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Christianity!
    #7943223 - 01/27/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)



Ann Coulture.. eat your heart out.

oh and Die in a fire while you're at it.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943227 - 01/27/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Christianity is more a way of life


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943228 - 01/27/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

heh


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943232 - 01/27/08 11:02 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

To some... yeah. I just thoroughly enjoy making fun of the religion that my parents (tried to) raise me on and was the cause of the Crusades.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943236 - 01/27/08 11:03 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Christianity is more a way of life




...as is Transsexualism.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943245 - 01/27/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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To some... yeah. I just thoroughly enjoy making fun of the religion that my parents (tried to) raise me on and was the cause of the Crusades.




The Crusades are a big shit-stain on the face of Christianity... not to mention things in the Bible that talks about God telling them to kill people. I don't believe anything like that should be in any "holy" book


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943258 - 01/27/08 11:08 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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To some... yeah. I just thoroughly enjoy making fun of the religion that my parents (tried to) raise me on and was the cause of the Crusades.




The Crusades are a big shit-stain on the face of Christianity... not to mention things in the Bible that talks about God telling them to kill people. I don't believe anything like that should be in any "holy" book




...in addition to slavery, rape, sex trade, and murder.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Cancer]
    #7943263 - 01/27/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

How could you forget the brainwashing? Millions of children are brainwashed into it every year.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: robbyberto]
    #7943270 - 01/27/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

so if priests are pedophiles, the pope is....?


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Cancer]
    #7943273 - 01/27/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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...in addition to slavery, rape, sex trade, and murder.




Do you know where slavery, rape, and the sex trade are condoned in the Bible?
I'm not saying they're not, because I don't know.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: casgoodie]
    #7943275 - 01/27/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Super extra holy pedophile?


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943277 - 01/27/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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The Crusades are a big shit-stain on the face of Christianity... not to mention things in the Bible that talks about God telling them to kill people. I don't believe anything like that should be in any "holy" book




Neither do I. But I know, you don't have to tell me some christians are good people, I know that. Many are. I just think religion in general has been the biggest plague on planet Earth.... but Christianity/Catholicism especially is the most guilty for spreading death destruction and manipulation. What started out as a pure and simple message of love your neighbor got warped and twisted and turned into everything from Holy Wars to bans on homosexual marriage and rock albums. The Bible has been edited many, many times by the church in the past thousand years to suit their needs. And fuck any religion that preaches tolerance but tells you that you're going to burn in eternal hellfire if you don't believe what they do. And now we have Christian extremists like Ann the Cunt Coulture who says that Christians are perfected jews and that christianity is the 'fast track' to god. I can't stand behind any religion that produces so many narrow-minded bigots.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943300 - 01/27/08 11:17 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I agree. It comes from taking everything in the Bible literally, not understanding that its books were written, chosen, and translated by flawed men and not God himself. I believe God inspired parts of the Bible because I believe parts of the Bible to hold truth. But I also believe truth can be found anywhere. I don't believe necessarily all things are true, though.
My parents are total fundies and when we get in discussions my dad will say shit like "You can't pick and choose what you believe from the Bible! Either you believe all of it or none of it"
It's ridiculous.
I consider myself an "Atypical Christian Universalist" actually.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943302 - 01/27/08 11:18 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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mycroscope said:
...in addition to slavery, rape, sex trade, and murder.




Do you know where slavery, rape, and the sex trade are condoned in the Bible?
I'm not saying they're not, because I don't know.




Read the old testament. All kinds of deplorable shit going on in there.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943305 - 01/27/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

some good rational discussion going on here :thumbup:


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Re: Christianity! [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7943310 - 01/27/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I agree! :cool:


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943318 - 01/27/08 11:23 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

WORSHIP SATAN:headbanger::headbanger::headbanger::bouncysmoke::rockon::headbanger::cheers::headbanger::projectile::headbanger::werd:


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Re: Christianity! [Re: fliped]
    #7943347 - 01/27/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well, that's the end of that
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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943355 - 01/27/08 11:31 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

i was hopeing it would be... religous convos go for way to long so yeah... WORSHIP SATAN:headbanger:


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943361 - 01/27/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Don't forget the implication of sodomy in the old testament . . . I
believe it is in Genesis?


