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Mescaline extraction gone wrong?
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I followed the "mescaline extraction made easy" the best I could, substituting citric acid powder for HCl (which is acceptable). However when I got to the step where I salted the mescaline out of the xylene and evapped it in the oven, it made a thick syrup on the bottom of the baking sheet and wouldnt evap down to crystals.

IDK wtf is going on with it.

I added some water, mixed everything back up nicely, and dumped it all in a mason jar to save for later attempts. I'm frucking confused.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Konnrade]
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I assume nobody has any idea why it would form a syrup as opposed to crystals?


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Konnrade]
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Perhaps you used too much heat in the oven.

It's hard to say.

Your substitution of citric acid may have done something to cause this.

It might not have been enough acid to sufficiently turn all of the mescaline into salt. The remaining mescaline freebase would be left as an oil.


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Edited by Ekstaza (10/23/05 05:46 PM)

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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Ekstaza]
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well taste testing indicated that quite a bit of acid was in the salting water, the distinct flavor of citric acid is unmistakable.

I evapped a glass container from which I transferred the salting water and it formed white crystals of citric acid, so I assume it's not the acid that is the problem though I may be wrong.

I guess I can just boil the water from salting down and use in liquid form.

I used an oven temp of between 225 and 250 F.

Perhaps some of the fats/oils from the flesh made it into my final solution?


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Edited by Konnrade (10/23/05 06:44 PM)

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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Konnrade]
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You cant just go substituting PH adjuster with other PH adjusters without knowing their properties and doing tests to see how much of it it takes to change the PH. Muriatic acid only takes 2 drops to drop a gallon of water to a PH of 2, where as citric acid may take alot more and might not be able to go farther than 4.

i hope you have some idea of how sensitive and erratic PH changing is.

Perhaps mesc in its HCl form is hydrophilic? Alot of polar crystals are hydrophilic IE lye, sodium chloride, salt, sugar etc.... but as you observe some are more than others, hence why lye and sodium chloride instantly absorbs water from the air, and why DMT HCl is impossible to get in its crystal form, and only can be attained in a watery goop.

In this case you will have a very difficult time obtaining crystals without being in a 0% humidity environment.

But i ask, if you plan on ingesting it in its HCl form, cause as far as i understand its not orally active in its freebase form and is very caustic, why arent you content with a mescaline/water solution? why is it so important that you obtain the illusive crystals?

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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: yousuck]
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yousuck said:
why is it so important that you obtain the illusive crystals?


why wouldnt you want them?

also they would be far more accurate for dosing.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: yousuck]
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I dont have the stomach for traditional oral methods. Seriously, I filled a utility sink with vomit.

Mesc crystals are easy enough to encapsulate, and dosage isnt some ballpark guesstimate unlike with tea/tar/dried flesh.

And well, pure mesc is so much smaller in volume, far easier to trade/conceal.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: yousuck]
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yousuck said:
But i ask, if you plan on ingesting it in its HCl form, cause as far as i understand its not orally active in its freebase form and is very caustic, why arent you content with a mescaline/water solution? why is it so important that you obtain the illusive crystals?


Your understanding of mescaline freebase is very wrong. It is highly active in it's freebase form. I have used it like this many times. But, then again, it does react with stomach acid to create mescaline hcl anyways so I guess you could be right. There's no way to find out for sure because you can't take it orally without having it come in contact with hydrochloric acid and thus forming a salt.

It is very caustic, but it ain't going to burn your mouth or anything.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Ekstaza]
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good to know that it'd be safe to drink the salting solution then (I allready did an admittedly somewhat foolish taste-test with it, no burning sensation and no damage done, just aa acidic citrus taste.). Admittedly it'd make me pucker, but it's far better than puking while in the middle of trying to swallow some cactus tea.

I think I'll mix it with some Cactus Cooler, not only would it cover the taste pretty well, but the irony is just a hoot.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: Konnrade]
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You should know the dosage based upon the amount of cactus used and the volume at which the intended amount of alkaloid is dissolved in.

Hell, shroomers have no idea how much psilo per gram of matter is in thier shrooms, but that doesnt keep them from experimenting and dosing.

Im just saying you might be going out of your way to obtain these crystals, when a solution would work just as well.

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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: yousuck]
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Cactus differs *far* greater than mushrooms.


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Re: Mescaline extraction gone wrong? [Re: yousuck]
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I don't have a problem with drinking the solution, but there is one problem in that to rinse them in acetone you have to have evapped down to crystal.

This batch I'm going to leave as a solution, since I allready know it's safe to drink.

Next batch I'm buying some unadulterated HCl from Ace Hardware so I know I'm going to have a sufficient molar amount of acid to salt the mescaline.

Also, I'd have to say your post about neutralization reaction was confusing. The actual stength of pH is more or less only indirectly of importance to salting/neutralization. The thing that IS important is that there is a sufficient ratio of moles of acid to moles of base.

And of course with a stronger acid like HCl that's far easier and the properties of HCl are probably more conducive to this process anyhow. Citric acid can bite me, it's no longer welcome in my organic chemistry endeavors.

I'm also keeping an eye on eBay for separatory funnels, they've had some decent ones with teflon stopcocks and top-plugs for under $25, usually with around $11 s$h.


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