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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: dr0mni]
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BPM III (Basic Perinatal Matrix III) according to the system devised by Stanislav Grof, M.D., and further, the very psychological source for sado-masochism: ball gags, constriction, bondage, suffocation control, rubber, latex and leather clothing, pain, fear - in a word - 'recapitulation' of this phase of the birth process.

http://www.mimbres.com/holp/holpath/bpms.htm


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Spirit manifests in the physical world because it has lost its way...

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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: heavensgate]
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Fear or no fear, being born must be the first step toward consciousness. A baby has no sense that it is alive or dead in the womb because it has no frame of reference. Its mind cannot comprehend the concept of "others" or "life" or "death" because it is its own singular entity existing, in every sense, in the dark. A baby's first psychological crisis comes when its warm world of pleasant sounds rejects it. It must then cope with the existence of an impossibly complex world.

Because humans are uncommonly smart creatures, we record our experiences in language. Ideas about life and death and purpose emerge and are transmitted intact over generations. That's why we can discuss this here, and I'm happy about that.

But I feel that sometimes discussions like this stray into incomprehensible details. The essential question, in my mind, is "what is consciousness?" Before you really think about what it means to be aware of yourself, your mortality, and your status among your species, you need to wonder what makes that possible, and whether other species face similar questions. I have always thought that our capacity for language sets us apart.

But that's another discussion.

Yes, I think a baby feels basic, animalistic fear at birth. But I think this fear is essential to the development of the human psyche.

I wonder if c-section babies show a difference in their psychological profiles.


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A man said to the universe:
"Sir I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: dr0mni]
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i think what we are taling about is selfawareness.
the ability to make some sort of descision, instead of reacting 1-1 to the sensory stimuli.

to bring conciousness to a state of 'pureness' i think it would be neccecery to block all sensory input, so that it can be simply what it is and behold itself as such... ?

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And what reason do we have to believe that we bring anything into this world with us, aside from our genetic inheritance?


well maybe nothing, but considering how little we understand about genetic inheritance, who knows...


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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: heavensgate]
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Not necessarily. Many Kabbalist schools say that G-D actually employs us in the 'restoration' of the universe that was damaged at creation when the Sephiroth were shattered by the Light.

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin believed that the very universe was going to become 'transubstantiated' into the "Omega Point" - into Christ - not just those of us who were on the path to theosis.

It is a certain Gnostic and Hindu and even Neoplatonic belief that says that we are alienated from the Fullness [Pleroma] or whatever the Summum Bonum is called, and we are pilgrims who are seeking our way back. Personally, I don't believe that I'm an angel who fell from my heavenly abode and I am not going back. I am created from recyled psychic and physical elements, and while I am here I will endeavor to become as much of an undistorted Microcosm of the Macrocosmic Infinite as possible. That is to say, complete the Great Work, be Enlightened, reflect the glory of G-D as symbolized by the 10 Spheres of the Tree of Life, live identified with Tiphereth and aspire to enter into higher spheres. I am Realizing G-D while manifesting all the way down on Malkuth (the earthly Kingdom) while NOT losing my way by identifying with materiality. I am not lost, I am found.


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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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What a cool post. :thumbup: Happy Thanksgiving brother Markos. :heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: Darcho]
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Darcho said:
dormni:

So what is a "spirit" then? If I have a "spirit" then what is it that I have?

leery11 wants to replace it with a different word, he chooses consciousness. Still just as vague as "spirit", and he talks about it in the same manner as one would talk of a spirit, so there is not much difference in making the switch. But whatever, what is "consciousness " then? Hell, what is "pure consciousness?"

And what reason do we have to believe that we bring anything into this world with us, aside from our genetic inheritance?


I don't have an answer for you. My question was really just a hypothetical one.

True, for us to know the real answer to this question we must define what spirit consciousness is. (Insert search results of S&P archives for "Consciousness" here.)

But the question and answer aren't as important as WHY we each answered the way that we did. Our answers reflect our entire attitudes about life, death, and the existance of the soul/god.


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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: dr0mni]
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happy thanksgiving Icelander! :heart: :turkey: :chief:


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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: dr0mni]
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to me spirit or consciousness is the vast depth of your mind.  its abicus where all the computations take place, where the probables and possibles are watched and paths chosen.  it has depth, but it is depthless! you cannot measure consciousness or spirit or mind or whatever.  you can measure intelect, or memorizastion.  you cant measure "thinking outside of the box" as it were.

yet it exists! this depth of soul where all our decisions are made and shaped and judged and shaved and combined and eliminated and etc.

i wish we could measure it, but then it loses its depthlessness :smile:

ack!


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: Icelander]
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Uh...thankyouverymuch Icelander.

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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: Lakefingers]
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the fart fumes fast and furious fomenting a fainting fear in those too familiar with the farter.

while this might be the same with babies, babies persist much longer and are therefore confronted with a sense of self, compared to farts that just dissipate or condense meaninglessly.


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Re: Does a baby fear being born? [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
Does my fart fear being farted?


:strokebeard:


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