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943363 - 01/27/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

You are definitely atypical then.. probably less than 1% of christians think that way. See.. I have nothing wrong with the concept behind christianity itself. At its core, it is a very noble and loving message. The problem, is as you said.. people take the bible literally.. as the "WORD OF GOD~!!!one111!!" .. when it's almost definitely written by a bunch of random dudes, and then translated and edited about 50,000 times by more random dudes... some of whom desired power.

That's where the church comes in. You see, the Church is the middle man between Man and God. What Jesus taught, was that God was within us all. The Church teaches, that you have to go to Church, and sing church songs, and listen to what the preacher tells you to think about god, and donate your money to the church, and follow church rules to "be a good christian", and attend church functions, and go convince other people to go to church.. do you see where I'm going with this? It's simply another way of control of the masses.

The best way to control people... governments found out a looooong time ago... is with fear. And what better way to make people fear... then tell them they are going to burn in hell with pain and suffering for all of eternity, if they don't believe in 'this god', and go to church, and do as the church tells them to do. All this confusion and twisting of the original message.. all this manipulation of people and desire for power over all the world.. this is what makes me despise christianity. And I mean Christianity in practice, not in theory.

The Christianity in theory, is a very noble thing, and some people (a small minority) live by it. The vast majority however do not. They do not practice what they preach, and they use the church as a crutch.. they hold this mentality that they are not responsible for their own actions and that god is going to save them from their stupidity. It gets to the point where I think most christians are doing the exact opposite of what I think christianity is supposed to stand for. And if Christianity was in its essence, there would be no need for the Church period.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: fliped]
    #7943368 - 01/27/08 11:37 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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WORSHIP SATAN:headbanger::headbanger::headbanger::bouncysmoke::rockon::headbanger::cheers::headbanger::projectile::headbanger::werd:




lol.

The interesting thing about Satanism, was that it was founded and basically exists in direct opposition of Christianity. Satanism would probably never exist if Christianity didn't try to take over the world... and wasn't so.... insane.  I know that's not written in stone or anything, but that's what I get from it.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943375 - 01/27/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well, I am glad you are able to separate the two. It seems as if many people can't. But with the examples you've given, who could blame them?

What I think a church should be is merely a gathering of people coming together for discussion, perhaps for teaching but never under the premise that you shouldn't question what you're being told.
I also love worship music... I actually sing and play guitar in a worship band because I love it.

I do attend church sometimes because people I love are there, and I find it to be a good experience. But am I going to give my money to a church? No way. I give 10% of my income because I believe it's a good honorable thing to do, but never to a church.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943379 - 01/27/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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WORSHIP SATAN:headbanger::headbanger::headbanger::bouncysmoke::rockon::headbanger::cheers::headbanger::projectile::headbanger::werd:




lol.

The interesting thing about Satanism, was that it was founded and basically exists in direct opposition of Christianity. Satanism would probably never exist if Christianity didn't try to take over the world... and wasn't so.... insane.  I know that's not written in stone or anything, but that's what I get from it.





Well very true... it is the ying to the yang.... there could be no god if there was no devil.... there could be no pleasure if there was no pain.... now i am just babbling so i am going to shut up now.... PEACE


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Re: Christianity! [Re: fliped]
    #7943389 - 01/27/08 11:48 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I thank satanism for providing the yang. But I have the same problem with satanism that I have with christianity.. the message is cool.. but some people take it waay too literally and some satanists are fucking insane. Just fuck religions. Be. We are all humans.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943404 - 01/27/08 11:51 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

And yeah.. going to church to gather in communion with people you love and discuss and be stimulated is one thing.. I go to gatherings for the same reason. Going to church to be told what to think and blindly accept everything you are told without question, and go because of some robotic programming that has been implanted in you.. is something else entirely.
The only difference between me and you.. is that the forest is my church.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943406 - 01/27/08 11:51 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Let us remember that God in fact created Satan. He originally was an angel.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7943411 - 01/27/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

The highest angel in fact.. only God himself was higher in the heiarchy.
Lucifer.. the Bringer of Light.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943446 - 01/28/08 12:04 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I dissagree satanism is a yang to anything. Judeo-Christianity has never been balanced, its get around this by conquering new territory and slaying those who oppose it.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Cancer]
    #7943452 - 01/28/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I also disagree with the devil, except as a mythical icon of fear ussed to propagate the slave religion


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7943558 - 01/28/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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And yeah.. going to church to gather in communion with people you love and discuss and be stimulated is one thing.. I go to gatherings for the same reason. Going to church to be told what to think and blindly accept everything you are told without question, and go because of some robotic programming that has been implanted in you.. is something else entirely.
The only difference between me and you.. is that the forest is my church.





