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Veritas

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Using a cat to predict the weather
#4495915 - 08/04/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Main Entry: spir?i?tu?al?i?ty 1 : something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such 2 : CLERGY 3 : sensitivity or attachment to religious values 4 : the quality or state of being spiritual
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Main Entry: phi?los?o?phy 1 a (1) : all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts (2) : the sciences and liberal arts exclusive of medicine, law, and theology <a doctor of philosophy> (3) : the 4-year college course of a major seminary b (1) archaic : PHYSICAL SCIENCE (2) : ETHICS c : a discipline comprising as its core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology 2 a : pursuit of wisdom b : a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means c : an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs
Why is it relevant in any way that spiritual/philosophical concepts cannot be scientifically observed, tested, proven/disproven?
Saying that science can measure the validity of spiritual ideas is like saying you can predict the weather by sending your cat outside, then observing his reactions. Meowing? 30% chance of precipitation! Runs back inside? Issue a hurricane warning! Perhaps there will be a correlation, but not a definitive conclusion.
I appreciate all the ways science CAN test, measure, evaluate, and improve our lives. I am fascinated by neuroscience and Quantum Mechanics, among other branches of science. This appreciation does not extend to believing that science is an all-purpose tool.
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
#4495923 - 08/04/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Meow..... 
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30% chance of precipitation!
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
#4495943 - 08/04/05 04:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
#4495944 - 08/04/05 04:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cats are highly sensitive to pressure changes. Therefore certain feline behaviors are indicative of weather patterns.
I doubt you could "use" a cat to predict the weather for the week, but I know for a fact my cat acts a certain way an hour or so before a storm front approaches.
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Veritas

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Yes, I know, that's why I said there may be a correlation between the weather and the cat's behavior.
There are probably many correlations between what we can measure scientifically and the mysteries of spirituality.
My point is one cannot draw a definite conclusion from either method of measurement.
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
#4495959 - 08/04/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree.
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
#4497049 - 08/04/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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science is not the only way of knowing if it were, i wouldn't be able to get to work, taking the same path every day as i do, without hypothesis or t-test i just know my way
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: crunchytoast]
#4497212 - 08/04/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Science cannot measure or test spiritual ideas. This is why most of us who use science as our formost tester of information regard such things* as 'meaningless.'
*Things which are 'beyond the realm' of confirmation or refutation.
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crunchytoast
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seriously, when i ride the train to work, that's not science. there's no hypothesis, no peer review, no statistical tests, no experiments, i just do it.
i know the way to work, and this is non-scientific knowledge.
i love science but i actually use it in less than 1% of my daily life.
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