary dosing religious scholars? I think it was the first time many of them actually SAW God. Thich Nhat Hanh instructed some various faiths in meditation and afterwards they expressed that there really is so much more to God than what words convey, as if they had never even strayed out of the logical dogmatic brain before.

What we see in this nation is super literal childlike thinking around a very dogmatic set of texts. This is what Jesus lamented in his days, if you ask me.

I am an authority, but I would say "Think for yourself, question authority" can sum up his message pretty well.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
Please answer these questions for me:

Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?


Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.

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Re: Christians [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
robbyberto said:
Please answer these questions for me:

Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?


Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.



:talkingtowall:

we all ask questions and you give us a 'textbook' or 'bible' answer.  Give us your unbias answer.  As in the step by step process that you think and feel and maybe JUST MAYBE will we get somewhere. 

Otherwise we will continue these one way arguments and nobody will get anywhere.  This answer that I quoted by you expresses your inability to form a response.  By either thinking we won't understand or you just not knowning enough to refute our claims.  Honestly, if we get you fired up then that's your problem and your insecurity.

There's a lot of people here that have the beliefs they have due to real life experiences either with or without much knowledge of the bible.  If you can't agree with anyone other than your bias self then, honestly, what're you trying to prove? The whole bible/christianity is very trivial but a lot of people have had amazing experiences in life and don't tag the name Jesus or God.  You could discredit them and makeup something to fit these scenarios, but without your bias, fairy-tale reasoning, you have no truth. 

You are like someone who values a dead tree.  The tree will fall and you've grown with it so you don't want to let it go.  You decide to put wooden stakes up to prevent harsh winds from bringing it down, douse it in pesticides and fungicides to prevent its decay.  I guess you could go so far as to gloss this tree, but that would just preserve it's superficial presence.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

Edited by Cracka_X (06/11/07 05:50 PM)

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Re: Christians [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
robbyberto said:
Please answer these questions for me:

Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?


Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.


I never said I was an anti-Christian. I guess it all seems so ridiculous to me, but I find your faith intriguing. Religion just seems so archaic and pointless now. Religion has done some good but on the whole it only leads to more conflict and suffering. Getting mad at what I said, even though it was said somewhat mockingly, only validates it. I would like to see your rebuttal instead of the whole non-believer automatic hate response.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

Edited by robbyberto (06/11/07 06:16 PM)

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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How many threads are you gonna make about how stupid you feel christians are?


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"Fear makes the wolf look bigger"

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Re: Christians [Re: jenns_hot]
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nevermind, i guess i was thinking you had made more. but i've seen you post about christianity on others, and it just kind of seems immature to make threads like this.

i dont believe in christianity or any other religion, but understnad what makes people and accept it. i dont feel a need to try to argue with it.


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"Fear makes the wolf look bigger"

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Re: Christians [Re: jenns_hot]
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I think this is the second thread I have ever made about Christianity specifically.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

Edited by robbyberto (06/11/07 06:42 PM)

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion


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"Fear makes the wolf look bigger"

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Re: Christians [Re: jenns_hot]
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I think we're allowed to have as many curiosities as possible as well as making them public.
Also I don't see this act as being futile because there's always a probability to actually change something or maybe just clear some misunderstandings.
I don't really understand why you're so bothered by this thread.

Edit: if one opens a thread about murder for example, you can say the same thing: why don't you just accept that there will always be people who kill and there's nothing you can do about it so the best thing you could do is accept it. Well it's not like that. If one disagrees something one should speak up and try to understand and analyze the issue as much as possible (which also implies asking opinions from different people in order to facilitate a better and more complex understanding).


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Edited by MushroomTrip (06/11/07 07:02 PM)

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Re: Christians [Re: jenns_hot]
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jenns_hot said:
i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion


I just cant wrap my head around it.
Take your normal Christian man. He is born in a country where the majority of people are also Christians. His parents tell him about Jesus and God and believes every bit of it. Is it possible that he believes in a Christianity just because everyone else around him believes it? Just following the herd. Chances are if that man was born in Iraq he would be a Muslim and accept the Koran as absolute truth. The man doesn't read about other religions, he just follows everyone else. That only invalidates it all for me.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

Edited by robbyberto (06/11/07 07:20 PM)

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.


Being Human lends itself to everything ultimately being subjective and therefore irrational from your point of view. He wants humans to belive in him, its a test of faith, the bible doesn't give a why it merely stipulates that he allows this temptation through the use of letting those elements that cause temptations and tests of faith to exist. Their are more then two options depending on your faith, their also exists a so called limbo (catholicism google christianity limbo for more info).

This is betterr for the p&s forulm tbh, as your attempting to debate in some regard this forum is merely for making statements, well more or less.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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evolution... dinosaurs... common ancestry among primates (& eventually all earth-life)
universal beginings with so-called "big-bang...
not all christians are bible-thumping fundies...
why do you assume that folks who consider themselves to be christian automatically reject evolution?
sheesh...

shalom...


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old enough to know better
not old enough to care

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Re: Christians [Re: gnrm23]
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gnrm23 said:
evolution... dinosaurs... common ancestry among primates (& eventually all earth-life)
universal beginings with so-called "big-bang...
not all christians are bible-thumping fundies...
why do you assume that folks who consider themselves to be christian automatically reject evolution?
sheesh...

shalom...


I never said any of that actually.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

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Re: Christians [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
robbyberto said:
Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.


Being Human lends itself to everything ultimately being subjective and therefore irrational from your point of view. He wants humans to belive in him, its a test of faith, the bible doesn't give a why it merely stipulates that he allows this temptation through the use of letting those elements that cause temptations and tests of faith to exist. Their are more then two options depending on your faith, their also exists a so called limbo (catholicism google christianity limbo for more info).

This is betterr for the p&s forulm tbh, as your attempting to debate in some regard this forum is merely for making statements, well more or less.


So your saying whatever you believe is what will happen to you when you die? I know what limbo is and recently the Catholic church officially renounced it.


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R.I.P Rod Beck

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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You made it implicitly through questioning dinosaurs which brings it up as an issue which it would be if you weren't talking about the fundies. So this topic is kinda reserved for them.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
jenns_hot said:
i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion


I just cant wrap my head around it.
Take your normal Christian man. He is born in a country where the majority of people are also Christians. His parents tell him about Jesus and God and believes every bit of it. Is it possible that he believes in a Christianity just because everyone else around him believes it? Just following the herd. Chances are if that man was born in Iraq he would be a Muslim and accept the Koran as absolute truth. The man doesn't read about other religions, he just follows everyone else. That only invalidates it all for me.


My experience was completely opposite. I was raised without any religion at all, never went to any church, ever. I was the agnostic atheist’s atheist, thought Christians were foolish and deluded. My philosophy of life was basically try to treat others and you would like to be treated. Also live a hedonistic existence as much as possible, why not, after all when you die you die.

Then at 35 the truth of the gospel was shown to me. If anyone would have said I would eventually become a Christian I would have told them that is impossible and will never happen. When God wants to save someone He will bring it to pass, no matter what!

The churches today are not bringing the true gospel, but a counterfeit. Even though they are false, God will deliver His people no matter what.

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Re: Christians [Re: robbyberto]
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No I'm not saying that, I'm merely arguing the christian side that deem fit to criticize.That belief is ludicrous from a christian perspective as a version of heaven is dictated through the bible however it varies by interpretation.

Well limbo did exist for a time anyhow so all those that held the belief made that inclusive of their doctrine, it was as real as heaven and hell were as a result of conception.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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