If you think that's the only difference between us... then we have more in common than you think.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943688 - 01/28/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

i'm just glad to know there's more and more objective heads springing about in the world in regards to religion. conversations like these were probably far and apart even 25 years ago.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7943991 - 01/28/08 05:49 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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To some... yeah. I just thoroughly enjoy making fun of the religion that my parents (tried to) raise me on and was the cause of the Crusades.




The Crusades are a big shit-stain on the face of Christianity...




Well that's a load of ignorance.
The Crusades began due to Muslims invading the Byzantine Empire, calling for the destruction of Christian church in Jerusalem, and killing Christian clergy and pilgrims.
The Crusades went on to kill about 2000 people over 300 years.


Some of the real things Christianity is the cause of is the abolition of slavery, the end of cannibalism in various regions, public education (including free public education), the invention of hospices and the spread of provisional care for all people equally.
And the historical implementation of personal freedom as a right, most of all in the US.



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...in addition to slavery, rape, sex trade, and murder.




Do you know where slavery, rape, and the sex trade are condoned in the Bible?
I'm not saying they're not, because I don't know.




Read the old testament. All kinds of deplorable shit going on in there.




Slavery, rape, and the sex trade are not even slightly condoned in the books of the bible.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7944003 - 01/28/08 06:03 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Don't forget the implication of sodomy in the old testament . . . I
believe it is in Genesis?




You probably mean incest. There's a story of incest happening between Lot and his daughters (who get him wasted with the intent of having sex with him so that they can have children - since there are no other men around) after they leave the town of Sodom as it is being destroyed, which is happening due to the extreme sexual debauchery prevalent there (the story of Sodom is responsible for the terms "sodomy," "sodomite," and their meaning).

The incest which occurs is not condoned, only recorded as having taken place.


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    #7944018 - 01/28/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Some of the real things Christianity is the cause of is the abolition of slavery, the end of cannibalism in various regions, public education (including free public education), the invention of hospices and the spread of provisional care for all people equally.
And the historical implementation of personal freedom as a right, most of all in the US.




Sources?

And even if this was true in the past, it is no longer today. Christianity is what is keeping the civilized world from being free.

Because your local pastor voted to legalize marijuana, right?

Because the Christian U.S. President didn't to IMPOSE his personal brand of freedom in the middle east, correct?

Because Christians aren't the ones protesting movies like Brokeback Mountain and the funerals of the actors who worked in those movies, eh?

Because Christian fundies are pushing so hard to legalize homosexual marriage and they totally support the woman's right to choose, indeed?

I feel safe knowing that my freedoms are being protected by those Christians, who only are endorsing all these things because they know what's best for me. :rolleyes:

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Disco Cat said:Slavery, rape, and the sex trade are not even slightly condoned in the books of the bible.




Slavery:
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  Leviticus 25:44-46




The Bible doesn't specifically condone rape (except if they're your enemies in war, apparently)
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As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. Deuteronomy 20:10-14




Mmmm Concubines!:
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Now Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah. 2 Samuel 3:7



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Abraham gave all he had to Isaac. But to the sons of his concubines Abraham gave gifts, and while he was still living he sent them away from his son Isaac, eastward to the east country. Genesis 25:5-6




(edited for verse regarding rape)


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7944211 - 01/28/08 07:57 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Evangelical William Wilberforce in Britian, and the Quakers in the US, were the chief proponents for the end of slavery.
The idea of public education comes from Judaism and Mosaic law, while the creation and implementation of public schools, including free public education, comes from Christianity, specifically, the Protestant Reformation.
"Cannibalism ended 200 years ago after European explorers converted its people to Christianity" - Concerning Papua New Guinea
"The spread of Christianity by missionary agencies has also led to a significant decrease in the practice. A National Geographic article, Island of the Pacific: For a Man-size Appetite, stated that by the close of the 19th century, Christian influences ended cannibalistic practices on the island of Fiji. In fact, the spread of Christianity is believed to have significantly diminished cannibalism worldwide." source




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Christianity is what is keeping the civilized world from being free.

