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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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iambobby said:
OUchies, and it takes one to know one.



Well, we're all one anyway--if we can just realize it. And I'm betting our ancestors knew it from the fungus they ate and they chose that infinity over the ants on the grass at their feet. So why argue over something so trivial?


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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
the pub mods are a cancer on our society as a whole.
pantsboy said:
Do kittens contain mescaline?  Because they should.

My GF & ME :heart:

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Bobo]
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I aint arguing, I'm partying. I apoligise man - I know I made a narsisistic comment but thats just what I do in good company for fun.

"It takes one to know one" is some of the deepest philosophical discussion to take place here. I think you can only identify with symbols that you understand. Being able to name them in the kind of knowing statement that Bobo made means he is able to relate to it. Man, I'm not gonna cut you down if you write a post with your ideas that make you look like a champion. I'll look for the champion in you. That was one quality roasting and I felt it. I love a good roasting hehehe


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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"We have a connection, you and I" ~ Agent Smith
Possibly my favourite part in the movie.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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What do you mean by agency?


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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I'm not trying to belittle you in any way. I was arguing with the ideas expressed.

And "agency" means volition. An inanimate, non-sentient--okay, Stamets may questiont that--organsim can't affect your mind/body down to a cellular level with any volitional, coherent approach, and "teach" you something if it has no mind. You can learn through experience that is subjective, and if the experience is influenced by a non-sentient factor/addition, that's fine. But that's like caffeine or sugar.


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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
the pub mods are a cancer on our society as a whole.
pantsboy said:
Do kittens contain mescaline?  Because they should.

My GF & ME :heart:

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Bobo]
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I more align with Terrence's idea of them being like an alien that are coming in to have a human experience. I may have twisted what he said though its been a while since I've listened to his stuff.

I think just like us, they desire to go into new frontiers and want to learn about us, as we desire to learn about them. I feel like they possibly learn from us and then send the teachings back to the mothership (their collective consciousness) and pass it back down. A sort of symbiotic teaching relationship. We learn a little bit from them while they a little bit from us.

I know this probably contradicts what I originally posted but I can't let myself become to attached to an idea because it can change as quickly as it comes in. I really liked the way gettingjiggywithin explained it in another forum and it helped me understand myself in a way I hadn't thought before. It was something like shifting between the polarities of belief/surrender and proof/control and that as we move between these 2 ends of the same force we naturally contradict ourself. Brilliant!

I think the shrooms basically have no agenda built into them except to offer what they have learned from us already throughout their interactions with us through the ages passed. So now I am inclined to say that they can lean in favour of spiritual and philosophical breakthroughs because of this gathering and sharing of information.
If you want to goto a new place you haven't gone before, the shroom collective sends an instant beam of the memory of how to unlock those doors and therefor makes evolution easier. No proof of this to offer, but I've felt frequencies sort of like a vibrational currents that I haven't felt before while on them.

When some friends and I sat in a circle one said "hey can you feel that vibration?" almost immediately, we all knew exactly what he was talking about however we could all admit that we couldn't feel it until he said it. We then sat for a few minutes just feeling it in silence. Then like zip, without anyone saying anything else we all started looking at each other in amazement as we felt the vibration jump up a notch and intensify. Could be the shrooms just coming on but it definately was a real sense of unity and shifting up the frequencies in the same moment. The thing is, we were all semi-disbelievers of connected minds and collective experience and yet we all walked away that night knowing we had been taught something about how we evolve as a group. We experienced critical mass within our group and being taught things we were not fully aware of.

Maybe the mushrooms had learned about these frequencies from other humans in the past who had shared this feeling and state of unity... Maybe mushrooms have nailed it all and we're learning everything from them... Maybe they're learning equally as much as us... And maybe its just darwin theory or just another accident in paradise. When I ask myself which one I choose to believe in I go for the one that feels more exciting and that is mushrooms are alien friends who talk in mushroom forums in hyperspace just like we do and look forward to their next human experience.

I wonder if different types of mushroom consciousness argue with each other or whether they are more accepting then we are? As in, I wonder if cyans archetype consciousness tries to prove the cubensis is airy fairy for being less willing to explore the areas it has developed its strengths in...


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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Moses said something along the lines of shrooms don't give you spiritual power but they will test it within you. Of course, the way its written in the bible is written in old speak and he may just be talking about random bits of round bread with a sort of blue jam that reveals itself when you touch it, laying in the dew filled grass. But I have come to think that the mushrooms won't try and force anything upon you but they will reveal the blockages inside of you that stand in the way of a full unity between one another. Sort of like beings coming inside and saying "hey we found this wall within you that is blocking you from knowing god".

