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OfflineFrog
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Re: double standards [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4281935 - 06/10/05 10:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
it is also opinion of christians that you are a siner and a bad man for having sex before marrriage, yet those who express opinion here, criticize the christian opinion. that is why I have called this thread double standards




Let me see if I get what you are saying:

Chrisians and Agnostics/Atheists express their opinions, and no one criticizes them. But when Christians express their opinions on their own stuff, they are criticized by the Agnostics/Atheists.

Hmmm.


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Re: double standards [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4281949 - 06/10/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You said you see S&P as a field of predators and prey.

I also put it in the context of natural selection as in the slow rabbit gets eaten by the wolf before it can reproduce and pass on its slow genes. You are the one who introduced the word 'bait'.

The parallel to ideas is that those ideas full of holes, inconsistencies, and non-sequiters get eaten and those that can stand the light of scrutiny continue.

I don't make things up, I just point out the obvious inconsistencies in belief systems. Don't shoot the messenger.

Now that I think about it, you remind me of Bill Whittle's essay Skorp posted where he's with a group of people who see a UFO. When Bill, using binoculars, identifies the UFO as a flock of birds:

How could they be birds? But they were. It was a flock of geese.

And then something happened that I will never forget: that crowd wasn?t relieved; they weren?t even disappointed. They were angry. They were angry at me. Not dogs and pitchforks and torches angry, but they were surly enough to burn the moment into my young brain.


Like Whittle's crowd of True Believers, you're angry that your ideas about mysticism, ESP, UFOs, Remote Viewing, telepathy, telekinesis, and all the rest don't hold water, and rather than honestly reevaluating your ideas, you cling to them and lash out at me. :sad:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (06/11/05 12:03 AM)

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Re: double standards [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4282213 - 06/11/05 12:31 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Progress is change, change can take place in any direction




absolutely? is this always true? isn't this an absolute statement? a kind of absolutism?
all beliefs are expressed in absolutes. in my opinion there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

IMO it's natural to try to impose one's will on the world. even saying imposition-of-will is wrong, is an attempt at imposing one's will.


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Re: double standards [Re: Frog]
    #4282644 - 06/11/05 06:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No you didn't get it

christians express their opinion, then some people say its bullshit and then say the same thing: that there is a right path, a cosmic morality etc etc.

It's like me saying to you: "orange juice is crap in my opinion, what I really like is orange juice"


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: double standards [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4282645 - 06/11/05 06:42 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yes, I am imposing my own ideas, I am evil, I am inconsistant


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Re: double standards [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4282719 - 06/11/05 07:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It's like me saying to you: "orange juice is crap in my opinion, what I really like is orange juice"

Actually it's more along the lines of:

"orange juise is crap in my opinion, what I really like is apple juice."


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Re: double standards [Re: trendal]
    #4282732 - 06/11/05 08:09 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not refering to the contents of these theories, but their orientations

To be more specific it is like this:

"how can think that anyone should prefer orange juice, it's ridiculous, you have no basis for that, you should prefer apple juice"


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: double standards [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4284649 - 06/11/05 08:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i dont think you're evil
maybe not even inconsistent
maybe you just prefer one kind of absolutism over another.
IMO your heart is in the right place. 
:thumbup:

i wonder about the OJ/apple juice thing-
i think ego's defenses is the answer.  everyone's empty in a sense- but people prefer to look at the emptiness in others over the emptiness in themselves.

what's the point of staring at your own emptiness anyway?  best i can figure is it's a means to end at most.


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Edited by crunchytoast (06/11/05 08:47 PM)

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Re: double standards [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4285060 - 06/11/05 11:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"everyone's empty in a sense- but people prefer to look at the emptiness in others over the emptiness in themselves." Goal is to fill your Self up.

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Re: double standards [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4288409 - 06/12/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i agree
i'm saying the only way to be filled is by not looking at yourself

like people have beliefs in facts+ beliefs in values
you look at others and you can see the difference (those people it's just their values with no foundation)
but for yourself you think that your values are fact
until you stare at that long enough and it falls apart
so the only way to stay whole is to look outward


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Re: double standards [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4302492 - 06/16/05 02:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Its okay to believe. You just have to find the path with no inconsistencies. It really is a path of MOST resistance.

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Re: double standards [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4586705 - 08/27/05 05:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

what about quadruple standards?

I know a hiprocrite who's not a hipocrite; how's that for absolute hipocricy!

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