Because your local pastor voted to legalize marijuana, right?

Because the Christian U.S. President didn't to IMPOSE his personal brand of freedom in the middle east, correct?

Because Christians aren't the ones protesting movies like Brokeback Mountain and the funerals of the actors who worked in those movies, eh?

Because Christian fundies are pushing so hard to legalize homosexual marriage and they totally support the woman's right to choose, indeed?

I feel safe knowing that my freedoms are being protected by those Christians, who only are endorsing all these things because they know what's best for me. :rolleyes:




Heaps more ignorance. What is known as fundamental Christianity in the South of the US is not relatable to Christian teaching, nor is it representative of Christianity in the world. It's an abomination specific to the US which can not honestly be called Christianity, and which is generally not thought of when the word "Chistianity" is used by persons who live outside of the US.
Your list of points is irrelevant to a discussion of Christianity, and your fundies aren't representative of Christianity, they're representative of US supidity.
And I really shouldn't have to say it, but attempting to use Bush as a representative of Christianity is a very ignorant move.


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Slavery:
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  Leviticus 25:44-46






Yes, you can make a point on slavery, this is an exception.


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The Bible doesn't specifically condone rape (except if they're your enemies in war, apparently) but it does imply that women are asking for it
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If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. Deuteronomy 22:23-24







Doesn't condone rape, and your quote does not imply women are asking for rape.
You've also omitted the following sentences, which not only fail to condone rape, but emphasize it as wrongful:

"... But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man should die. Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death... Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."


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Mmmm Concubines!:
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Now Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah. 2 Samuel 3:7



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Abraham gave all he had to Isaac. But to the sons of his concubines Abraham gave gifts, and while he was still living he sent them away from his son Isaac, eastward to the east country. Genesis 25:5-6







You were actually wanting to argue that sex trading is condoned in the bible. Your quotes fail to do that. Those quotes don't condone the possession of concubines either.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7944222 - 01/28/08 08:07 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I feel this should do it, so blow it out your ass Christians.

Murder in the Bible




1) Capital Punishment Crimes:



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)




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2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:



Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)



God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)



Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)




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3) Murdering Children



Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)



Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)



Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)



God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)



More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)




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4) Miscellaneous Murders



More of Samson's Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)



Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)



Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)



You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)



The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)



God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)



God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)



The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)



Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)



Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)



God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)



Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)



The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)



Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)



Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)



Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)



Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)



Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)



Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


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Re: Christianity! [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7944229 - 01/28/08 08:13 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I feel this should do it, so blow it out your ass Christians.




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    #7944237 - 01/28/08 08:15 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I feel this should do it, so blow it out your ass Christians.




Do what? Nobody argued against killing in the bible.




I just mean in general not to anyone here.


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    #7944779 - 01/28/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Don't forget the implication of sodomy in the old testament . . . I
believe it is in Genesis?




You probably mean incest. There's a story of incest happening between Lot and his daughters (who get him wasted with the intent of having sex with him so that they can have children - since there are no other men around) after they leave the town of Sodom as it is being destroyed, which is happening due to the extreme sexual debauchery prevalent there (the story of Sodom is responsible for the terms "sodomy," "sodomite," and their meaning).

The incest which occurs is not condoned, only recorded as having taken place.




I wasn't referring to lot, nor was a inferring it was condoned . . . I wish I could find what story this was. It isn't clear that it is sodomy, I was just recently reading a torah commentary for a class and that was suggested . . . let me find a link . . . http://www.aish.com/torahportion/moray/Was_Noah_a_Good_and_Just_Man$.asp

He [Noah] drank of the wine and became intoxicated; and he unconvered himself inside his tent. And [Noah's son] Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. And Shem and Yafet took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and walked backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. [Genesis 9:21-24]

The Sages of the Talmud have two opinions about what actually transpired: "Rab and Samuel differ, one maintaining that Ham castrated him, while the other that he sodomized him." [Sanhedrin 70a] What both opinions have in common is the incredible rage Ham directed toward Noah.




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Re: Christianity! [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7944788 - 01/28/08 11:07 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

yeah im like ok whatever , stick a pin in it and whatnot

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Re: Christianity! [Re: razmablues]
    #7944818 - 01/28/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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i'm just glad to know there's more and more objective heads springing about in the world in regards to religion. conversations like these were probably far and apart even 25 years ago.