They won't push the doorway open unless you decide to open it yourself.

I have further solidified this belief in my time at shroomery.org. I have found that it is not a given that people who have induced mushrooms are fully open minded beings. The mushrooms only go as far as we allow them. This is cool. They are safe. I think I act like a shroom. It seems I bring up alot of resistance in people just by offering my view of things. I'm not here to overwhelm or be of threat, just to offer another perspective.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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Mushrooms contain an active ingredient which has some interesting effects on the brain, but more than that I doubt. You entire viewpoint seems to be bundle of faith with no evidence.

Though you could argue empirical evidence is evidence. Then again, so could a schizophrenic seeing UFOs. If empirical evidence cannot be given to others in an experience, then the evidence isn't usually reliable enough to base an entire mindset around.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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Whats emperical evidence?

The evidence I use that sways is the power I naturally resonate through the words I speak and my responses to what happens. This is all I need to communicate my perspective and blossom the flowers I give birth to in another person.

I have based an entire mindset around it and I'm doing fine. I'm tripping balls 99% of the time while running a business with very solidly grounded people in the everyday world. It works for me and I feel successful. I don't try to avoid evidence and tangible laws. My ways afford me the luxury to sit here and think cool shit alot and I am enjoying the journey.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
Just because a field of physics can't be directly tested yet it doesn't mean it's philosophy.

M-Theory is more than philosophy because it has actual science behind it. It has complex mathematics to explain the concepts within it, and it is strictly bound by the puzzle which is around the blank piece it's trying to fit in. The Tao has none of these aspects.


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Here's something on this from another forum.

posted August 15, 2005 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Phalanx:
Seems to me that most if it is jerking off for no good reason other than to satisfy some deeply seated insecurity.
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You want a good reason? As if there were such a thing...
I'll tell you, there are two philosophies that have helped me immensely in battling depression and anxiety, namely Taoism and Vedanta. That's reason enough.

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Most discipline is hidden discipline, designed not to liberate but to limit. Do not ask Why? Be cautious with How? Why? leads inexorably to paradox. How? traps you in a universe of cause and effect. Both deny the infinite.
- Frank Herbert


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Sepp
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posted August 15, 2005 02:42 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by Phalanx:
Seems to me that most if it is jerking off for no good reason other than to satisfy some deeply seated insecurity.
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Whilst philosophy has not produced any answers worth to mention it has indeed provided us with the art of asking correct questions and formal logic.
And though formal logic is not suitable to answer the metaphysical questions raised by philosophy it is a worthy tool in designing algorithms for example. I suppose that this is fruitful for both sides - computers provide us with random number generators which are IMHO useful in answering those metaphysical questions......
methinks



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We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality. - Einstein


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Posts: 960 | From: Eutropika | Registered: Jan 2005 | IP: Private

heraclitus
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posted August 15, 2005 03:44 PM
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hmm.. let's try to think of some of philosophy's sucessful projects.. well, MATH and SCIENCE come to mind.. those turned out to be pretty fuckin useful.
Philosophy is theory, so when it becomes useful, it stops being philosophy and becomes something else.



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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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I just want to add I'm tripping balls naturally. Coffee and the occasional smoke absolutely flaws me.. I'm very sensitive to drugs/psychedelics because I'm a sensitive guy. Please don't try to hurt me. I've done shrooms probably about 9 times but each experience has meant alot to me. I've done LSD twice. One was heaven the other a nightmare but with hindsight the nightmare was incredible. I've done DMT 3 times and am picking up a batch tonight from a good friend. I haven't done DMT in a year and it showed me worlds I didn't believe in.

When you begin to see things you don't believe in enough times as I have, you start to let go of the desire to prove things. If you've ever found yourself in a reality with your eyes wide open and nothing is the same as you thought it do be - its very hard to resist the idea that theres more going on than you can explain with linear time / thought. When this happens, the need for evidence drops away as quickly as the doubt and fear comes up when you are presented with the completely undescribable.

I've been reality surfing my friend and it is very fun indeed. Wave after wave of new realities overwhelming your senses and perceptions. And as quickly as you try and struggle to understand where the fuck you are in the universe it wipes away and you're somewhere else totally undescribable. Unlike sleeping/dreaming, where you are able to believe it is real, creating past memories that supports the momentary experience you are having, this is nothing like that. You know you are in places you haven't been before, thought of before or seen in books. The search is over to explain everything as you realise the futility in trying to attain and understand the infinity and you allow your mind to finally rest as you surrender into the knowing that there is truly something miraculous and undescribable on your side. You now feel safe.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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When I say nothing is the same as you thought it to be I mean something like this. Look around your current surroundings and take an inventory of all the variables you can see. Now imagine them all shifting into something else. Instead of the walls being wood they are now brick. Instead of the plant being bamboo, its now an apple tree. This is an easy and conceivable switch taking place. Now imagine them turning into variables you don't even understand or can't even describe. I'm not saying like you can see through them - I'm saying they turn into something you can't even begin to describe after you've come down because its not even something you recognise with the symbols you have learnt to identify with. Words. Values. None of it applies. Its beyond your cognition and this is why so many people walk away from mind blowing DMT trips basically unable to even remember what the hell happened.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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I'm a sensitive guy. Please don't try to hurt me.


