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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
moses parting the red sea, that happened :rolleyes:



discovery did a documentary on moses, they showed that at certain times of year
the 'reed sea' does in fact part so to speak, the bible mentioned a strong wind
came up and blew a couple days, this dropped the water level through that stretch
allowing the jews to cross. Moses lived with nomadic tribes in the desert and he
knew its ways. They also showed how the 10 plagues were scientificly possible.


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
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From the Light Within, Know Me

Nothing can stand between us, dear ones, if you choose Me. This is a
law of Love. This is the principal of Creation. It is definitely the entire foundation of your existence beloveds. Nothing can stand between us unless you make another choice.

If you believe you are reaching for Me, but in the next moment you have the thought that you are not strong enough, you have made another choice. You have chosen that belief. You have redefined your reality. So, I come to you today to tell you that I Am here. I answer every call. I fill you with Love, with grace, with the longing for our communion.

Everything sweet that is the touch of Love, everything sacred that
burns in your breast, every longing for your remembrance of the Divine behind these thoughts. I Am rushing to you the moment you open your heart.

For you to believe that anything is stronger than My Love is for you to believe a lie. For you to believe that I ever want anything but your greatest joy is also a lie. I do not test you. I simply wait for you. I wait for you as you test yourselves. I wait as you grow into your faith in My Love.

We have a beautiful relationship. You each have such a beautiful
heart. You have been with Me for so long. Yet now, in this time of your offering for humanity, many of you have chosen false
beliefs. You can open your heart to Me and you can translate My Love into gifts for humankind. You can turn your heart to others, to the
beautiful panoply of life, and you can hear their holiness. Yet in all of this, sometimes you do not lay your faith in Me. In the depths of your being, you still are afraid. You believe that there are powers of darkness that can overcome you.

It is this lie that we now must forever correct. For you cannot claim your life in Me unless you understand My Love. You cannot claim your life in Me if you will not allow Me to support you. It is this support I now offer you. I hold out the gift of light. I wrap you in the beauty of My Love. You must be able to walk in Me, to live in Me, to love in Me. You must correct these misperceptions now. For in all of you I have placed My faith, that you will be the carriers of My message of Love. Yet you cannot carry what your cannot believe.

I must be your everything. For I Am your father ? father of the
heavens, father of the universes, father of All That Is ? all that loves and moves ? all that has its being within Me -- as vast as you can ever comprehend -- as glorious, moving, uplifting. Oh yes, your highest vision, your greatest dream, times a million, and you have barely touched Me.

I Am your mother also. The womb of Love that brought you birth, that
so tenderly loves you completely, in every moment. The mother for whom you are perfection. The mother whose Love has no conditions, no
bounds, whose Love is the foundation upon which you can bet your life.

I Am your benefactor, your cheerleader, your most tender lover. And
now I call you both to come into a walk with Me that is utterly personal, totally faithful, absolutely Real every moment.

I am the center of your lives ? right there in that special heart space between you ? that ?womb of Creation? must be filled with the
complete knowledge of My presence. You all must come to know Me, to love Me in a way that is filled with joy ? a way that makes your heart overflow with Love. A way that brings your daily walk into a passionate and trusting relationship with Me.

This is what I now call you to. For dear ones, I must be fully present in you in a new and powerful way. I ask you to allow Me in -- to trust Me ? that as I fill you with My presence, there will be no room for anything else!

You can only do this when you are ready: ready to give up your belief in your own strength. Ready to accept that only your heart can hold any answers, and those only when your heart is turned over to Me.

Nothing can keep you from Me. Nothing. If you call on Me, you must
know that all heaven and all of Earth must move to deliver you to Me --
to the experience of My presence and My movement in your heart and life!

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he was the son of God. I am not a Christian, but am a good person. I believe I'll go to heaven, if there is such a place. A kind and benevolent God would allow those who are good to go to heaven, regardless of their beliefs.


i agree with all of what you said... which means i could never be a christian.

i was raised christian. i went to christian schools. my wife's mother is a preacher. i know quite well what it means to be christian. i have met good christians and i have met bad christians. part of being christian means that you believe that jesus is the christ and saviour. the only way to go to heaven is through jesus which takes me back to my first post... i want to go where ever gandhi got to go when he died.


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No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. ~ Niels Bohr

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
KingOftheThing said:
moses parting the red sea, that happened :rolleyes:



discovery did a documentary on moses, they showed that at certain times of year
the 'reed sea' does in fact part so to speak, the bible mentioned a strong wind
came up and blew a couple days, this dropped the water level through that stretch
allowing the jews to cross. Moses lived with nomadic tribes in the desert and he
knew its ways. They also showed how the 10 plagues were scientificly possible.


http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/910329_Red_Sea.html

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he was the son of God.


there are 2 immaculate conceptions listed in the bible, an interesticng
coincidence regarding gods impregnating young women, jehova and zeus had the
same M.O., both appeared as mists of gold... looks like a serial rapist to me.


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Redstorm]
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As a Christian, I believe people should be more concerned with creating heaven on earth than preparing for a heaven after death.

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: spud]
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spud said:
I believe people should be more concerned with creating heaven on earth than preparing for a heaven after death.


:thumbup:

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
KingOftheThing said:
moses parting the red sea, that happened :rolleyes:



discovery did a documentary on moses, they showed that at certain times of year
the 'reed sea' does in fact part so to speak, the bible mentioned a strong wind
came up and blew a couple days, this dropped the water level through that stretch
allowing the jews to cross. Moses lived with nomadic tribes in the desert and he
knew its ways. They also showed how the 10 plagues were scientificly possible.