That could not be more true. Both of my parents grew up going to Catholic Schools, being involved in church, altar boys/girls, etc., a lot of which was forced by parents. I remember when i was Young, I frequently attended church, did communion, sunday school, and almost went to a private catholic school.

However, I think they realized that sometimes, maybe that isn't the right path for your child . . . so I went to public schools instead, and the family as a whole kind of veered away . . . I'm pretty much a C&E guy now (Christmas and Easter).

Oddly enough, I think my education has opened my parents eyes to other religions. Both my parents have read many background books on Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. Mother even attends the local Buddhist temple once a week or so. Not frequent, but still . . . I'm rambling.

Point being - though there is still unquestionably a taboo concerning religions in some places, its nice to see people open there eyes and learning a bit more.


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    #7944840 - 01/28/08 11:21 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Well that's a load of ignorance.
The Crusades began due to Muslims invading the Byzantine Empire, calling for the destruction of Christian church in Jerusalem, and killing Christian clergy and pilgrims.
The Crusades went on to kill about 2000 people over 300 years.





erm excuse me... 2,000 people over 300 years? And you're saying I'm talking a load of ignorance?

The Crusades is estimated to have killed more than 9 million people altogether.. .Christians, Muslims, and Innocent Civilians alike. Many of those being civilians caught in the brutal carnage. And there is certainly no way to have an exact number for sure. Perhaps it started due to muslims invading Jerusalem.. but you are forgetting that the "Holy Land" was stolen from the Muslims in the first place... in 638 AD. They were just taking it back. But you seem to ignore most of the carnage that the christians were most definitely a leading part of.

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The defenders fled along the walls and through the city, and our men pursued them killing and cutting them down as far as Solomon's Temple, where there was such a massacre that our men were wading ankle deep in blood ... Then the crusaders rushed around the whole city, seizing gold and silver, horses and mules, and looting the housing that were full of costly things. Then, rejoicing and weeping from excess of happiness, they all came to worship and give thanks at the sepulchre of our saviour Jesus. Next morning, they went cautiously up the temple roof and attacked the Saracens, both men and women [who had taken refuge there], cutting off their heads with drawn swords ... Our leaders then gave orders that all the Saracen corpses should be thrown outside the city because of the stench, for almost the whole city was full of dead bodies ... such a slaughter of pagans had never been seen or heard of, for they were burned in pyres like pyramids, and none save God alone knows how many they were.




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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7944848 - 01/28/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

The muslim's took Jerusalem from the Jew's though, did they not?


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    #7944865 - 01/28/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Depends who you ask, and at what time. Actually the Jews took it from the Jebusites.


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    #7945411 - 01/28/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I thank satanism for providing the yang. But I have the same problem with satanism that I have with christianity.. the message is cool.. but some people take it waay too literally and some satanists are fucking insane. Just fuck religions. Be. We are all humans.




the exact reason religion is wrong for me.
I consider myself spiritual, and respect others right to practice as they like.

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    #7945786 - 01/28/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Heaps more ignorance. What is known as fundamental Christianity in the South of the US is not relatable to Christian teaching, nor is it representative of Christianity in the world. It's an abomination specific to the US which can not honestly be called Christianity, and which is generally not thought of when the word "Chistianity" is used by persons who live outside of the US.
Your list of points is irrelevant to a discussion of Christianity, and your fundies aren't representative of Christianity, they're representative of US supidity.
And I really shouldn't have to say it, but attempting to use Bush as a representative of Christianity is a very ignorant move.




In my experience, most Christians look to Bush as a role model of Christianity. They may be fundamentalists, they may be outliers in the world model of Christianity, and I am for sure surrounded by a good deal of ignorant people, but I am speaking from what I know.

Regardless, my point with these statements was not that fundamentalists are the majority of the Christian faith but that they are indeed part of it. You say my list of points is irrelevant to the discussion of Christianity but those points were stated in response to your assertion that Christianity protects and upholds freedoms... when, no matter what denomination you stand by, it only upholds freedoms that it believes are morally right according to its viewpoint.

