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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: mecreateme]
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"what I used to think was me, is just a fading memory" :wink:

- Trent Reznor, NIN


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Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Gustav Jung

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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: Psiledehysp]
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its not really a loss as much as a death. of course, reborn again.


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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: kotik]
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On my last LSD trip, I found myself trying to fight the ego loss at first - as I was walking around outside, in a park - and kept feeling myself slipping there and I'd be "wait, no, I'm in a park - alone! at night, I cant do this, I'm scared"

Then it became a big mental game with myself to let it happen, and when I finnaly did - it was beautiful.

Mind you, in retrospect - I dont think I should of been out in that park alone when I was that out of it. But on the other hand, I'd do it again :smile:

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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: kaniz]
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Solo wilderness trips on high dose is a time honored tradition for self awareness and growth IMO.

All factors combine to create perfect conditions. Leaving the known (house, phone, friends, music,etc.) behind opens one up and puts you on your toes. Nightime is the right time. There is danger and risk. You are challenging yourself to the max. It took me a year to work up the courage the first time I did it. Man was I scared. This begins the process of what some call ego death. The ego flails about for security and finds none. Fear can be palpable. When the dose comes on the damaged ego structure cannot overcome the dose and gain control. Death bardo fears emerge and must be experienced. Then at peak the ego surrenders to a little death. It cannot win and so lets go. This is the first freedom many people feel in there lives since babyhood. Bliss states are common. Heart chakra openings and healing of the wounded personality structure begin. Awake and alive.

This process usually needs to be repeated several times. Each time more work is done.

The benefits are seen in daily living. Things that used to freak one out are now easily or easier to deal with. (You have faced death and overcome, how can a problem like your car being stolen compare).

This has been my experience on the shamanic path.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: Icelander]
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maybe we should start saying "ego found"

i mean, for a short period of time you will be without yourself,
however, after this profound experience doesnt it helpus all to realize who we really are?

after this happened to me i could see the beauty in everything,
when this was happening i learned the truth, it was shown to me.

i feel that i was shown the meaning of existence on this wild journey, after that has been found, theres nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile


however, for some reason, the profound effects seem to fade into the background after awhile, this is something that i have out much thought into, i wonder if it is not so much that we forget about what we know, or ignore it, as we get used to seeing things differently, which, quite honestly, at times, can be little but a pain in the ass in general society,

after this happened my shrink did some test on me and found me to have ASPD and to be mildly dyslexic,
simply becuase i saw things from a different point of view than what is considered normal,

the point is,

did i,

or anyone whos ever experienced this,

really lose (anything at all)


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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: incubaby_421]
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Nothing to lose. Just re-education and healing of a damaged ego structure.

The lessons fade IMO because of how the psychedelic is used. Practiced as a shamanic path, permanent results can be obtained. It's all about timing and working with the ego structure to, as I said, retrain and heal it. It works in stages and time is needed, but success is very possible.

If you want to PM me I will share my ideas and experiences on this.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why ego "loss"? [Re: Icelander]
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Salvia showed me what my ego was. For a moment, I was outside of my ego and outside of time. Then, I saw my ego approaching once again. I tried to grab hold of this ego desperately, this mass of things I used to define my existence, but none of the strands i tried to grasp were connected to anything solid, so I couldn't pull myself up. Gradually, relative reality became more and more real and i completely forgot the experience of egolessness.
Mushrooms dissolve the ego in a different way. I became part of the all in a beautiful way, unalienated and blissful.

I think it makes sense to think of the ego not as a solid core that defines the self, but as an aggregate of things with which the self self-insulates. Ego-less experiences, although they cannot be remembered in their entirety, begin to show that the reality that we have created is an extremely limited reality and that there is an absolute reality lying just at the opposite side of that illusory boundary we call ego.

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