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OfflineRxman
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Potency?
    #456758 - 11/13/01 07:50 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I tried one of my brothers fungi and it was about four inches high and the cap was well opened! I got nothing from it but when I grew the same species (reg.P.C.'s) mine had a great punch. I told him not to let them grow so big and pick them when they are buttons so-to-speak!
They were cased in dung and his shrooms are beautiful but don't you think he's probably letting them get too ripe?


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Re: Potency? [Re: Rxman]
    #456842 - 11/13/01 11:33 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Probably not enough nutrient substrate if they dont get potent..off of a 4 incher your supposed to get atleast a good buzz..
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Re: Potency? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #457821 - 11/14/01 07:56 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Also,he baked his substrate for two hours on about 300 degrees which I think killed the good bacteria too!
He used cow dung. The shroom, I my opinion was also way too mature. Thanks for your info. it brings in a lot of insight.


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Re: Potency? [Re: Rxman]
    #457846 - 11/14/01 09:18 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Keep in mind that you probably ate around a gram of dry material. That's not all that much. Not to doubt you, but I think the problem was probably that you didn't eat enough. It's pretty rare that one mushroom is big enough to give a strong trip. Try it again with three or four grams of dry shrooms, then see how you feel. I do think that he should start picking them earlier, a dry gram of material from a young mushroom is more potent than a gram of material from a mature mushroom. Good luck.


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Re: Potency? [Re: NeonBlack]
    #457862 - 11/14/01 09:57 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

I think so too! I ate about three of mine about an inch long a piece and had a six hour trip but mine were picked early and my brother's was still a little wet too.
Awesome advice !


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Re: Potency? [Re: NeonBlack]
    #457902 - 11/14/01 11:14 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

To NeonBlack:

"Try it again with three or four grams of dry shrooms"

Wow, I get lost for 6 hours in my bed if I eat 2 g. If I would eat 4 g, then who knows into what cosmic slime I would get converted...

I know some people that have good visuals eating 1g dry material, including me, but I also know some that need 3 or 4 grams. The 1 g persons being much more often, the ratio being like 4:1.


To Rxman:

If you ate four 1 inch specimens and had "a six hour trip", I would not eat 3 g or 4 g dry the next time. Did you eat something before taking the 4 inch specimen? Eating makes a lot of difference, the span being like not tripping to having a 6 hours trip. You should at least not eat 2 hours before showtime. The longer you haven't eaten, the better.

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Re: Potency? [Re: Elektrolurch]
    #458535 - 11/14/01 09:31 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

No I make sure I eat nothing an hour before and chew them well with a full glass of warm water:)


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Re: Potency? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #458810 - 11/15/01 01:36 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

I read a post by ryche that encouraged growers to pick after the veil has torn away for a few hours but bufore too many spores drop.


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Re: Potency? [Re: Rxman]
    #458834 - 11/15/01 01:51 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Again, there is absolutely no evidence that shrooms lose potency after maturity. There isn't even any credible evidence that the alkaloid production ever slows down. In fact, often if you just leave a shroom to grow, once it gets old and starts to die off, it starts staining blue, or green.

There is much potency variation between different varietys, of P. Cubensis, and also variation between different strains of the same variety. The only way you can even come close to an a good comparison of mature and immature shroom potency, is to clone a good mushroom, and grow pans in the same exact environment, except one grows old, the other doesnt, then bio-assay. I can assure you, that no one would be able to tell the difference.

Now, one four inch shroom, isn't much at all to trip off of. Thats not even close to 1 gram dried, and most people I have witnessed, need more than that to even get off the ground. Try eating 2-3 cracker dry grams of his, and the same of yours 2-3 weeks later (alotting for tolerance to decrease)


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Re: Potency? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #460163 - 11/16/01 07:31 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

So basically a mushroom is going to produce the same amoount of goodies no matter what size? So, some may not have as much, kind of a luck of the draw sometimes?


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Re: Potency? [Re: Rxman]
    #460172 - 11/16/01 07:56 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Yes and no.

Mushrooms are ~90% water, and "growth" after a certain point (somewhere around the time the cap opens) is almost entirely through the addition of water. (This is where the smaller is better idea arises.) So any meaningful measure of potency should be done on dried specimens.

In general, potency is a factor of substrate nutrition, and from any given substrate, the potency from one mushroom to the next should be comparable. It is known that the relative amounts of psilocybin and psilocin change from one flush to the next, presumably because the early flushes exhaust the available phosphate reserves. (This shouldn't affect potency, but it might mean mushrooms from later flushes wouldn't store as long.)

Assuming you have a strain known to produce potent/effective mushrooms, if you give it a good food source (rye, for example) you should get useable specimens.

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Re: Potency? [Re: Rxman]
    #460286 - 11/16/01 11:09 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

1. Basically
2. More of a luck of genetics, but certain spore races tend to have a higher occurance of potent strains. Like Ecuador, or puerto rican.


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Re: Potency? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #461154 - 11/16/01 03:58 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Great information and I will pass that along to my brother! We both grew the same species. Fantastic knowledge exists on the board. Thank you for your time!

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