Perhaps I should have more clearly stated "fundamentalism" as "Conservative Christianity" which is indeed practiced over the world but, as you stated, to an appalling degree in the United States... and especially the United States South (a region which is essentially a joke within a joke)

The cannibalism reference is a fantastic supporting my point; Christianity does not uphold freedoms, only the freedoms that it believes are right. Who are they to decide that something that has been a part of a culture for years is no longer valid and must be eradicated? Cannibalism may be appalling or disgusting to you, but does that make it your right or business to take that freedom from another person or group of people? Maybe these things are not the best for the person but despite that, why shouldn't it be their right, their liberty?

This is also an important issue here, on a drug forum. Or more specifically, a mycological forum with psychedelic/psychoactive substance leanings. Why should anyone have the right to tell us what we can or cannot put in our bodies, be it human flesh or a few tabs of LSD? The fact of the matter is, no one should have that right or ability but Christianity, who you declared to be supporting "personal freedom as a right, especially in the United States."

The fact of the matter is, it's not the case. Freedom is freedom is freedom and what Christianity argues and wants to implement is not.

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Doesn't condone rape, and your quote does not imply women are asking for rape.


I changed the verse I cited (before you posted, I might add) because the one that I had initially quoted was obviously not saying what I had intended it to. That verse was referring to adultery rather than rape.


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You were actually wanting to argue that sex trading is condoned in the bible. Your quotes fail to do that. Those quotes don't condone the possession of concubines either.




You're right, they don't, specifically. There are plenty that do though. There are also numerous verses that support the purchasing of female slaves by males for their pleasure and the trading and rules associated with these slaves.


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    #7949220 - 01/29/08 05:14 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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erm excuse me... 2,000 people over 300 years? And you're saying I'm talking a load of ignorance?

The Crusades is estimated to have killed more than 9 million people altogether.. .Christians, Muslims, and Innocent Civilians alike.



9 mill? No, not that many. Various estimates suggest 1-2 million dead over several centuries, which includes death from famine and disease. The point of it being a notably small number stands.


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Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland
Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.
Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6
1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].
Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems
1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.
50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.
1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.
Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.
Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks
Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.
1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.
Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
[TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]
Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]
Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197
Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost a total of 3,600 in battle.
1st C (1096-99): 400
2nd C (1147-49): 750
3rd C (1189-91): 930
4th C (1202-04): 120
5th C (1228-29): 600
7th C (1248-54): 700
James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)
1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.
1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to starv./disease/battle.
1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.
1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and desertions in campaign vs Antioch.
1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.
[TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around 650,000.]
TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M deaths in the Crusades.

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Perhaps it started due to muslims invading Jerusalem.. but you are forgetting that the "Holy Land" was stolen from the Muslims in the first place... in 638 AD.




No, 638 is when Muslims captured Jerusalem.

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But you seem to ignore most of the carnage that the christians were most definitely a leading part of.



Pardon? I called out your claim that the crusades were caused by Christianity, which is wasn't. The Byzantine emperor asked for the Pope's help to fend off Muslim takeover of the Byzantine empire. Encouraged by recent hostilities from Muslims towards Christians, the Pope conceded.





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In my experience, most Christians look to Bush as a role model of Christianity. They may be fundamentalists, they may be outliers in the world model of Christianity, and I am for sure surrounded by a good deal of ignorant people, but I am speaking from what I know.



People looking to Bush as a religious role model is a unique aspect of US fundamentalism, which is probably akin to looking to Stalin as an atheistic role model.

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I changed the verse I cited (before you posted, I might add) because the one that I had initially quoted was obviously not saying what I had intended it to. That verse was referring to adultery rather than rape.



What you changed it to is not condoning or even speaking of rape.

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You're right, they don't, specifically. There are plenty that do though. There are also numerous verses that support the purchasing of female slaves by males for their pleasure and the trading and rules associated with these slaves.



Plenty of versus that condone prostitution, or having concubines? There is no support of prostitution in the bible, and there is lots of disaproval of it.
The occurance of multiple wives, or concubines, is recorded without making comment on the acceptance of the practice, from what I recall.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7949245 - 01/29/08 05:52 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Haha, real funny. Now can you show us one about Islam and maybe Buddhism while you're at it? Oh, Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist would be even funnier.

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    #7949281 - 01/29/08 06:43 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Why these attacks on Christianity?


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Asante]
    #7949282 - 01/29/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

THere's nothing wrong with CHristianity...

