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Why do shrooms make psilocybin?
    #519340 - 01/13/02 01:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone heard any good ideas why psilocybin is made by plants? Is it really just for our benefit?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321] * 1
    #519348 - 01/13/02 01:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

it is probably made as a poison to deterr animals from eating the it. if so i don't think it worked out all that well.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Odd_Snail]
    #519387 - 01/13/02 02:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

LoL


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519393 - 01/13/02 02:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

mushrooms arent plants
and it could be a poisen of sorts, to discourage animals from eating them
on the other hand, it could also be there so that we will continue cultivating them


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Lallafa]
    #519397 - 01/13/02 02:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Lal, the poison theory sounds like a load.

Mankind has cultivated mushrooms for around 25 years. I don't think that's long enough for them to adapt do you?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321] * 1
    #519403 - 01/13/02 02:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

They make it for the Smurfs. Duh.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321] * 1
    #519405 - 01/13/02 02:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

i dont know, and neither does anyone else.
what are we supposed to do, ask the mushrooms?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Murple]
    #519409 - 01/13/02 02:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well I'm getting some shit today i must say.

Please note, I said "good" ideas. Every fuckwit on earth knows the load of horseshit about "it's so animals don't eat them".

Lal, just because you don't know doesn't mean no-one else does.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519424 - 01/13/02 02:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

"Lal, just because you don't know doesn't mean no-one else does."

no one knows for sure
we can throw theorys around all day, but none of them can be proven



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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Lallafa]
    #519446 - 01/13/02 03:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Don't worry about the proof people. Just throw a few ideas around.

As long as it's not the one about animals eating them.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519467 - 01/13/02 03:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

It's a total evolutionary accident? That's the only thing it could be besides to deter animals or to attract animals or as a message from the other side


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519499 - 01/13/02 03:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

> Don't worry about the proof people. Just throw a few ideas around.
> As long as it's not the one about animals eating them.

If you wanted people to make up meaningless bullshit, you should've just said so.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Murple]
    #519510 - 01/13/02 04:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Nah I didn't say throw around meaningless bullshit (tho that's basically what the forum is about anyway) I said if you'd heard any good reasons why, put em down without worrying about too much proof.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519561 - 01/13/02 05:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry Alex but even though you think the poison theory is a wash it seems the most logical to me.

If mamals and other critters in the forest were constantly foraging on these it would make it much harder for them to reproduce so maybe they evolved to protect themselves from that kind of fate.

Just imagine a little black bear or something that just ate a shit load of cubenis and then layed down for a nice summer nap.
Within a half hour that would be one terrified animal. I bet its safe to say it wouldn't ever eat those again if not run away from them every time it seen them.

I'm sure there are others here that might have more scientific, educated theories but this one just makes sense to me.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Hollywood]
    #519580 - 01/13/02 05:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Nobody has any clue why plants/fungi make alkaloids. The poison theory is by far the most widely accepted among scientists because most alkaloids are pretty toxic, but there are obviously huge holes in this theory - consider for example the opium poppy. In the case of opium, it seems the alkaloids ENCOURAGE animals to eat the seed pods... which makes sense, as this would help spread the seed. The alkaloids are concentrated mostly in the seed pods. Does this mean the alkaloids are there to encourage eating? Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps the plants use these alkaloids internally for some purpose... many of them are analogous to chemicals found in animals. I dont think anybody would argue that human brains produce GHB and DMT to either encourage or discourage animals from eating human brains... theyre used internally. So far, nobody has figured out anything alkaloids seem to be doing in plants... doesnt mean they dont do anything.

People have been trying to figure out the alkaloids for a long time, and nobody has an answer. Anybody who claims to have the answer is talking meaningless bullshit. Personally I suspect there is more than one reason they exist, but I cant say what those reasons are, other than perhaps a few guesses.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Hollywood]
    #519592 - 01/13/02 05:44 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

well, it seems that most animals other than humans don't possess the part of the brain that is responsible for hallucination. look in hoffman's research if you don't believe me.

my personal postulate on this matter is that the production of indole alkaloids by mushrooms presents a gapping hole in Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: tchyted]
    #519599 - 01/13/02 05:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

My anwer and theory is this,
I think that since psylocibin is basically a nuero-transmitter like our own seratonin, I believe that were whitnessing(sp?) the birth of a primative nervous system.
I believe that mushroom are conscious in a way, like an ameoba(sp?).
Weird to think about while your chomping them, heh.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #519612 - 01/13/02 06:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

It is my belief that the psilocybin content acts as a timing mechanism, once the mycelium have been introduced into an environment that has the essentials for alkaloid production it begins stock piling them like mad. Once the alkaloid content is high enough in a certain area of the mycelium, the mushroom has detected proper nutrients for reproduction, and begins to trigger a fruiting response. It is interesting to note that the phosphorous that is essential to psilocybin production is also essential to the production of DNA. One of my colleagues believes that psilocybin acts as a catalytic agent possibly during the production of spores or other tissues, in a process whereby the phosphate group of the psilocybin is reduced to yield psilocin.

It's theoretical and speculative but it's my general take on this mystified mushroom.

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: tchyted]
    #519628 - 01/13/02 06:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

interesting stuff guys.

i'm not sure which animals actually eat psilocybe mushrooms but certainly the more poisnous mushrooms like amantia can be eaten by deer, rabbits, squirrels, guinea pigs etc with no ill effects.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Hollywood]
    #519636 - 01/13/02 06:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Hollywood - if bears are anything like sheep...

http://mjshroomer.yage.net/news14.html

The Weekly World News. October 3, 1989. Page 43.


SHEEP EAT LSD AND GO BONKERS!


Sheep are tripping like Woodstock hippies thanks to a crop of hallucinogenic mushrooms that sprouted on islands off the coast of Scotland.

Authorities say the animals can't resist the mushrooms, which contain a natural type of LSD and cause them to hallucinate for hours.

According to reports, the sheep:

*Stumble and fall like drunks.

*Run in terror from imaginary predators.

*Wander into roads and refuse to move, even for speeding traffic.

*Have lost all interest in sex.

Walk sideways and backwards, bleating crazily.

*Won't eat anything but mushrooms even though they have no nutritional value and taste like old leather.

The sheep even let other barnyard animals like chickens, roost on their backs without flinching.

"They're wrecked," Dr. Phillip Johnston of the North of Scotland Agriculture College, told reporters.

I have never seen sheep behave like this/ They're litterally out of their minds.

"But as long as the mushrooms are growing, the sheep are going to eat them. They must like the way they feel when they're tripping.

"They act crazy -- but they look like they're having a good time."

Shepherds alerted authorities after their herds began to behave strangely in August.

Animal experts traced the problems to the mushrooms, which grow wild and in great numbers in the Shetland Islands when weather conditions are right.

"In a few more weeks the mushrooms will be gone and the sheep will return to normal," said Dr. Johnston. "In the meantime, the shephers are going to have to keep a close eye on their flocks.

"As long as they're under the influence of drugs, they're in danger of hurting themselves."
To the right center is the photograph which came with the above article




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