That totally make sense. The church community seems to exaggerate the idea of that happening greatly. Maybe God caused it to happen at the perfect time. :wink:

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: spud]
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spud said:
As a Christian, I believe people should be more concerned with creating heaven on earth than preparing for a heaven after death.


Absolutely.

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: spud]
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spud said:
Prisoner#1 said:
KingOftheThing said:
moses parting the red sea, that happened :rolleyes:



discovery did a documentary on moses, they showed that at certain times of year
the 'reed sea' does in fact part so to speak, the bible mentioned a strong wind
came up and blew a couple days, this dropped the water level through that stretch
allowing the jews to cross. Moses lived with nomadic tribes in the desert and he
knew its ways. They also showed how the 10 plagues were scientificly possible.


http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/910329_Red_Sea.html


looking at a couple maps of the route of moses, the red sea is still a
possibility, I repeated what was stated on the discovery channel


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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VoidOfsPg said:
Maybe God caused it to happen at the perfect time. :wink:



maybe since moses knew the desert, he knew when to do the deed


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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not replying to anyone inparticular here.....this whole discussion just brought this all to my mind

i think that i use 'God' to describe the indescribable......'God' is eternal is the all encompassing, magical, and is something the human mind cannot digest.....

EVERYTHING is perspective.......

im not really sure how to put my thoughts into words :smile:


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" If the sky were to suddenly open up there would be no law. There would be no rule. There would only be you and your memories... the choices you've made, and the people you've touched. If this world were to end there would only be you and him and no-one else. "

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"MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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What punishment did God say is mandatory for an unruly child?

Stoning To Death. "And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die" (Deuteronomy 21:20-21). "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death" (Mark 7:10). "And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death" (Exodus 21:15). "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death (Exodus 21:17)."

What is God's punishment for women who wear showy jewelry and clothing?

Ugliness, misery and death. "In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon. The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, The rings, and nose jewels. The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy might in the war. And her gates shall lament and mourn: and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground" (Isaiah 3:17-26).

What is God's punishment of those who overeat?

Death by plague. "And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp. And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague" (Numbers 11:32-33). "The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel" (Psalms 78:31).

What punishment does God mandate for a man who rapes a virgin?

The rapist and his victim shall be married. "If a man finds a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days Deuteronomy 22:28-29)."

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: nookjohn]
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156

The texts should be taken with a box of salt  :wink:

They have been "Lost in Translation", so to speak  :grin:

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: nookjohn]
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nook-
as with many other religios text, things get rewritten and muddled up over the many many years that have passed since the beginning

is it so far fetched to believe that the sometimes greedy, sometimes spitefull and hatefull nature of some humans could have changed texts to their fitting or for more control?

As an above poster wrote(paradigm maybe?)

the basics is all that are important....


1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your mind, and all your soul.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.


now why cant YOUR God be whatever you see God as? is the basic skeleton of any religion really wrong?

the only thing i can believe right now is that everything is perspective


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" If the sky were to suddenly open up there would be no law. There would be no rule. There would only be you and your memories... the choices you've made, and the people you've touched. If this world were to end there would only be you and him and no-one else. "

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"MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Schwip]
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Schwip said:
nook-
as with many other religios text, things get rewritten and muddled up over the many many years that have passed since the beginning



Not to mention completely removed from the scripture. Familiar with the Nag Hammadi Library and the lost gospel of Thomas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_Library

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: spud]
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wow spud! thats really fascinating

not that i actively research religious history(although it is all quite interesting) but i have never ever heard of the Nag Hammadi library before......

thanks for bringing that to my attention


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" If the sky were to suddenly open up there would be no law. There would be no rule. There would only be you and your memories... the choices you've made, and the people you've touched. If this world were to end there would only be you and him and no-one else. "

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"MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"


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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Schwip]
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It's in my opinion, one of the most important pieces of Christian literature. The gospel of Thomas is amazing.

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: spud]
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The whole problem is that there is no name to call my religion. It is a faith that has the same god as the christians. But I strongly belive that mushrooms are god's flesh. I belive that you can have converstions with god if you consume psilocybins. My faith is based stongly on christianity but I Stongly belive that murder is the ulimant sin.If my religion was the major relgion the crusaids would have never happend.And 1000's of years of the true history wouldnt have been burned and lost for ever. I do not know why the gernal public allows chatholic's to grow in power. That church is blinding the weak. It is the devil him self behind that one and only a few in that religion know it.And they arnt talking. In my religion God just wants you to be happy and live and let live. Governments in America alow any Church exspinse to be refuded to you. This is why curch's shouldn't exspect there members to donate money to them. I don't know about the guy that asked "why dose it matter we can grow them all the time" To this I say: In the end time when I prove to God my dedication to Love, Light and Happniss,And I am walking side by side with God in heven On a trip that would take more than my weight in pure psilocybin to create. I will be enjoying the next enturnity quite well. The power of love is stronger than any thing most people have exprianced. I am suripirised It seems I am the only here that belives in Teo-nanacatl. The flesh of God's is a holy tool.


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Yes, with my own three eyes.
Depression, Misspells , wanting everying thing i cant have haveing nothing i want

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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: nookjohn]
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nookjohn said:
What punishment did God say is mandatory for an unruly child?
Stoning To Death.



What punishment does God mandate for a man who rapes a virgin?
The rapist and his victim shall be married. "If a man finds a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days Deuteronomy 22:28-29)."


I couldnt agree with more, a good stoning will always straighten a kid out,
for the latter, I love how the bible turns daddy into a pimp


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