... just the CHristians :wink:


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    #7949296 - 01/29/08 06:54 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Theres a trend of Christian-bashing on this website. It's a pity people can't coexist and agree to disagree without pecking at eachother. And here it is pretty onesided. The Shroomery Christians aren't pecking anyone, yet they get to endure all kinds of hostilities.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: robbyberto]
    #7949302 - 01/29/08 06:57 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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How could you forget the brainwashing? Millions of children are brainwashed into it every year.




Kinda like the liberals trying to rewrite history with our Christian heritage. Millions of good people are brainwashed every year into thinking there are no consequences for their actions.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: Asante]
    #7949480 - 01/29/08 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Theres a trend of Christian-bashing on this website. It's a pity people can't coexist and agree to disagree without pecking at eachother. And here it is pretty onesided. The Shroomery Christians aren't pecking anyone, yet they get to endure all kinds of hostilities.




I've got nothing wrong with Christians... just the ones that try to tell me how to live... which is like 90% of the ones I know... the ones that try to impose their ideals on other people.

The same go for the whiney ass atheists that act all offended when they see "Merry Xmas" signs in stores. Boo hoo. These people need to shut the fuck up also.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7962924 - 02/01/08 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Christianity isn't so much of a way of life as it is your up bringing. It has been divided into so many different denominations that it is a joke.

And I agree that it has been the cause for so much death and unneedful destruction.

Although Christianity has been ruined by so called Christians, the principal teachings of the bible remain true if you read them to yourself. It is only when someone Else gives their interpretation on its meaning (which is entirely and individually symbolic) that disillusion and twisted interpretations arise. In the New Testament Jesus himself is quoted as saying the laws of God are in the hearts and minds of men. A true testament to our free will. DON'T LET ANYONE ELSE INTERPRET LIFE FOR YOU!


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    #7966175 - 02/01/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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Christianity is more a way of life



Christianity is more of a dogma. hahahahaha pwn


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    #7966189 - 02/01/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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Theres a trend of Christian-bashing on this website. It's a pity people can't coexist and agree to disagree without pecking at eachother. And here it is pretty onesided. The Shroomery Christians aren't pecking anyone, yet they get to endure all kinds of hostilities.



By the way my beef isnt with faith its with dogma and the sheeple who mindlessly follow and try to push there "morality" on others.


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    #7966192 - 02/01/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

We should take all the christians and put them in camps!

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    #7966196 - 02/01/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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    #7966200 - 02/01/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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We should take all the christians and put them in camps!

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    #7966203 - 02/01/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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Haha, real funny. Now can you show us one about Islam and maybe Buddhism while you're at it? Oh, Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist would be even funnier.

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    #7966205 - 02/01/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

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We should take all the christians and put them in camps!

:lolocaust:



I hope you are kidding but funny avatar.




No dude, I'm totally srsly!


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Re: Christianity! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #7966315 - 02/01/08 07:41 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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We should take all the christians and put them in camps!

:lolocaust:



I hope you are kidding but funny avatar.




No dude, I'm totally srsly!



comments like this are very damaging to the athiest communities reputation. religous people state that athiests have no moral fiber and that humans cant be decent without God to guide them
People tend to blame the holocost and the totalitarian socities of today on athiests. You saying these things makes them think that they were correct.

When these were caused by replacing one religion with another. worshiping kim jong il or the arian race, the communist party or God, you pick, three are real one is imaginary.

But just watch what you say


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966325 - 02/01/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

haha


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966336 - 02/01/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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awesomebastard said:
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
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awesomebastard said:
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
We should take all the christians and put them in camps!

:lolocaust:



I hope you are kidding but funny avatar.




No dude, I'm totally srsly!



comments like this are very damaging to the athiest communities reputation. religous people state that athiests have no moral fiber and that humans cant be decent without God to guide them
People tend to blame the holocost and the totalitarian socities of today on athiests. You saying these things makes them think that they were correct.

When these were caused by replacing one religion with another. worshiping kim jong il or the arian race, the communist party or God, you pick, three are real one is imaginary.

But just watch what you say




Fuck it the bible supports murder why not be dicks about what they "believe" especially if they are hypocrites about it.  They say they believe everything the bible has to say, but not many of them would stone a person to death for "crimes" stated in the bible.  If you think the bible doesn't then you need to go check out all the verses I posted on this thread there are a ton of them.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7966337 - 02/01/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

Nobody cares.


