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Acceptance of Death
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"Death, my child, is an object of fear only to those who believe. Constantly torn between the images of heaven and hell, never certain of which of the two will open up to receive them, they are ravaged by anxiety, whilst I, who expect nothing, who am certain of being no more miserable after my death than I was before I was born, shall go peacefully to sleep, with no regrets and, likewise, with no sentiments of pain or sorrow, with no remorse and no misgivings." --Marquis de Sade, Florville and Courval

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: it stars saddam]
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Well if we're going to have snuff movies and russian roulette I think it ought to be labaled as such and not come sneaking in pretending to be something quite different.

Yeah we need a Snuff forum, a Russian Roulette forum along with the pker & blackjack tables.


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That mycelium eats detritus and dies
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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: it stars saddam]
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Marquis de Sade definately captures the spirit of materialism


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Don't fight it. Just let the illuminados take over your mind. You be at bliss soon.

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: Unagipie]
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how ironic considering most of the time materialists claim afterlife theories were only invented to prevent people from fearing death. now this dude is saying the opposite? well they can't have it both ways. the simply reality is that your basic beleifs really aren't what determines how you deal with death. as someone who was an athiest most of life, i was absolutely terrified of death. essentially what the quote is saying is that those with faith die more peacefully than those without it, yet his mistake is equating faith with materialism. you can just as easily have faith in a loving God who will forgive you if you surrender to him as you can in materialism. in fact i would argue it is easier to have faith in God than materialism but that's irrevelant, the point is that both ideas are subject to doubt (in fact, without admitting to a degree of uncertaintly, i don't even see how a materialist could be considered rational but again thats irrevelent) and this can always lead to fear. in addition, i think many other factors can come into play. for example if you're looking forward to youre wedding tomorrow, or the birth of your first child, its probably going to be much harder to accept death than if youre an old man who feels his time is up, etc, etc. i think you would find this to be case the regardless of what the person's religious beliefs were.

personally i think you should stop posting quotes by this man because so far they haven't proven very intelligent or insightful to say the least.

Edited by Deviate (10/26/05 02:00 PM)

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: Deviate]
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It seems to me like he is saying that if you do not focus so much on death it will be easier; whether you believe in an afterlife or not. I think when he refers to heaven and hell he is only talking about the people who go to church in fear of going to hell. If you truly believe in a religion, and dedicate your self to it then you have no need of being scared about an afterlife. Just like the materialists who have strong believes and do not not believe in hell.

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: it stars saddam]
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Death will be such an adventure, that some days I can hardly wait to taste it. Sometimes the world gets old. I have no fear for my immortal soul. I know something of what lies beyond, and I'm eager to explore it anew. But I'm patient, too. Still got a lot of stuff to do here. Got to make the most of this before I go back there. I wouldn't throw this away for anything. And when I finally get tired and die, the best stuff lies ahead. Into the breach once more.

I forgot to mention, I'm not a christian. All religions suck.

Edited by LucidDream (10/27/05 09:57 PM)

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: LucidDream]
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you know man, i could not possibly agree more with what you said there. wow. what a cooincidence that you call yourself lucid dream :wink:
sounds like you already been "out" of your physical body at a few occasions...
are you by any chance familiar with the name monroe? according to him, our focus shifts from c1 (the physical aspect of our consciousness) to somewhere beyond focus 27 when we die! if u dont know him already, i suggest you check it out, it might be of interest to you.
i guess its all a matter of what we focus on. i had always thought, even as a kid, that when the physical body dies, our consciousness shifts to "where we go when we sleep". that was my definition of death. in my young mind i pictured death as an infinity, and thought it was quite scary. really scary. somewhere along the way i realised that what we percieve as infinity, in regards to time, can perhaps also (quite paradoxically) be experienced as "the unconscious state of sleep" ie. non linear time perception. when u sleep, time doesnt really seem to exist does it? in a way this could be considered infinity.
a thing i just though of in this very moment: an old concept of simplistic science is:
?energy and matter can not be created, nor can it be destroyed, it can merely be changed from one form to another?.
im quite certain that if someone figured out a way of doing a calorimetric measurement of the physical body before and after its death, one would find that the enthalpies of the matter (the body) that is decaying would be numerically equal, on both sides of the equation. now, here the spirit/soul/consciousness/subconsciousness is not yet taken into consideration. assuming the physical enthalpy change is equal to zero, then logically, we have yet to discover where the consciousness or the "non physical" part of the human being went...but yeah yeah, i know:
the brain is nothing but an ocean of chemical reactions, synapses etc., so the non-physical (as i call it here) does decay with the physical body, since thought processes are merely a chemical reactions, and will decay along with our other organ tissue. One could argue that consciousness decays with the physical body. One could argue it doesnt, but thats all depent upon whether one chooses to accept that the equation above is balanced with or without the consciousness taken into consideration.
I dont know if this made any sense to you at all. Chemistry was never my strong side anyways :smile:
but what it comes down to, i think is: can the non physical human exist without the physical? In my opinion, yes.
In this issue, it seems we are dealing with metaphysics. And for me, trying to fully undertand metaphysical theories is frankly like licking my own elbow: i cant do it while in c1/the physical body.
On my behalf, it comes down to personal experience. Once you consciously experience your own physical inexistance, your mind will never be the same again. But while in c1,  i certainly have my limitations as to the ability of perceiving and even imagining the existencial/inexsistencial boundies of the human being.

Peace be.


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May all beings with whom we are inseperably interconnected, be fulfilled awakened and free. May there be peace in this world and throught the entire universe, and may we together complete the spiritual journey.

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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: ungskabning]
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That being said, Marquis de Sade probably did simply disappear after physical death. Ironic, he outsmarted himself


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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: ungskabning]
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ungskabning said:
are you by any chance familiar with the name monroe?


Oh, man, don?t get me started about Robert Monroe. He is The Man. I?ve never had a guru or anything like that, but I have the deepest respect for Monroe. I have all three of his books, which I read and re-read regularly; I have his 5 CD set, ?Hemi-Sync support for Journeys Out of the Body.?

Alas, my lucid dreams were ages ago, and I?m trying to re-ignite them with a number of meditation techniques. I do things at night, every night, but I don?t know what they are, exactly. One-third of my life is a mystery to me. I?ve figured parts of it out, and it is quite bizarre. I have a journal on it all over at Astral Society under the same name, Lucid_D.

Yeah, the place we go when we sleep! It?s amazing to realize that a reality that seems soft and insubstantial could be more real than what we wake up to everyday. I?ve been working very diligently at dream recall, and I can recall a lot these days. I try to document my more interesting dreams. And the place that appears, the dreamscape they describe, is beyond imagining. The DreamTime is our introduction to the great beyond. Your post has got me deep into thought about it all. Yes, time is not present in DreamTime, except as a background illusion at times. Infinity, and beyond (no Buzz Lightyear reference intended, lol).

?One could argue that consciousness decays with the physical body.? One could also argue that there are higher forms of consciousness available to us which we don?t perceive in the present moment. Our life experience will be carefully analyzed by our higher selves for every last ounce of information it holds. It?s an experiment: in a world built on illusions, with the fact of your immortality a secret which you have agreed to withhold from yourself, how would you live? Would you be good? Would you be bad? Interesting or dull? What would define who you are if you actually thought you could die? In order to make all this interesting, you have to agree to forget your true nature, otherwise it would be like playing poker when you hold all the aces.

You should check out Astral Society:
http://www.astralsociety.com/

A board built entirely around what we?re talking about. Peace be, my brother.


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Re: Acceptance of Death [Re: it stars saddam]
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!Life - Death <-> Birth - Life!


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