Bobby! Chill pill, please. No one wants to hurt anyone here.(usually) :grin: No ones words can hurt you unless you choose to feel hurt. You will need some thick skin to be on these forums. But, as Swami says, keep you soft chewy center. :grin:

Now. Lay off the coffee and any speed type drugs.:whoa: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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Thanks for all your responses and fascinating discussion folks.

Oh, and Fireworks God, thanks for playing... finally. :wink:

If you ever become a Mod, I'm hazing your ass in the Moderator Forum!


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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HAHAHAH icelander, if only you could see my cheeky grin when I wrote that  :rofl2:

Today, i made a breakthrough, my girlfriend wanted coffee and I said she's gonna need to do it alone. I'm pretty sure if the agents got a hold of me when I was younger they would have told me I had A.D.D or something and put me on the speed to numb me down. Oh well. Thankyou S&P for creative outlet.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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Philosophy is theory, so when it becomes useful, it stops being philosophy and becomes something else.


That's an interesting theory. Sounds like rise of protoscience like alchemy and astrology into real modern scientific fields like chemistry and astronomy.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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Yeah Ravus, thats what caught my eye too.  :thumbup: You should really check out the Lycaeum. They are real science heads and way beyond me in dicussions of math and science ( not hard to do :tongue:) You would find many fun discussions and they would love you.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: iambobby]
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iambobby said:
HAHAHAH icelander, if only you could see my cheeky grin when I wrote that  :rofl2:

Today, i made a breakthrough, my girlfriend wanted coffee and I said she's gonna need to do it alone. I'm pretty sure if the agents got a hold of me when I was younger they would have told me I had A.D.D or something and put me on the speed to numb me down. Oh well. Thankyou S&P for creative outlet.


why, u not do caffeine??

im lost now, then again im on some kickass pain killers


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
Just because a field of physics can't be directly tested yet it doesn't mean it's philosophy.

M-Theory is more than philosophy because it has actual science behind it. It has complex mathematics to explain the concepts within it, and it is strictly bound by the puzzle which is around the blank piece it's trying to fit in. The Tao has none of these aspects.


If it can't be tested, it ain't a theory.

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Philosophy is theory, so when it becomes useful, it stops being philosophy and becomes something else.


Most analytic philosophy is rationale and logic. Theories cannot be built off of rationale and logic alone.

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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rofl at your avatar SerioOria...

If I have a coffee in the morning, while the rest of the world is trying to goto sleep that night, I'm still racing away blah blah blahblah... Come 3:30am and I'm looking at the back of my eyelids. I can calm my thoughts down but I'm still left with this feeling of pure alertness. I wake up and even though I only managed to capture an hour of sleep, imediately its blah blah blah this thought that thought. I guess i've just come to appreciate the calmness of a relaxed nervous system more than being in that flight or fight mode. I feel more influencial in the world when I am calm. I feel I can be tipped off axis when I have caffeine pumping through my veins.

I'm starting to see it as a sort of backwards economy. There's a high and in that time when you're up it feels great and the ideas are pumping and the code is ledgendary and whatever else happens to me thats good while on it, but when the shakes kick in and my sense of hunger begins to be distorted (e.g at dinner time after eating just a friand or something at a cafe for lunch with the coffee, i'm still not hungry), I start to question it..

Its interesting when I goto meetings and I haven't had coffee and I feel naturally healthy and vibrant. To look at the client who has just had a coffee and he seems quite unstable and jittery. In a way, I feel like I get a lot of work this way because chaos is naturally attracted to the calm. Besides all the specifics of what I offer I feel it is the under current vibration that is more influencial then the details. I think this also applies to philosophies. Why do so many 'false' gurus manage to attract a following? Cause people enter their lives at a time when they are uncertain, meanwhile the guru is basically resonating a vibration that is very chilled out and desirable. They probably don't even listen to what he/she's saying alot of the time, he/she just feels so good to them and so they override normal filters of belief and what do you know - these miracles happen.


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Edited by iambobby (08/18/05 08:33 PM)

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