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InvisibleHillbillie
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Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth.
    #4007811 - 04/03/05 07:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This has happened to me twice so far, both on P. tampanensis truffles. Quite low dosages as well. I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences.

I'd call it "super ego" or something, where I realize it is actually I who is God; and that I have fabricated reality itself to entertain my infinitely lonesome being. I realize we all are the same entity, simply different perspectives of the same consciousness.

The second time it happened I was alone, lights low, on my bed just thinking. I remember looking at the coke can on my desk and realizing I *am* the coke can, that I am everything (and yet nothing), that true equals false, that 2+2=5, etc.

This wasn't just mindfuck. It was too epiphanic for that. Like finding out the surprise ending to a book that you never thought would've ended that way.

I've never had ego loss on mushrooms (don't think) so maybe that's what it was? But like I said, it was a very low dose.... 2.5 to 3 grams dried both times, though I do have a low tolerance as well.

Edit: Forgot to add that I intentionally got very stoned during the peak of both trips... which I know added to the experience.


Edited by Hillbillie (04/03/05 07:18 AM)


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4007831 - 04/03/05 07:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

dxm always turns me into a rich snobby fuck, I love it


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: thenewuser]
    #4008410 - 04/03/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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thenewuser said:
dxm always turns me into a rich snobby fuck, I love it




:lol: :headbang:


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4008641 - 04/03/05 03:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, sounds like a lot of my mushroom trips. Moments of seeming clarity and oneness with all. It's a good feeling.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: jux]
    #4009609 - 04/03/05 08:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I've been there too it's great. Like the world is conforming it's self to your thoughts. It's crazy when you're with friends and you almost konw what their going to say b4 they say it.

I had one of those moments about a year ago there were 4 of us tripping and 1 left to hang with his Gurl friend, the other two were in a dark bedroom just acting crazy. I was alone listeing to Tech N9ne angelic and talking to these two hot chicks I know that werent' tripping but knew we were. They all wanted to know what I was seeing/thinking and I pretty much told them I wasnt' fucked up I was just loving life.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4011148 - 04/04/05 02:18 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your experience is very interesting. I've never experienced a full immersion in the notion that I am God, creating reality to entertain myself, and to stretch the boundaries of consciousness.

You say it was like finding out the suprise ending of a book, which I find particularly fascinating. Do you mean that this notion was perceived as a grand awakening, a truth, or did you have theories about being God prior to the experience?

Also, if you are God, creating your own existence, you ultimately created the experience of experiencing the grand awakening, that you are God, thereby appreciating this fact in a profound way. Simply brilliant.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4011915 - 04/04/05 09:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You ask a good question.

What you describe sounds very related to the philosphical issue of Solipsism (see also this link).

So perhaps it is not for nothing that these are called 'philospher stones.'

Does anyone think there might be a chemical basis for their reputation of giving more philosophical trips? Anyone know who first called the sclerotia 'philosopher stones' (a term from Alchemy)?

I've also sent you a private message, Hillbillie.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4011933 - 04/04/05 09:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes i had a similiar exp[erience with truffles. It was like i realized that i was a wizard who created this illusion called 'reality' for my own amusement, but forgot that i created it. Then it was like all beings were just playful reflections of myself and i was the master of the universe. Quite empowering, i could do things like move things with my mind and see through walls. It was interesting, and pround but probably just another dellusional state :lol:


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: egghead1]
    #4012015 - 04/04/05 10:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I posted a trip report regarding the first time this happened.

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Do you mean that this notion was perceived as a grand awakening, a truth, or did you have theories about being God prior to the experience?




Both, actually.

Not sure about everyone else but ever since I can remember I have had something in the back of my head telling me I'm infinitely unique from everyone else. Nothing overwhelming, just a mild sense. Never took it seriously. I'm probably referring to my ego I guess.

Also, before I had these experiences, I had been leaning toward the whole "collective consciousness" belief for a while.

As far as the book ending thing, I used that to try and convey what the ephiphany was like for me. In the movie, "The Sixth Sense", for me at least I had never thought Willis was a ghost the whole time and then when I found out, it was just like "BAM! That makes so much sense but I would have never thought that's how it was." This is basically how it was for me.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4012047 - 04/04/05 11:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It is called the experince people.
This is the qunitessential psychedelic experience! Just because you achieved it on a low dose just mean you are sensitive to psychedelic materials. And that is a good thing. It means you don't need as much to get off. It is amazing. At once it the most amazing and terrifying thing you could ever imagine. It is the true magic of the mushrooms if you ask me. Tampanesis are also moderately potent, so the dose you took is equal to a good bit more cubensis. I call what you experienced ego death, where you see that you are the creator. Quite liberating and also quite sad too...

This reality is one big surprise ending. It seems to be one of the working principles of how things are. Along with super paradox! IT is US! WE are IT! :sun:


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: mecreateme]
    #4012180 - 04/04/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Super paradox? What is that?


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4012209 - 04/04/05 12:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

mecreateme is exactly right, it's the psychedelic exp.
want to know the ultimate paradox? smoke a proper dose of 5-meO-dmt
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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4012217 - 04/04/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I realize we all are the same entity, simply different perspectives of the same consciousness. ... I remember looking at the coke can on my desk and realizing I *am* the coke can, that I am everything (and yet nothing), that true equals false, that 2+2=5, etc.




You have provided what I consider to be a classic description of the "egoloss" experience. Did you realize the above while it was happening, or after the fact, when reflecting upon what happened?

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I've never had ego loss on mushrooms (don't think) so maybe that's what it was? But like I said, it was a very low dose.... 2.5 to 3 grams dried both times, though I do have a low tolerance as well.




I have found that it is much more likely to happen on low dosages than high dosages... at least with mushrooms. This is one of the reaons I don't like the "level 5 trip" being equated to "egoloss"...

I also do not care for the term "egoloss"... it is a bit misleading... but I cannot think of a better word to use... it isn't so much a loss of ones sense of self (though that is a large part of it), but more a loss of judgement. There is no difference between green and blue, they are one in the same... we only interpret them as different because we choose to experience life in terms of duality.


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Seuss]
    #4012564 - 04/04/05 02:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you realize the above while it was happening, or after the fact, when reflecting upon what happened?




As it was happening, I realized that I was God; that I had created reality and had forgotten about it. And in the second trip, as it was happening, I realized I was the coke can, that I am everything (and yet nothing), that true equals false, that 2+2=5, etc.

After the trips, when I was trying to make sense of what I had experienced, I realized/figured out we all are the same entity, simply different perspectives of the same consciousness.

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There is no difference between green and blue, they are one in the same... we only interpret them as different because we choose to experience life in terms of duality.




Exactly!!!


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: Seuss]
    #4012685 - 04/04/05 02:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

We do not choose to live in duality, so much as reality has manifested itself in a state of duality through us :smile:


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Re: Opposite of ego loss; more like ego birth. [Re: jux]
    #4013759 - 04/04/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nice.
It happens on both large and small doses. I have been able to achieve it on very large and moderate doses, but never on an extremely low dose, like less then two grams.

We all know everything, we just have to remember it.

This feeling you get from an experience like this is life affirming. It also affirms that feeling you have in the back of your mind that you are incredibly important. Holy shit, you are the most important one! We all are the ONE!


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