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    #7966338 - 02/01/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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To some... yeah. I just thoroughly enjoy making fun of the religion that my parents (tried to) raise me on and was the cause of the Crusades.




The Crusades are a big shit-stain on the face of Christianity...




Well that's a load of ignorance.
The Crusades began due to Muslims invading the Byzantine Empire, calling for the destruction of Christian church in Jerusalem, and killing Christian clergy and pilgrims.
The Crusades went on to kill about 2000 people over 300 years.







Shades of the current situation in Baghdad?
A retaliation for an attack.
Did the crusaders have any evidence to support their invasion?
Does the crusader Bush have any evidence to support his invasion?


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Re: Christianity! [Re: hummermania00]
    #7966361 - 02/01/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

ALLAH!

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Haha, see I can make those jokes because I'm equally biased against all religions.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #7966362 - 02/01/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly or Stephen Colbert get away with that one.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #7966363 - 02/01/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

No just kidding I don't care about what people want to believe.

I might laugh, but I think no less of you!


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Re: Christianity! [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7966365 - 02/01/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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Fuck it the bible supports murder why not be dicks about what they "believe" especially if they are hypocrites about it. They say they believe everything the bible has to say, but not many of them would stone a person to death for "crimes" stated in the bible. If you think the bible doesn't then you need to go check out all the verses I posted on this thread there are a ton of them.




I know how hipocrytical the bible is I have read it multiple times, yes the whole thing. Im just saying athiests are having a hard enough time gaining respect as it is, we still cant get any political offices and well ill just leavt at that.

yes i do think its funny to make fun of religion but not threaton a second holocost. remember athiests are the minority and if it wernt for human decency Im sure all the loving religous would have us sent to the gas chambers.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966380 - 02/01/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

I never said I was an atheist.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966434 - 02/01/08 08:14 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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Fuck it the bible supports murder why not be dicks about what they "believe" especially if they are hypocrites about it. They say they believe everything the bible has to say, but not many of them would stone a person to death for "crimes" stated in the bible. If you think the bible doesn't then you need to go check out all the verses I posted on this thread there are a ton of them.




I know how hipocrytical the bible is I have read it multiple times, yes the whole thing. Im just saying athiests are having a hard enough time gaining respect as it is, we still cant get any political offices and well ill just leavt at that.

yes i do think its funny to make fun of religion but not threaton a second holocost. remember athiests are the minority and if it wernt for human decency Im sure all the loving religous would have us sent to the gas chambers.




I think it's war that will never be won and also why peoples religious beliefs should not be even mentioned in politics because they certainly don't mix as we have to come to see. even though i know I don't want some Mormon running this country because they are absurd, that is one thing that is just too ridiculous. I remember watching that south park episode thinking all that stuff they were saying was a joke till I looked it up.


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966443 - 02/01/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

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Fuck it the bible supports murder why not be dicks about what they "believe" especially if they are hypocrites about it. They say they believe everything the bible has to say, but not many of them would stone a person to death for "crimes" stated in the bible. If you think the bible doesn't then you need to go check out all the verses I posted on this thread there are a ton of them.




I know how hipocrytical the bible is I have read it multiple times, yes the whole thing. Im just saying athiests are having a hard enough time gaining respect as it is, we still cant get any political offices and well ill just leavt at that.

yes i do think its funny to make fun of religion but not threaton a second holocost. remember athiests are the minority and if it wernt for human decency Im sure all the loving religous would have us sent to the gas chambers.




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    #7966455 - 02/01/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

if you think that episode of south park was funny you should hear there actaul creation story.


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    #7966472 - 02/01/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

I think I've heard it beofore you gotta link that might provide this?


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    #7966488 - 02/01/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)


enjoy truth friend


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Re: Christianity! [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7966501 - 02/01/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

yep I thought that might be the one it makes more mad than it makes me laugh.


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    #7966532 - 02/01/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

is george carlin the narrator??


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    #7966627 - 02/01/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

that video sucks


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    #7966664 - 02/01/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

:shrug: There was some serious discussion, so I figured I'd post it. I'm on a Bible kick, lately, but I'm not Christian.


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    #7966670 - 02/01/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

the bible was made by humans


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