blinkidiot said:

CeeThruMeer said:

incubaby_421 said:

but i was definitly a changed man after this happened...
but ego still exists

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This basically sums up what I was saying.

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Ego Disolution is a better word for it, but loss still applies... in that moment I have LOST the ego and simply am. After the fact I reintergrate with it and try to relate the experience to others.

Same goes for splitting the ego or displacing the ego (ever watched a movie and gotten so involved that you've BECOME the movie?).

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blinkidiot said:

whitegreyhat said:

You just feel like you are part of the wind, thats blowing around you.  Part of the sky when you look at it.  A blade of grass or millions.

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thanks for the meme cultivation.

try speaking in the first person instead of telling us what we're to expect.]

What I think you're trying to get at is that you experienced a merging with your surroundings? is this right?

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Yah I just felt like everything came together- You know in this beautiful harmonious entity. I forgot about my problems and my life (that i was even a person) and thought about how great wonderful and interesting everything is. (Like being born again)  That was egoloss to me.  It is strange, I think it changed my life and my way of thinking. Thats the best way I can explain it.

CeeThruMeer said:

I think it might be moe valuble to have this conversation with the guy that told me he is now "egoless" since going through ego loss.

Everyone here seems to be on the same track already anyway.

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CeeThruMeer said:

I think ego misplacement more accurately describes what ego loss is... Who here (on Earth) is without an ego?

No one loses their ego... they just misplace it or batter it down until it is almost nothing. Then they either find it or start again with what's left of the one they were used to.

Say on a rare occasion, one loses their ego completely, they will only start over again with a new one.

Do you see it differently?

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kaniz said:

I'm still trying to decide if I've expierenced ego loss or not. Many people seem to describe it as a scary/terrifying expierence.

Some times, I /think/ I've had it - no concept of self,no concept of time or place - just pure energy , connected to everything in the universe.

I found it to be a very fearless, blissfull and euphoric expirence, while when I hear others describe their ego loss - they seem to do so in a way that it sounds like it scared them going into it.

..then, part of me thinks "if I even have to ask the question, - have I had an ego loss? - " then I havnt had one.

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CeeThruMeer said:

I think ego misplacement more accurately describes what ego loss is... Who here (on Earth) is without an ego?

No one loses their ego... they just misplace it or batter it down until it is almost nothing. Then they either find it or start again with what's left of the one they were used to.

Say on a rare occasion, one loses their ego completely, they will only start over again with a new one.

Do you see it differently?

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blinkidiot said:

Ego is the mental construct of the self and losing it (or disolving it) leaves one with pure awareness and no context for it (no way to relate to previous experience if all that exists is the moment)

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I really like that way of putting it. I would also say that normally ego  is controlling/working by relating to past experiences (in comparison) to actual experience, to find out what to do so to speak. And it is doing it by thoughts. If a person was beaten in the past, a raised hand by someone can make the ego expect the beating again, and result in a defensive, fearful posture. But for another person with no such experiences raised hand may mean something else. Without ego, there is no relating to any experience so raised hand means nothing - there is no more interpretation going on, just being, pure awareness, awareness of raised hand but no meaning to it. (there is no raising, no hand, just awareness of what is happening)

For me, while on a psytrance festival when i let go of my control in a dance, I was all of a sudden liberated from my thoughts, a great peace and stillness appeared. I was free to look people in the eyes without explaining to myself what is going on, I was free to dance to the music without thinking how my moves look like; I was free to lie on the ground, spread my arms and stare into space without wondering how do I look like; smile to people without a shame...  There was no interpretation going on, I just was. And after some time I started to notice that I`m dreaming...  I was considering current situation and wondering about what was happening.. but ego loss state was still so fresh, that I realized immediately, I thought no! smiled and silenced completely again. The dreaming of ordinary thoughts was stopped, I was awaken again. During that night I was observing this process few times, and came to believe that what ego does it produces dreams in our "waking" everyday state of consciousness. It picks interpretations of current situations based on past experiences; it picks just one interpretation at a time, out of infinite possibilities and believes this is the one and only. Thats why it is so easy for misunderstandings among people. And, I believe, all this possibilities are equal and all are illusions and whats real is no interpretation but pure awareness..

So why ego loss? To wake up, to expand consciousness above ordinary limited point of view. And to love


one more thing - ego loss and ego death, I think to lose sense of body, transcend space and time and merge with whole whole universe is true ego death. What I expressed is ego loss - being in a body seeing surroundings but just being

all that is just my thinking, interpretation of my ego